51st State a possibility!

Yeah, I was more or less kidding. The idea was that IF they seceded, THEN it could be the locale for a Free State Project. And the fact of the matter is that I think the whole idea of the FSP is kind of dumb to begin with. I'm a fan of casting down your bucket where you are.

How's that working for ya'? ;).

I know it's easier to stay where you are, and moving is not possible for everyone, but concentrating activists in one place is absolutely more likely to succeed in my view. Freedom loving people are generally outnumbered in this country, and I'm skeptical that staying diluted is going to work.
 
Article IV.
Section. 3.

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
 
Article IV.
Section. 3.

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The government invalidated the Constitution by largely ignoring it therefore they invalidated their authority over the people. I therefore I do not see why freedom loving people should be held to this section in particular.
 
Article IV.
Section. 3.

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

In that bold emphasis lies the possibility of a solution that is real, and real-time. In other words, in that bold emphasis lies HOPE -- on what basis could the states' respective legislatures and Congress NOT grant consent? The only one I can think of is a two-fold economic loss, less federal aid and less tax revenue.

But to withhold consent on economic grounds would imply that we are being held hostage. That won't do at all. That would be very like the Civil War.
 
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Mr. Brian Petersen et al,

Ideologically AND economically sound, Jefferson State is whatcha call a Win-Win . . . a no-brainer. If y'all can't make Jefferson State fly at THIS juncture, with respect, you've either got a Judas problem or an Effectiveness problem.

I'm a no-nonsense-non-bleeding-heart type, with a lousy bedside manner and an irrepressible knack for callin' a spade a spade. How can I help? Willing to relocate. Available June 1st.


hello and thank you for your interest; you are welcome any time.
my name is anthony Intiso, chair of law/legeslative committee for JAC.
will ge tback to you
tony


Chair of law/legislative Anthony Intiso has NOT gotten back to me. Nor has anyone else from yet another slow-as-molasses-in-January movement gotten back to me. Maybe it's 'cuz of my big mouth and bad attitude, or maybe it's 'cuz I didn't send money, or maybe it's 'cuz they're ineffectual, or maybe it's 'cuz -- like so many other of the Political Elite -- they don't intend or want to actually succeed.

Makes no nevermind to me . . . NEXT! I suddenly realize I have zero interest in a project that has been simmering since World War II and even NOW, when their case is strongest and the federal/state governments are overwhelmed, its quote-unquote leaders STILL can't get their shit together.

Here's what I HAVE learned about Humboldt County. There are an unusual number of seemingly able-bodied men collecting Disability and/or Social Security . . . including a Hare-K'rnsa!-Holy-Roller whose aversion to meat eating is so extreme that he is unable to stomach working with carnivores.

Don't pardon the pun, CELEBRATE the pun -- this is Theater of the Absurd.
 
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Article IV.
Section. 3.

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

West Virginia seceded from Virginia... Another data point in the legacy of UnConstitutional tolerances of Abraham Lincoln.
 
I have family roots in Humboldt and Del Norte...

Chair of law/legislative Anthony Intiso has NOT gotten back to me. Nor has anyone else from yet another slow-as-molasses-in-January movement gotten back to me. Maybe it's 'cuz of my big mouth and bad attitude, or maybe it's 'cuz I didn't send money, or maybe it's 'cuz they're ineffectual, or maybe it's 'cuz -- like so many other of the Political Elite -- they don't intend or want to actually succeed.

Makes no nevermind to me . . . NEXT! I suddenly realize I have zero interest in a project that has been simmering since World War II and even NOW, when their case is strongest and the federal/state governments are overwhelmed, its quote-unquote leaders STILL can't get their shit together.

Here's what I HAVE learned about Humboldt County. There are an unusual number of seemingly able-bodied men collecting Disability and/or Social Security . . ..


The State of Jefferson is a State of Mind, and I can come or go there any time I please.
 
For those who are looking to put DOWN roots . . .

The State of Jefferson is a State of Mind, and I can come or go there any time I please.


I appreciate the concept, I do. PEACE is also a state of mind which can be visited upon pleasure or leisure. Trouble is, who has any pleasure or leisure?

The Truth is that a sovereign Jefferson State has been been under serious to blase consideration since BEFORE WORLD WAR II.

No time like the present to get real about stuff that has hovered on a To Do list for more than half a century. It's like I said to whoever didn't get back to me, it stands to Reason that there is an Effectiveness problem or a Judas problem.

