30,000 soldiers Afghan surge will be rerouted to Haiti?

Johnnybags said:
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I predicted as much yesterday. The military is in, will help, then slave labor will be used by these companies rushing in now and Corporate America will have a power grab on Haiti.
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I doubt that companies will be in any hurry to move to Haiti. The labor itself is cheap, but the Government bribes are far more expensive than those in Mexico. Haiti is also devoid of any really nice, attractive places to live (moreso after this). Mexico offers some areas that are friendly towards the corporate overseers who have to come along as part of a non-US office of operations for a company.

As for J&J, there are already locations in Puerto Rico, Miami, and Juarez. Haiti is zero value-added. Most other companies will be of a similar mind, I am guessing.
 
Zippyjuan said:
It is not a millitary intervention- it is a humanitarian effort. If your town and home were devistated by a large earthquake you would probably be grateful for the help.
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This. You can be a non-interventionist and still have a heart.
 
In before the military F's it up and most of here get to say "I told you so" to all the scarecrows with a heart and no brain.



MelissaWV said:
As I posted in another thread, the Government can "help" by giving a certain portion of its employees leave to go volunteer through one of those [private international relief] organizations. There are always problems after a crisis, with people who want to go help but can't because they wouldn't have a job to come back to. I'm sure there are certain ex-military, ex-firemen, ex-policemen, etc., who would love to go and would have valuable skills to offer. Businesses could be strongly encouraged (no force, though, for love of God) to allow certain people leave to go help. Businesses can also, obviously, make donations or match their employees' donations to the effort.
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Best solution so far.
 
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squarepusher said:
RP becoming a statist :eek:
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Actually, I agree with him, only because they are RIGHT THERE and they could actually go help pull people out of buildings before they die. It's like if you were walking down the street and somebody needed help, then you should help them because you are close, as far as proximity to the situation.

But no, we should not have a major national effort, it can be done through private organizations... and it would be a lot more effective if we weren't being taxed so damn much.
 
dannno said:
Actually, I agree with him, only because they are RIGHT THERE and they could actually go help pull people out of buildings before they die. It's like if you were walking down the street and somebody needed help, then you should help them because you are close, as far as proximity to the situation.

But no, we should not have a major national effort, it can be done through private organizations... and it would be a lot more effective if we weren't being taxed so damn much.
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but why do they need guns, grenades and armored suits to do it?

and has anyone been monitoring HAARP as of late?
 
I oppose it as a matter of principle, because I don't think anyone should be forced to help Haiti, and obviously I will not have a choice but to pay for this. However, I would much rather have our troops sent on a mission to help people than basically on a mission to attract bullets in Afghanistan. It's a step in the right direction, at least.
 
RyanRSheets said:
I oppose it as a matter of principle, because I don't think anyone should be forced to help Haiti, and obviously I will not have a choice but to pay for this. However, I would much rather have our troops sent on a mission to help people than basically on a mission to attract bullets in Afghanistan. It's a step in the right direction, at least.
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with our troops sent into Haiti busy occupying them, then whos to say we wont send more troops to Afghanistan to fulfill our original number expected there?

and I still want to know if anyone has been monitoring HAARP lately to see if it was somehow involved
 
Anybody that doesn't believe the "aid" from the US government is already tied to certain "favors" from the desperate Haitian government is nuts. There's people in the background already working out how to secure contracts for the Halliburtons and the like to help "rebuild" Haiti, and most likely on your dime, not Haiti's. There really is no such thing as government humanitarianism. It's always tied to certain favors or promises. Probably a new CIA black ops prison site or something...

The situation there is terrible but it always was. It's just worse now. There are lots of voluntary efforts already underway and Im ok with certain government assistance (loaning of heavy machinery, search and rescue teams like China sent, etc, iow renewable and temporary aid with little to no permanent price tag) but Im not in favor of just handing over millions of American taxpayer dollars to the government of Haiti (or the UN for that matter) to use as it sees fit. We know of the rampant corruption in "aid package" distribution in poor nations and for a country that's already flat broke (Haiti, not the US....but yeah we're broke too) I just don't see the benefit other than photo ops for our government officials (ahem..HRC) and the gross opportunity for the corrupted government of Haiti to take whatever it wants.

Besides, no one runs to our aid when we have disasters. Oh yeah, a big NO on sending US military troops there. They already have enough to worry about without now having to risk catching the horrible diseases that undoubtedly start spreading in the wake of mass death and non-existent sanitation practices. That pic earlier in the thread makes me shiver. I don't want my military walking through that mess and bringing it home.

George Soros could come out of his pocket and place a private security team across that whole island and not miss a single cent of the payment.
 
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Besides, no one runs to our aid when we have disasters
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Lots of countries offered us aid after Katrina. For the most part, we have the resources to deal with them so that we do not need outside aid with our crisies like this. Some of the countries named might surprise you. Haiti has basically no resources. What "favors" could they possibly offer us?

