'24' is back: more torture than ever before!

[JorgeStevenson]

Good lord this thread was depressing.

It's a TV show. You either like it, or you don't. You shouldn't be scared of it - "Oh, I can't watch that! I might start supporting torture if Jack Bauer tortures a character that I don't like!" Cmon, get real.

 

[Slutter McGee]

Except to demonize Muslims and promote torture/war

Come on...it always turned out the British were actually behind it.

Slutter McGee

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Good lord this thread was depressing.

It's a TV show. You either like it, or you don't. You shouldn't be scared of it - "Oh, I can't watch that! I might start supporting torture if Jack Bauer tortures a character that I don't like!" Cmon, get real.

Okay. Seeing that many people have now said about as much, I am going to attempt to respond clearly. The show isn't propagandizing me. I see right through that bullshit which is why I probably won't be able to watch it. It will probably annoy me as much as mainstream news in the morning. The propaganda will have effects on those who have not formed opinions on the subject or even those with weak opinions on the subject. I hear the argument of 'for the greater good' all of the time. It is the only argument they have. So spare me the 'Jack Bauer torturing people on television' doesn't have any effect. Or that some are 'scared.' (lmao)

Riddle me this, how come during these torture sessions the victim isn't giving answers to shit he doesn't even know? Or flatout lying?

"Okay, okay please, I'll tell you everything. Me and Billy planted the bombs over there."

Then Jack Bauer kills him or he's shipped to Guantanamo or whatever, and he goes where the man says the bomb is. Realistic plot twist, THE MAN HE WAS TORTURING WAS THE WRONG GUY! or he lied. The bomb blows up and kills thousands of people. The end. Hell, even a FBI plot would be great. The government informant can say he wants to use inert materials and they can insist he gives terrorists actual bombs!

Season 2 could be where Jack Bauer gets charged with civil rights violations! Or where people wake up that torture is an unreliable, cruel, method of obtaining disinformation or bullshit. No, it will be shown that the torture directly leads to pertinent information that thwarts an attack that would have killed thousands. And then I get to spend extra time dispelling that talking point.

 

[eric_cartman]

^^^ they have tortured the wrong people before. they tortured one of their own CTU agents thinking they were a mole... but the real mole planted false evidence.

i think that, if anything, they use these modern day themes and present them from a few different angles.

it's not just:

muslims = terrorists = bad

toruture = good

sometimes it's the people in the white house who are the real terrorits. sometimes they torture the wrong people.

also, jack does get held accountable by a congress or something too in one season.

i donno... not only is the show very entertaining... but they throw in all this conspiracy / new world order type of stuff as well as precondition... so i think a lot of posters were would find the show very interesting as well as entertaining.

knowing the history of Fox and preconditioning (pilot episode of lone gunmen)... i think that David Palmer was to condition people for Obama. And in the later seasons, they conditioned people for drones and body scanners. maybe my memory is a bit off... but i remember seeing these drones over New York in a season of 24 before the whole drone thing became an issue. and i also remember there being body scanners to enter CTU just before the body scanners went into the airports. maybe people would think that body scanners were cool because they saw all the people at CTU go through them.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Don't get me wrong, I've watched a few of the seasons. They were pretty entertaining. I just get annoyed easily anymore. I find myself rolling my eyes to a lot of these movies and shows. (the propaganda in them) Not to mention that I don't know where they'd even go with it. It's going to get played out. This season will probably be the worst. A good show knows when to stop. 24 is past that point.

I will watch it. I just don't know how far I will make it before I just shut it off. Kind of like the news.

 

[JorgeStevenson]

Chief - "Season 2", the idea that you proposed with the belief that it would never happen, is real. It's Season 7. You should watch it.

 

[Warlord]

I've anticipated the "it's just a show" line.

Yes, it is just a tv show but it's a conditioning exercise and because of it you see things like NDAA, unlimited CIA power and almost everything in the show becoming reality or at least accepted by the dumbed down masses who are conditioned through this program, others like it, Holllywood and neocon talk radio that their government is keeping them safe from terrorists and therefore liberty must be surrendered for security.

