2016 Iowa Caucus Thread

[groverblue]

I feel like the campaign has been lying to me. They said they identified nearly 40k votes who were voting/leaning Rand. Shit, if only 20% of those turned out he still would have 10k. We didn't even hit that. What happened?

 

[Krugminator2]

most got pessimistic and started cheering for the world to burn. SMH. im heavily doubting the rationality/sustainability of the "RPbase" as well. my heart aches for the old days of refreshing RPgraphs. <sigh>

There never was a sustainable Ron Paul base. It was always based on one person. Rand tried to take an existing infrastructure and create a libertarian coalition. The demographics aren't there. He definitely made some mistakes and miscalculations. He also isn't an ideal candidate to win a Presidential race. But he put himself in the arena and he should be proud of the effort he made. Hopefully either he or Amash or someone else learns from the campaign and plugs ahead.

 

[iNoob]

There is a good chance for Sanders to win the Democratic IA caucus.

50.1% Clinton 49.3% Sanders, 84% precincts reported

 

[supermario21]

Huckabee just announced on twitter he's suspending his campaign, tomorrow comes the likely Trump endorsement.

 

[Joeinmo]

Trump definately took lots of votes from Rand.

the counties were Trump did best Rand did Worst.

 

[moraha]

I feel like the campaign has been lying to me. They said they identified nearly 40k votes who were voting/leaning Rand. Shit, if only 25% of those turned out he still would have 10k. We didn't even hit that. What happened?

This is exactly what I've been wondering.

On top of that, he only got about 7,000 votes? This is so frustrating.

 

[supermario21]

THE RON PAUL BASE WAS FUNDAMENTALLY NOT LIBERTARIAN.. the end. We need to stop lying to ourselves. Ron got lucky that there were huge spaces of the Republican coalition left unoccupied and that there was no one else in those lanes in 2012.

 

[Swift456]

Really sad to see all the doubters, complainers and blaming.

Keep your head on straight. Keep going. Don't be so weak.

 

[Dianne]

I though that was the script too. But now Bush is too far behind for that.

He still has 59 million in his war chest. Granted, his position in Iowa is embarrassing as hell. Take that the BUSHIT family !!!! I love to see them go down in a blaze of failure.

 

[Dianne]

Huckabee dropped out, finally.

 

[francisco]

So... who's moving to NH with me then?

Despite the FreeState movement, NH has changed and has less and less of the "Live Free or Die" sentiment. Massholes moving in.

No income or sales taxes, but to make up the shortfall, property taxes are sky-high

Winters are brutal

Just 'sayin, cuz I've thought of it myself

At any rate, some kind of refuge is called for

 

[Chieppa1]

I will never understand the Cruz love here. Even as the 2nd choice. What is the appeal? He's going to dive into war the first opportunity he gets. No one in more in love with Israel and it's plans than Ted Cruz.

Ron Paul had the antiwar vote. And now is forum is filled with ppl ignoring the major part of his platform.

 

[Dianne]

Huckabee just announced on twitter he's suspending his campaign, tomorrow comes the likely Trump endorsement.

About damn time. Santorum should do the same.

 

[HarryBrowneLives]

#WINNING

 

[parocks]

The campaign has sucked from day one. This shouldn't be a surprise for anyone.

It's a tough spot that Rand is in. He's competing with Trump, Cruz and Carson. Who did Ron have to contend with? Socons and establishment. Here we have populists and semi conservatives and Rand. And the media has talked about Trump non stop.

 

[moraha]

I will never understand the Cruz love here. Even as the 2nd choice. What is the appeal? He's going to dive into war the first opportunity he gets. No one in more in love with Israel and it's plans then Ted Cruz.

One thing I can tell you is that his positions are very similar to Paul's...whether he actually would DO them is a different story. On top of that, many people have told me that they like a flat tax which I believe only Paul and Cruz had.

 

[Krugminator2]

THE RON PAUL BASE WAS FUNDAMENTALLY NOT LIBERTARIAN.. the end. We need to stop lying to ourselves. Ron got lucky that there were huge spaces of the Republican coalition left unoccupied and that there was no one else in those lanes in 2012.

That was always the biggest lie. There never was libertarian moment. There was a Ron Paul moment that attracted libertarians because Ron is a libertarian. But most of the coalition was something other than libertarian.

 

[mac_hine]

This isn't Rand's fault at all. Many of the Ron Paul voters never understood the Fed. They're probably too fucking dumb to understand it. They just wanted to be part of something; to be against the establishment. Well now they had plenty of places to go. Don't blame Rand. He did the best he could.

I started realizing this a while ago, when some people I met when I was a delegate in 2008, started supporting single player health care.

Ron Paul during the debates in 2008/2012: END THE FED. Here's why....

Rand Paul 2016: mostly crickets on the fed... In favor of an audit.

Ron Paul challenged the establishment and inspired millions.

Rand Paul walked a tight rope trying play both sides and failed miserably.

The writing is on the wall.

Put a fork in it. It's over.




http://youtu.be/jsaTElBljOE

 

[Cleaner44]

According to CNN, Cruz gets 6 delegates while Trump and Rubio win 5 delegates.
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/ia

 

[Dianne]

I will never understand the Cruz love here. Even as the 2nd choice. What is the appeal? He's going to dive into war the first opportunity he gets. No one in more in love with Israel and it's plans then Ted Cruz.

I think his appeal is that the establishment hates him. Even the Governor of Iowa said vote for anyone other than Cruz. Bob Dole said vote for Trump before you vote for Cruz.