Or Commitment Issues. It can't have escaped your notice that a lotta people only TALK about Change. It is politically correct to talk about Change. Talk is cheap. In the spirit of being careful what one wishes for, I think a lotta people don't WANT Change to be effectuated. Rather, they want it known that they were among those who did not resist the Change that was not forthcoming.
 
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All talk and no action!

Cheapseats,

I understand your resentment towards those "officials" within the geographic State of Jefferson, but I want you to understand just how large an area we are dealing with.

By transcending into and out of the State of Jefferson, as though it is a tangible location, we eventually realize that it is our own specific, physical location.

When enough Liberty minded people occupy that state of mind, then that collective mindset of Jeffersonian (Paulian) individuals takes root and the State of Jefferson enlarges it's borders from within.

I currently dwell in the State of California, but wherever I go, the State of Jefferson travels with me, and that is the state in which I live.
 
Cheapseats,

I understand your resentment towards those "officials" within the geographic State of Jefferson, but I want you to understand just how large an area we are dealing with.

By transcending into and out of the State of Jefferson, as though it is a tangible location, we eventually realize that it is our own specific, physical location.

When enough Liberty minded people occupy that state of mind, then that collective mindset of Jeffersonian (Paulian) individuals takes root and the State of Jefferson enlarges it's borders from within.

I currently dwell in the State of California, but wherever I go, the State of Jefferson travels with me, and that is the state in which I live.

Via STRATIOTES does your reputation precede you. 'Nuf said, yes? I speak with respect.

I also dwell-more-like-skulk-around in the State of California. On my way BACK into California, where I have lived since 1966 -- coming from Reno, not Russia -- I was obliged to stop at a checkpoint.

It was early evening. There were other cars. It said Agricultural Inspection. The man with the uniform and the gun (also the orange vest, Safety First!) was nice enough. But I was also relaxed enough. I wouldn't have been so relaxed if I had just bought a gun at a pawn shop, I can tell you that. I wouldn't have been so relaxed if I had been carrying the marijuana that it is lawful for me to smoke in one state but not in another, though they can't pour liquor fast enough in either.

I'll have to dip into my Recovery Arsenal, and do some practice Acting As If. Don't wanna get swooped up just 'cuz I was acting like I was AFRAID of the guy who is twice my size and armed, and who will have legal backing and official cover for whatever he takes it into his head or hands to do. 'Cuz, God knows, he didn't ask me whether I was transporting any plants or foodstuffs.

He asked where I was coming from. I was so not expecting that question (see above re: Agricultural Inspection).

Whaddya mean by FROM, right?

"I'm going BACK to where I live in California after driving TO Reno."

"Have a nice night."

You bet, sleep tight.

Being Prepared, and all that it implies -- skillz, resourcefulness, strength, comrades, WEAPONS -- renders the Prepared eminently better able and, well, equipped to live in their own little worlds-within-a-world, slowly but steadily radiating out The Word. Swell. Good on you. But y'all better start inviting some people into the fort, or come out blazing, or pat yourselves on the backs for your own Survival while the Many go under. It must be owned that the Prepared DO count among their numbers some who, for different reasons, are as content as neocons to let the unwashed masses perish. But I advise Big Money and Bearing Arms alike, the world won't be half the fun they think it will be without a broad Middle Class. That's the Clydesdale Class, where the lion's share of the work gets done.

Actually, it's more of a Worker Bee class right now . . . emasculated and anemic. But it COULD be broad and strong again. We do not have to SETTLE for mediocrity, spiced up with getting around the Rules and getting past the Guards.

I can do Ohhm/Peace/Love with the best of 'em -- I LONG to return to that path. Give me a covered porch, a good man, a high-speed internet connection and a perspective-restoring view and, I dunno, I never used to think that would be enough but now it sounds like the proverbial slice of Heaven On Earth. If it's Every Man For Himself, I only need someone to give me the word.

But first I implore you and other Peaceful Warriors to consider that, libertarian and patriotic flourishes notwithstanding, you're still whistling Kum-Bay-Ya.
 
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Purchase Jefferson State!

Article IV.
Section. 3.

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

So, this occured to me. California as we know has a budget crisis. What if the people of proposed Jefferson State and donations from abroad bought the area from California? If the legislators agree and we come up with a down payment could we in effect purchase our Free State? Would this be possible? Has it been tried?
 