It also re-enforces the narrative like Hollywood that the president is a Very. Important. Person. if not the central figure of American cultural life who must perpetually make "tough decisions" (usually involving interfering in other countries affairs and deploying the U.S military)

 

[anaconda]

I just saw Jack's wife from season 1 turn up in the last couple of episodes of "Revolution."

 

[Falcon63]

People are overly-sensitive. I don't care, though, I'll still watch 24, I'm still watching Person of Interest, and I'll watch any other shows that seem entertaining to me, regardless of what people think they may "condition" me to do.

 

[green73]

FFS, no one is worried about libertarian types watching this show. It's the stupid fucking sheeple who comprise 95% of the electorate.

 

[Lucille]

Look who's excited:

@SenJohnMcCain Jack Bauer is back to save America as we know it - can't wait! http://t.co/rCBYF2YT5N

A big fan, McCain once made a cameo on “24” and has previously said that he and Bauer, the show’s protagonist, “have a lot in common.”

Who but that BSC! neo-Trotskyite would want to "save America as we know it," fascist disaster that it is.

 

[jllundqu]

I hate that McCain is from my state..... what a no-talent-ass-clown.

 

[emazur]

FFS, no one is worried about libertarian types watching this show. It's the stupid fucking sheeple who comprise 95% of the electorate.

There seem to be too many libertarian types here who want to have it both ways: 95% of the electorate is too stupid to make good decisions on what to watch or read or eat yet they are smart enough to run their own lives and don't need big government.

I accuse liberals of the same double standard: 95% of the electorate are Pavlovian dogs who just do whatever advertisers tell them to do yet we're supposed to believe that 'the power of the people' translates to a majority that will make good voting decisions so big government is OK.

If you're arguing that 95% of the people are too fucking stupid at voting AND running their own lives but it's better to keep them out of the way of those who are by strictly limiting government, then I suppose you wouldn't be guilty of the double standard. And I like the quote below, so suppose I'd be in agreement with you if that was the case:

The majority is never right. Never. That's one of those social myths that every free and intelligent man must fight. Who are the majority in a country, anyway, the wise or the foolish? Why, the fools are! They have an overwhelming majority the world over! But I'll be damned if it then follows that they should govern the intelligent people!
- Henrik Ibsen, "An Enemy of the People", 1882

 

[Brett85]

Look who's excited:



Who but that BSC! neo-Trotskyite would want to "save America as we know it," fascist disaster that it is.

That's strange since McCain has said that he's anti torture.

 

[muh_roads]

So Bauer also kidnaps tyrannical presidents? Interesting. Maybe I'll watch for the first time.

They need an episode where he stops Obama from signing another drone executive order.

 

[EBounding]

Good lord this thread was depressing.

It's a TV show. You either like it, or you don't. You shouldn't be scared of it - "Oh, I can't watch that! I might start supporting torture if Jack Bauer tortures a character that I don't like!" Cmon, get real.

 

[Weston White]

That's strange since McCain has said that he's anti torture.

While, he may be anti-torture, but he is by no means neither anti-enhanced interrogation nor anti-kinetic action.

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

I love 24! And I'm against torture. It's a tv show. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they did use drones and killing us civilians. Afterall, it's still hollywood. But I can't help love the show anyhow.

 

[unknown]

It's a fictitious television program. This is a non-issue.

I dont agree mostly because all too often it seems that government/establishment agendas seem to be advanced through the media, whether its TV shows, movies or the news.

 

[Warlord]

I love 24! And I'm against torture. It's a tv show. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they did use drones and killing us civilians. Afterall, it's still hollywood. But I can't help love the show anyhow.

No, the drones will be used to take out the super dangerous terrorist... that's all we use them for... promise.*

*Sorry about this by the way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datta_Khel_airstrike