51st State a possibility!

[Sarge]

Would this mean Nancy Pelosi would no longer be eligible for most CA voters and we could get rid of her?

I know, in my dreams. Man, why did I have to say that. I never want her in one of my dreams.

 

[NMCB3]

When I got shoved into political awareness a few years back, I contended that the American People are not as stupid as politicians and executives think. That may be, but they are also far more ignorant than I imagined.

Secession is essentially negative, conceptually. EMOTIONALLY. When you ponder that the quote-unquote Credit Crisis is really and has always been a CONFIDENCE Crisis, when you ponder the housing bubble, when you ponder our invasion of Iraq, it becomes impossible to disregard the EMOTIONAL psycho-babble factor.

Secede, pull out, break up . . . boo hoo, not THAAAAT.

A 51st state is ADDITION. America is all about MORE. It speaks to optimism and a fresh start.

Jefferson State does NOT have to line up to beg for federal crumbs.

Jefferson State can be in the vanguard of WE'LL DO IT OURSELVES, the hallmark of American ingenuity and stick-to-it-ive-ness.

Its about as optimistic and fresh as forming your own state and joining the USSR, all the while actually thinking your going to effect some kind of change in the central government. Why would anyone in their right mind even contemplate it? Good luck anyways, but I prefer to work on the socialist hell hole I currently live in rather than create a new one with seats in the house and senate that will ultimately be used to oppress the other states in the union as is the American way.

 

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**CALL TO ACTION**

For those in Northern California and Southern Oregon!

PRE-CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION SLATED!

When will you have a chance to be a part of history like this? Wish I lived in one of the counties proposed to become our 51st State.

Jefferson Action Committee (JAC)

“Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has happened once in 6,000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world.”~Daniel Webster

Call to Action: Pre-Constitutional Convention Slated

Date: April 18, 2009

Time: 10:00 AM

Place: Yreka, CA

The Jefferson Action Committee is seeking qualified individuals to represent their respective county as a delegate for the possible inclusion in the proposed state of Jefferson.

Those to be considered as delegates are requested to submit a letter of intent (via email OK) to become a delegate and to list their qualifications for such a project.

Participants will be required to make a commitment of time and resources to the project to see it to its fruition so dedicated and committed persons need only reply.

Those counties considered will be those included in the proposed map, with the possibility of some adjoining into eastern Oregon and northwest Nevada.

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/action.html

Mr. Brian Petersen et al,

Ideologically AND economically sound, Jefferson State is whatcha call a Win-Win . . . a no-brainer. If y'all can't make Jefferson State fly at THIS juncture, with respect, you've either got a Judas problem or an Effectiveness problem.

I'm a no-nonsense-non-bleeding-heart type, with a lousy bedside manner and an irrepressible knack for callin' a spade a spade. How can I help? Willing to relocate. Available June 1st.

 

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Mr. Brian Petersen et al,

Ideologically AND economically sound, Jefferson State is whatcha call a Win-Win . . . a no-brainer. If y'all can't make Jefferson State fly at THIS juncture, with respect, you've either got a Judas problem or an Effectiveness problem.

I'm a no-nonsense-non-bleeding-heart type, with a lousy bedside manner and an irrepressible knack for callin' a spade a spade. How can I help? Willing to relocate. Available June 1st.

hello and thank you for your interest; you are welcome any time.
my name is anthony Intiso, chair of law/legeslative committee for JAC.
will ge tback to you
tony

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Mr. Brian Petersen et al,

Ideologically AND economically sound, Jefferson State is whatcha call a Win-Win . . . a no-brainer. If y'all can't make Jefferson State fly at THIS juncture, with respect, you've either got a Judas problem or an Effectiveness problem.

I'm a no-nonsense-non-bleeding-heart type, with a lousy bedside manner and an irrepressible knack for callin' a spade a spade. How can I help? Willing to relocate. Available June 1st.

BRAVO!

I'm sending what little $$$ I can spare in hopes this happens.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

(sigh)...will have to wait

Pre-Convention postponed
The JAC Pre-Constitutional Convention meeting has been postponed until further notice in light of new information pertaining to the process of secession. These new findings will enable the JAC and others to proceed in a more efficient manner. This also gives the committee more time to organize our alliances.

Until further notice, we are on the job and will share information as we progress.

BP

 

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Pre-Convention postponed
The JAC Pre-Constitutional Convention meeting has been postponed until further notice in light of new information pertaining to the process of secession. These new findings will enable the JAC and others to proceed in a more efficient manner. This also gives the committee more time to organize our alliances.

Until further notice, we are on the job and will share information as we progress.

BP

NOT a frowning emoticon. Good. I'da been pissed like hell if I had driven to that, only to discover they didn't have their shit together.

Anthony Intiso's email said he'd be in touch, so I figger all I have to do is give him an opportunity to be a man of his word. I mean, if the chair of their legislative/law committee is inept or insincere . . . fuck it, am I right? There are more Causes than I keep track of. Between you, me and the lamp post, I think Specialization of Causes is a technique for perpetuating big-picture bullshit. But mum's the word on that -- we're pretendin' we're turnin' over a new leaf.

 

[Meatwasp]

Pre-Convention postponed
The JAC Pre-Constitutional Convention meeting has been postponed until further notice in light of new information pertaining to the process of secession. These new findings will enable the JAC and others to proceed in a more efficient manner. This also gives the committee more time to organize our alliances.