Not on this list but on the Wiki list is even Iran who offered humanitarian aid and 20 million barrels of oil (oil platforms in the Gulf were damaged and would be out of commission for a while). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9282598/
Aid offered by foreign countries and groups to help the U.S. with Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, according to the State Department:

Afghanistan: $100,000
Albania: $300,000 pledged
Armenia: $200,000 pledged
Australia: $7.6 million
Austria: tarps, camp beds
Azerbaijan: $500,000
Bahamas: $50,000 pledged
Bahrain: $5 million pledged
Bangladesh: $1 million pledged
Belgium: operations teams, generators, water pumps, nine-member logistical team to work with the Red Cross
Bosnia/Herzegovina: $6,414 pledged
Cambodia: $20,000 pledged
Canada: $5 million pledged to the hurricane relief fund headed by former Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, two Griffin helicopters, search and rescue teams, Air Canada evacuation flights, supplies, security team, three Canadian forces ships with three Sea King helicopters
China: $5.1 million, 1,000 tents, 600 generators, bed sheets
Cyprus: $50,000
Djibouti: $50,000 pledged
Equatorial Guinea: $500,000 pledged
Eupropean Commission: Civil Protection Cooperative Mechanism activated
France: 600 tents, supplies
Gabon: $500,000 pledged
Georgia: $50,000
Germany: high-speed pumps, supplies
Greece: two cruise ships
Hungary: $5,000
Iceland: $500,000 pledged to the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund
International Committee of the Red Cross: Web-based tracking system for displaced people
India: $5 million; 3,000 each of personal-hygiene kits, blankets and sheets; 150 tarps
Iraq: $1 million pledged to the Red Cross via the Red Crescent
Ireland: $1 million euro (about $1.24 million U.S.)
Italy: generators, water pumps and purifiers, tents, supplies
Japan: $200,000, $844,000 in supplies and private pledges of more than $1 million
Kenya: $100,000
Kuwait: $100 million plus an additional $400 million in oil products
Malaysia: $1 million to the Red Cross
Maldives: $25,000 to the Red Cross
Mauritania: $200,000 from the American Mauritania Business Council to the Red Cross
Mexico: 45 truckloads of supplies, transport vehicles, two field kitchens, two helicopters
Mongolia: $50,000 pledged
Morocco: $500,000 pledged
Nepal: $25,000 pledged
Netherlands: Levee inspection team to assist Army Corps of Engineers, water pumps, frigate
New Zealand: $1.4 million to the Red Cross
Nigeria: $1 million pledged
Norway: $1.54 million in cash and supplies
Oman: $15 million
Organization of American States: $25,000, created fund for donations from member states to the International Committee of the Red Cross
Pakistan: $1 million pledged to the Red Cross, supplies
Palau: $50,000 pledged plus $50,000 donor drive
Papua New Guinea: $10,000 to the Red Cross
Qatar: $100 million pledged
Republic of Korea: $30 million, supplies
Russia: air transport, generators, tents, blankets, water, water pumps, supplies
Sao Tome and Principe: $18,000 pledged
Saudi Arabia: $5 million from Aramco, $250,000 from AGFUND
Singapore: four helicopters
Spain: relief supplies
Sri Lanka: $25,000 to the Red Cross
Sweden: telecommunications equipment
Taiwan: $2 million, supplies
Thailand: blankets, supplies
United Arab Emirates: $100 million pledged
Uganda: $200,000 pledged
United Kingdom: relief supplies
Venezuela: up to $1 million to the Red Cross and state governments
Vietnam: $100,000 to victims
Yemen: $100,000 to the Red Cross
SOURCE: State Department
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Yay! A bunch of "pledges" for one single event that couldnt be ignored. Did anyone see any of this money other than the government? Sure doesn't look like it if you've been to New Orleans since. So granted there were reported offers of help after Katrina but that's just one. Way to be a uber anal contrarian that misses the point. You should make that your sig btw!

Show me the aid from the midwest floods, 9/11, San Fran earthquake, the gobs of massively destructive hurricanes along Florida, etc. Don't bother, we know it doesn't exist. But anything happens elsewhere in the world and (my) money is no object for the photo op seeking politicians.
 
What other disasters have we had which would have invited international aid? As I mention, in general, we have the resources to handle local disasters. Is it wrong to help those who do not like Haiti? Or should we just care about you? What sort of disaster aid are you in need of?
 
Zippyjuan said:
What other disasters have we had which would have invited international aid? As I mention, in general, we have the resources to handle local disasters. Is it wrong to help those who do not like Haiti? Or should we just care about you? What sort of disaster aid are you in need of?
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See above for my sig suggestion. It fits here too.

Btw, in case you missed the memo, this country is BROKE and the $100 million in aid pledged to Haiti by HRC and Obama will be borrowed or printed. The politicians do not care. We aren't supposed to be the policeman of the world but we sure can be the humanitarians of the world? Naaa....we don't need no stinkin charity from those lesser countries when we have problems. The same ones we send shit tons of "free" money to every other day of the year. Naaa....it's bad to expect any one else to give a shit about the US while taking our money hand over fist. In case you missed that point too, this is a bigger issue than just Haiti. Like I said, Im ok with stuff like rescue teams and heavy equipment, just not big checks from Ben's printing press.
 
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Would taxpayers be forced to pay for it? Why can't we just leave private charities to their mechanisms? I'm sure lots of people would be willing to pay for the efforts out of their own pockets.
 
Tax payers would still pay for it, but instead of $1 million per soldier/year Afghan reconstruction cost, in quake rescue probably would cost $10K per troop.
 
No. You think if california ever had an earthquake Haiti would be here to help us? Who is at authority to spend our money to help any foreign country? Donate if you will, but coerced resource spending in this area is a No-no.

Just because it would be better than us fighting a war does not make it constitutional.
 
werdd said:
No. You think if california ever had an earthquake Haiti would be here to help us? Who is at authority to spend our money to help any foreign country? Donate if you will, but coerced resource spending in this area is a No-no.

Just because it would be better than us fighting a war does not make it constitutional.
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That is a good question.

Based on past record of people who received aid from us from Iraqis to Afghans to Israelis, they don't tend to show up to help Americans when people here are in need.
 
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