2016 Iowa Caucus Thread

Dianne said:
Yes !! Although I do believe it is the plan for Bush to come from behind. This election will probably turn out to be the "countdown to armageddon", Bush versus Clinton.
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I think it will be Clinton vs. Rubio.


No idea how that will turn out, but I guess it doesnt matter at all.
 
francisco said:
At any rate, some kind of refuge is called for
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I don't think most people even here would do it. Even as they pronounce judgment and collapse on our country, most are too attached to their comforts to give them up. People are operating with the delusional thinking that some canned food and ammo is going to save them.

I've been spending a lot of time in Africa the past few years. Even an African country with 40% official posted taxes, $350 per capita GDP and a despotic dictator is more free in many ways than the US. It is very eye opening. I'm not quite ready to go that far, but I think there are many places you could tuck away in Latin America and do very well, with little government interference.
 
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The problem is the media controlled everything. Every...single...thing.

One of my aunts come over my house today and she told me she wanted to vote for Rubio. I asked her why? She said he seemed very confident and presidential. She asked who I'm supporting and I said Rand Paul. She said "I've heard of him but they never talk about him on TV so I don't know much"..."HEARD" of him???

But it's not her fault. Most people only hear what is being said on the news. As long as the media has control over things, they decide who wins.
 
mac_hine said:
Ron Paul during the debates in 2008/2012: END THE FED. Here's why....

Rand Paul 2016: mostly crickets on the fed... In favor of an audit.

Ron Paul challenged the establishment and inspired millions.

Rand Paul walked a tight rope trying play both sides and failed miserably.

The writing is on the wall.

Put a fork in it. It's over.
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You are so wrong you don't even know it
 
Krugminator2 said:
There never was a sustainable Ron Paul base. It was always based on one person. Rand tried to take an existing infrastructure and create a libertarian coalition. The demographics aren't there. He definitely made some mistakes and miscalculations. He also isn't an ideal candidate to win a Presidential race. But he put himself in the arena and he should be proud of the effort he made. Hopefully either he or Amash or someone else learns from the campaign and plugs ahead.
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Yes, anyone blaming the campaign needs to fuck right off.

...might as well blame King Canute for failing to stop the tide.

Fighting the massive vested interests who profit from the growth of government is never going to be easy, and this year was especially unfortunate.

The GOP is hell-bent on nominating a national socialist retard (to fight the A-rabs and Messicuns).

It is what it is.
 
ProBlue33 said:
This will be a three way race now. This isn't even as good for liberty as in 08.
I feel bad for Ron Paul, he has to be sad to see his son fail like this.
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Yes, a 3-way race between Rand Cruz and Rubio.
 
Nye said:
Still going to vote for Rand. Don't let tonights results get to you.
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Yes

Dianne said:
I think that is taking it over board. Look, Rand came in 5th. He beat out all the establishment Governors !!!! I think he had an impressive showing. Trump, Cruz and Rubio all have skeletons in their closets. Rand needs to come in playing hard ball !!! We got a shot, we're still in this !!
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Yes!!

moraha said:
The problem is the media controlled everything. Every...single...thing.

One of my aunts come over my house today and she told me she wanted to vote for Rubio. I asked her why? She said he seemed very confident and presidential. She asked who I'm supporting and I said Rand Paul. She said "I've heard but they never talk about him on TV"...HEARD" of him???

But it's not her fault. Most people only hear what is being said on the news. As long as the media has control over things, they decide who wins.
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Agreed, Lady in my office said the same thing. Who is Rand Paul? I dont even know what he stands for. This is the issue. The media does control everything.
 
mac_hine said:
Ron Paul during the debates in 2008/2012: END THE FED. Here's why....
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The majority of people who voted for Ron Paul do not care about the Federal Reserve. Some care. Very few do. And I would bet the majority who do care about monetary policy use the phrase "Zionist bankster," which would lead me to believe that the boom-bust cycle is not what they are worried about.
 
groverblue said:
I feel like the campaign has been lying to me. They said they identified nearly 40k votes who were voting/leaning Rand. Shit, if only 20% of those turned out he still would have 10k. We didn't even hit that. What happened?
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WE WERE LIED TO, you said it yourself. I posted predictions based on the widely promoted talking points made by Rand and the campaign, which sounded realistic and sincere. It now appears the campaign was just saving face for as long as it could, or else certain consultants lied to them.
 
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Just 570 votes so far in Story county where we had 2000+ student pledges... (4 precincts to go) WTF happened? Did they stay home? Did they decide to vote for Rubio instead, who is dominating there with 32%+?

Jefferson county which went 50% for Ron Paul is at 8% for Rand. (1 precinct missing)
 
I'll take 5th, considering the media's continued efforts to marginalize Rand. Several will drop out (Huck and Santorum already have) and Rand will still be on the debate stage if he stays in. Lots can happen in the coming months. Wanted a better result but he is outperforming the polls as expected.

But one thing is clear, the sheep are still very sheepy and voluntarily taking us all to slaughter if they get their way.

Krugminator2 said:
The majority of people who voted for Ron Paul do not care about the Federal Reserve. Some care. Very few do. And I would bet the majority who do care about monetary policy use the phrase "Zionist bankster," which would lead me to believe that the boom-bust cycle is not what they are worried about.
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Some of us know what the Fed was really created to do. Sadly, most still don't and never will, even as everything they thought they owned is stolen out from under them.
 
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Let's give Rand Paul some props here. The guy worked his balls off. And he's not going to stop either. He will stop if we stop, so we can't stop.

It's true we underperformed tonight, we should have beat Carson and at least finished in 4th. But we did beat a Bush and did beat the Bloward Christie, so I will take it and move on.
 
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