Jefferson State! compiling Northern California and Southern Oregon could secede and become our 51st state! They breifly did so just prior to WW2 but the war stopped the effort. Now it's gaining stem again.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/05/MNNP138DLP.DTL

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/jeffersonnews.html

Seeking signatures
The Grange Hall of Yreka, a farm-based service organization, is activating 51 of its brethren halls in the area to collect 1 million signatures to have a statehood advisory measure put on the California ballot. Tony Intiso, a runoff candidate in the Nov. 4 election for Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors, has pledged to force the issue and is running campaign ads calling for regional freedom. The number of registered users of a decade-old Web site advocating partition has suddenly shot from dozens to more than 900.

"Heck yeah, it's a darn good idea," said Richard Mitchell, manager of the Cooley & Pollard Hardware Store on Miner Street, the main drag in the blink-and-you-miss-it town of Yreka. "Those liberal people down south don't understand us at all, and if there was a vote today to form a new state, it would pass in a heartbeat.

"I would bet on it."

The window of Mitchell's store, where he tends the register in worn work boots and a camouflage hunting cap, displays T-shirts and flags sporting the state "seal" of Jefferson: Two X's denoting the double-crossing the area supposedly gets from the capitols of California and Oregon.




:D

I must see what I can do to help.

Great! Just what we need, a state that bases it's economy on government run prisons.
 
Great! Just what we need, a state that bases it's economy on government run prisons.

To think they tried to recruit me to work here:

http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/VISITORS/Facilities/PBSP.html

Pelican Bay State Prison (PBSP) is designed to house California’s most serious criminal offenders in a secure, safe, and disciplined institutional setting. One half of the prison houses maximum security inmates in a general population setting. The other half houses inmates in the Security Housing Unit (SHU) designed for inmates presenting serious management concerns. The SHU is a modern design for inmates who are difficult management cases, prison gang members, and violent maximum security inmates.

Perhaps other options would emerge once they became disengaged with Sacramento & Salem. Then again Australia started out like this?
 
The more i think about this I keep coming to the same problem. If Jefferson were to happen, its sad to say, but it would be all politics. The only way I can see Jefferson coming to be Is if a third state was created to counter the addition of a "red" state.

So you would have Cali, the new republican controlled state and its senators, and possibly somewere else would have to be gerrymandered as a Democratic stronghold to get the D's on board to make a new state happen since i am guessing Cali and congress both have to vote to approve the new state.
 
The more i think about this I keep coming to the same problem. If Jefferson were to happen, its sad to say, but it would be all politics.

I was as sorry to learn it as I am to say it, but LIFE is politics.

Fight fire with fire . . . politics, it is.

Only let's get the job done. This has been on a burner SINCE WORLD WAR II.

There's no time to seize the moment like 60-some years after the fact.
 
**UPDATE**

http://news.yahoo.com/51st-state-small-step-forward-long-shot-south-233234624.html

.An effort to turn 13 southern California counties into the nation's 51st state took a small step forward Tuesday but remains an extremely long shot, say experts.

Four members of the Riverside County Board of Supervisors agreed Tuesday to allow a fifth member to convene a statewide meeting on the subject in the fall. Each of the four supervisors stated their objections to the secession idea, but went ahead and approved the idea of at least talking about it when Supervisor Jeff Stone said he would “personally see to it” that private funding, not public money, would be used to hold the meeting.
 
I'll have to find out more about this statewide meeting.

Stone's South California would not include Los Angeles. In addition to Riverside County, the counties targeted for secession would be Fresno, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Madera, Mariposa, Mono, Orange, San Bernardino, San Diego, and Tulare, which include about 13 million people total.
 
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California Rebellion 2012! A push to see a new California.

http://www.californiarebellion2012.com/

Welcome To California Rebellion 2012!


California Rebellion 2012

Official Page of The 51st State


Preamble

Local governments have been besieged by our dysfunctional State Legislature over the past decade robbing us of our traditional tax revenue streams to provide for state and federally mandated services and discretionary expenditures for public safety, not limited to but including the District Attorney, Sheriff, Probation, Public Defender, etc. After local governments have been cut to the bone, the State Legislature again passed a local government grab in their 2011-12 quasi balanced budget with the same old gimmicky and overstated revenue predictions that will not materialize. I have come to the conclusion that the State of California is too big to govern, that the political priorities of Southern California and Northern California are completely different.
 
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