16 Open Carriers trying to enjoy dinner vs Several Police Officers!

[PaulConventionWV]

I'm getting all jittery and nostalgic for the days when people carried handguns openly and the Waffle House urinals were filled with cigarette butts.

Brother, I remember America.

I really don't get what's so attractive about smoking. Now it symbolizes the greatness of America. Give me a break. Cigarette butts in the urinal is America. Please.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Although this was a cool video, I was disappointed by how severely obese many of those Libertarian 2nd amendment people in the video were. This has been a trend I've noticed in my activism, and it really upsets me. Anyone else feel the same way?

Are you kidding? The obese are the new smokers! They are the freedom fighters! Everyone get fat to show how much of a rebel you are!

 

[Ender]

If we are going to win campaigns in 2014, and 2016, we cannot have anyone look at us and laugh. Obese libertarians means lack of personal responsibility. People who are obese and cannot keep their bodies fit are irresponsible. If you cannot manage your own body, you cannot manage anything. It just reinforces the image liberals have of us that Libertarians are either stupid fat rednecks or fat internet-addicted losers that live in mom's basement.

I don't want to hear about it's "liberty". Obesity = personal irresponsibilty. It looks hypocritical for Libertarians to talk about personal responsibility while being obese.

Get over yourself- Marilyn Monroe would be considered "obese" today.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

After checking the link I found Wisconsin's State Statute:

968.24  Temporary questioning without arrest. After having identified himself or herself as a law enforcement officer, a law enforcement officer may stop a person in a public place for a reasonable period of time when the officer reasonably suspects that such person is committing, is about to commit or has committed a crime, and may demand the name and address of the person and an explanation of the person's conduct. Such detention and temporary questioning shall be conducted in the vicinity where the person was stopped.

So say I'm sitting at a bench minding my own business & a cop walks up & asks for ID. Should I ask the officer if he reasonably suspects that I am committing, about to commit or has committed a crime to justify showing my ID to him?

You do not have to show your ID in that case. He has no reason to suspect you. This you already know. Don't ask him unless it's rhetorical. Even if you are walking away from the scene of a crime, there is no legitimate reason to suspect you of anything unless he has some factual basis for it besides being close to a crime scene.

 

[fr33]

Being anti-smoking and fascist are two completely different things. What's more, guns actually serve a purpose, unlike smoking. Making guns look like some kind of anathema to the state is just silly in my opinion. It's like saying gun owners are the new coke dealers. Sure, doing coke is fine from a liberty standpoint, but it's certainly not anything to be proud of. I don't get why so many people think smoking is the ultimate act of rebellion just because people want laws against it. That doesn't make it any more admirable or healthy. I support completely your right to smoke, but I abhor the use of commercial cigarettes. In fact, commercial cigarettes were used in the early stages of the feminist movement, which I see as another example of the social programming that's been going on, as I'm sure you know, anti-fed.

The point is that these gun owners and the owner of the restaurant have witnessed just a tiny taste of what smokers are already experienced. Well the owner might have already gone through the smoking ban, I don't know.

Don't allow smokers in your restaurant.

Don't allow gun owners in your restaurant.

Thus says the state.

One is already banned in many places if not most and the other is following fast to be banned as well.

I've often said smokers are the new ******s. They can be run off private and public property no matter who actually owns the property just by govt decree. Jim Crow laws have been replaced by Joe Camel laws.

 

[Henry Rogue]

It means that the social controllers, neo-Puritans and nosy moral busy bodies, with nothing better to do with their time than hound and harrass and ostracize people that are living their lives or enjoying things that they disapprove of, will now set their sights on the use, ownership and sales of firearms as their new "moral crusade".

If successful, they will be within sight of total prohibition within thirty years, just like the anti-smoking fascists are now.

+ rep, just wanted to see this posted again.

 

[Noob]

 

[Anti Federalist]

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[BlackTerrel]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Reposted.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It means that the social controllers, neo-Puritans and nosy moral busy bodies, with nothing better to do with their time than hound and harrass and ostracize people that are living their lives or enjoying things that they disapprove of, will now set their sights on the use, ownership and sales of firearms as their new "moral crusade".

If successful, they will be within sight of total prohibition within thirty years, just like the anti-smoking fascists are now.

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[nobody's_hero]

Let it die. The thread must die.

 

[speciallyblend]

I really don't get what's so attractive about smoking. Now it symbolizes the greatness of America. Give me a break. Cigarette butts in the urinal is America. Please.

i hear you, granted i smoke marijuana but perfer to eat it. I do not demand to smoke in a restaurant or in public places. In Colorado i would say a majority of folks who smoke or eat marijuana . Do not smoke Cigs including myself.

 

[Fox McCloud]

Dunno why the police even bothered about the open carry.

Giving them a warning for being a public menace because of the children, however? A bit more understandable =p