Until further notice, we are on the job and will share information as we progress.

BP

Thanks Paul

 

[thasre]

Hmm... new Free State Project? The NH thing kind of sucks.

Also, which potential flag does everyone prefer?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_51-star_alternate_flag.svg
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_51_Star_possible_Flag.svg


EDIT: Sorry, I messed up the links. I hope I've fixed them...

 

[Alawn]

Hmm... new Free State Project? The NH thing kind of sucks.

Also, which potential flag does everyone prefer?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_51-star_alternate_flag.svg
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_51_Star_possible_Flag.svg


EDIT: Sorry, I messed up the links. I hope I've fixed them...

You think taking over NH is hard so you want to try taking over California, the most populated and the the most socialist state, and somehow get the states and the federal government to ok splitting off into another state? Sounds like this is going to be one hard thing to do. It would be great if possible. But it probably will be about 1000 or more times harder than just taking over NH.

 

[JdotRdot]

You think taking over NH is hard so you want to try taking over California, the most populated and the the most socialist state, and somehow get the states and the federal government to ok splitting off into another state? Sounds like this is going to be one hard thing to do. It would be great if possible. But it probably will be about 1000 or more times harder than just taking over NH.

NH could have been done with already...but the hydra that is humanity rears it's ugly head once more, people started bitching about which state was chosen & soon after the numbers split
nothing will ever be done like this, you are either united in the effort or not

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Tax Deductable Donations!

Thank-you for considering the Jefferson Action Committee for a donation.

You can make out tax deductible donations to:

Greenhorn Grange /JAC
PO Box 982
Yreka, CA 96097

 

[DamianTV]

I wish I could succeed at seceding as an individual citizen, and remain in place geographically.

I'd like to hear about Jefferson's successful secession in the future.

Believe it or not you can! All you need to do is to call bullshit on your assigned social security number, as it was assigned to you, most likely before you could legally concent to a contract.

Bear in mind tho, that without a Social(ist) Security # you cant get a drivers license (which you dont need to travel, not drive, drive is something US citizens do when operating their "vehicles" not "automobiles" for business purposes, such as taxi, or faring), or a job that requires you to be a US citizen as you will then be a State Citizen, with Constitutionally guaranteed rights, not civil liberties.

Oh, and the cops will never let you off the hook on anything and will continue to razz you with their stupidity until you die. And dont worry, if you ever have to go to court, you will have the Constitutionally guaranteed Right to a trial by your peers, which will probably be the stupidest morons the government can find to act as your jurors and not know the difference between the Bill of Rights and a piece of toilet paper which they can barely use since they cant find their own assholes with a map, a flashlight, and a fucking tour guide. In other words if you ever do have to go to court on these principles, expect to be found Guilty thru evidence of sheer stupidity of the sheep they put in place of your "peers". Pretty much the same way tax law works. Intimidation thru stupidity.

Basically, it is possible to revoke your status, but its not worth the effort as no one has half a clue any more as to what any of it means.

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Edit:

And for the record, Yreka county can still suck my left nut and damn well better not make the right one jealous!

They already snaked money from me and they will be lucky if I ever drop one fucking red cent into that entire township again for as long as I live. Crooked cops, crooked courts, crooked government. They dont deserve the priviledge of having me drive thru their town again.

 

[thasre]

You think taking over NH is hard so you want to try taking over California, the most populated and the the most socialist state, and somehow get the states and the federal government to ok splitting off into another state? Sounds like this is going to be one hard thing to do. It would be great if possible. But it probably will be about 1000 or more times harder than just taking over NH.

Yeah, I was more or less kidding. The idea was that IF they seceded, THEN it could be the locale for a Free State Project. And the fact of the matter is that I think the whole idea of the FSP is kind of dumb to begin with. I'm a fan of casting down your bucket where you are.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

**Four State Split!**

Wow found this article. Seems they are floating the idea of creating four new states!

http://www.businessinsider.com/desperate-california-could-split-into-4-states-2009-5

The clock is ticking on California, which must slash its way out of a $21 billion deficit in order to stave off default (that is, if Uncle Sam doesn't extend the state a TARP bailout before then).

While the problem is serious, the state's uber-democratic system is broken beyond repair. It's truly a failed state, in the classic political science sense of the term. If it were its own country, the US would be consulting with the UN and NATO about establishing a presence and supervising elections

Secession cometh me hopes.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

and this...

http://www.breakingviews.com/2009/05/21/California break-up.aspx

 

[pahs1994]

If this ever happens I would love to live there.

The only problem i see is that they will escape the tyranny of Cali and Oregon but still stay in the union under the heavy hand of the federal govt?

I guess the upside to that can be that with the right people running the state of Jefferson they can be a shining example of states rights over the fed govt. by fighing them on everything.

 

[klamath]

Unfortunately the feds own most of the land in the area and pretty much control everything in this part of the state.

 

[BeFranklin]

Unfortunately the feds own most of the land in the area and pretty much control everything in this part of the state.

Get the feds to turn it over as indian land, not part of a state, and then turn the indian land into a state.

 

[Gideon]

Movin' to the State of Jefferson...

Unfortunately the feds own most of the land in the area and pretty much control everything in this part of the state.

The feds own nothing.

They control the bountiful lands of America through a system of impoverishment and prison, from the barrel of a gun.

California may be a lost cause, but the State of Jefferson is Sovereign and free of fed control.

Long Live the State of Jefferson!