45 years in jail time for voluntary bartering!

They sure do a good job of making it sound like barter is illegal, but both court cases (as I understand it) have nothing to do with barter and everything to do with privately minted coins that have the word 'dollar' on them. You can barter with coins that have the word 'dollar' or the word 'dime' on them, but the government mint has to have put it there.
 
i think the last straw was when they stated to put ron paul's face on the coins....

all the ron paul dollars were confiscated
 
Nice to see some Magistrate wiping his ass with The Constitution. As it stands, the only way out of this is for the Magistrate to declare that there is nothing wrong with the Liberty Dollar (as it is not a bill of credit). However, I'm thinking this judge is bought and paid for and therefore will rule expressly against The Constitution.
 
i just relocated to a new office, and i traded with my landlord.

I let him keep the desk that i left behind in exchange for free rent for my final month ...

according to Fed logic, my desk should be "illegal currency" undermining the dollar....

"liberty desks".....not the most portable of currencies....but it worked for us
 
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When groups try to replace the U.S. dollar with coins and bills that don't hold the same value, it affects the economy.
They should say "with coins and bills that don't LOSE the same value."
Congress has exclusive power to coin money in the U.S. and to regulate its value, according to the Treasury Department.
Perhaps they should raid the FED.
 
Asheville, NC man charged in Liberty Dollar "scheme"

ASHEVILLE — Federal authorities arrested an Asheville man in what they said was a scheme to undermine the U.S. currency system and defraud consumers with so-called Liberty Dollars.


William Kevin Innes marketed the “barter” currency in Western North Carolina and recruited merchants willing to accept it and give it as change for products bought with real money, according to an indictment unsealed this week.
Innes, 53, faces up to 45 years in prison if convicted. He was indicted along with Bernard von NotHaus, president of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Codes, and two other defendants from Indiana associated with the corporation.

Innes made an initial appearance before a federal magistrate judge in Asheville Wednesday and was ordered detained pending a detention hearing set for Monday before a judge in Charlotte, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

Liberty Dollars are coins made of silver or gold and are touted as inflation-proof and a way to encourage buying local goods.
“When groups seek to undermine the U.S. currency system, the government is compelled to act,” said acting U.S. Attorney Edward Ryan of the Western District of North Carolina.

“These coins are not government-produced coinage, yet purchasers were led to believe by those who made and sold them that they should be spent like U.S. Federal Reserve Notes,” Ryan said. “Such claims are in violation of federal law.”
Innes and von NotHaus are charged with uttering and passing coins resembling genuine U.S. coins and intended for use as money, mail fraud and selling and possessing Liberty Dollar coins with intent to defraud.

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OMG it's a "fraud scheme" where hapless victims were misled into trading their valuable government mandated and plated zinc coins for worthless solid gold and silver coins. The humanity.
 
We need a thousand people in front of that courthouse protesting until he is released.
 
“When groups seek to undermine the U.S. currency system, the government is compelled to act,” said acting U.S. Attorney Edward Ryan of the Western District of North Carolina.

“These coins are not government-produced coinage, yet purchasers were led to believe by those who made and sold them that they should be spent like U.S. Federal Reserve Notes,” Ryan said. “Such claims are in violation of federal law.”

Those were never sold as coin or coinage. Where does this guy get is ignorance from?

We can spend two dozen eggs like U.S. Federal Reserve Notes if we find somebody who wants to accept them. Are they going to go after people who use eggs for currency next?
 
Can someone help with a reply to this? What does it mean when the constitution says "No State shall..." Of course congress is nothing more than the representation of the states, so "No State shall..." means "No Congress shall.."? Not my original post put it should be corrected.

While I agree with what's been said about the Fed's paper mony-
"Federal Reserve Notes are un-Constitutional...
"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; --- />make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts"

Congress isn't a "State" --- you're misunderstanding and abusing the Constitution when you misquote that phrase like that.

CONGRESS allowed the Fed to print money under Congressional control when they wrote the Constitution (and signed it).
The Congress did NOT allow States to produce coinage and paper money, which was rampant at the time.
Congress did this almost 200 years ago, too -- not either of the recent Parties.

Misquoting the Constitution only assists the terrorists who would destroy the US entirely.
 
Article I Section 10 is referring to the individual States.

Article I Section 8 refers to the Federal Government.
 
OMG it's a "fraud scheme" where hapless victims were misled into trading their valuable government mandated and plated zinc coins for worthless solid gold and silver coins. The humanity.

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. :D
 
Why don't they call them "Liberty Clams" so at least the gov cannot claim they are "fake dollars."
 
Why don't they call them "Liberty Clams" so at least the gov cannot claim they are "fake dollars."

Hehe, Liberty Samollians? :D

Edit: I just noticed the comments. This person has to be clinically retarded.

CONGRESS allowed the Fed to print money under Congressional control when they wrote the Constitution (and signed it).

The Federal Reserve existed when The Constitution was written? WTF?

Misquoting the Constitution only assists the terrorists who would destroy the US entirely.

Un-fucking-believable. Misquoting The Constitution? I've heard of Federal Reserve apologists, but this takes the cake. Someone this stupid couldn't possibly be real.
 
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Well, there is the Hong Kong Dollar, Australian Dollar and the Canadian Dollar etc. The United States doesn't have a copyright on the word Dollar.
 
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