1500 People who showed up to caucus TURNED AWAY

[liberty2897]

So I'm sure this has been answered, but why were these people not already inside?

Before entering the main rooms, everyone had to register. The registration area was right next to the entrance doors. There was not enough room for everyone to get past the front doors and register before 10:00am, even if they got there much earlier.

 

[wgadget]

duckies, this is only the beginning of the evening...
its midnight in less than four hours where i am, and
washington state is in the pacific time zone so they are
three hours behind me. it looks like our people got in
the door right before the romney people shut them so
maybe there were more paul and santorum people on
the outside or maybe even gingrich people. a guess!

Phew...Well, that's a relief.

 

[tbone717]

Quite the opposite. I would say that that analogy is way more appropriate for why we shouldn't believe a word that comes out of the media or establishment GOP's mouth, when they're constantly caught lying and doing shady things that would suggest foul play.

I guess you weren't hear for the multiple page thread of people crying voter fraud when Google was testing it's election map and had results reported a day before the contest. I am starting to come to the opinion that this movement has been infiltrated by people who's sole mission is to make libertarian-conservatives look like bunch of reactionary conspiracy theorists.

 

[tbone717]

Respected in my community? lol I have no interest in running for office, especially a GOP committeeman.

Seriously, then stop bitching about a system you aren't willing to help to change. It only stifles the work that 1000's of others are trying to do.

 

[MelissaWV]

Before entering the main rooms, everyone had to register. The registration area was right next to the entrance doors. There was not enough room for everyone to get past the front doors and register before 10:00am, even if they got there much earlier.

Um, if you get there earlier, you get through the registration process earlier. I guess I'm missing something here. Oh well. For a movement that values personal responsibility, I do see an awful lot of cries of "fraud" compared to suggestions for how later contests can avoid these party strategies.

 

[TheGrinch]

I guess you weren't hear for the multiple page thread of people crying voter fraud when Google was testing it's election map and had results reported a day before the contest. I am starting to come to the opinion that this movement has been infiltrated by people who's sole mission is to make libertarian-conservatives look like bunch of reactionary conspiracy theorists.

Odd, I'm starting to come to the conclusion that some here are so opposed to the dirty word they've created "conspiracy theorists", that they'll deny anything fishy, even if all indications are that something is up.

As for those who speculate too much, the reason for that is that they constantly pull crap like that, so it's entirely natural for someone to assume the worst, when they're constantly lying and pulling shenanigans. What have the GOP and media done in this race to inspire confidence from Paul supporters? You'd have to be blind to not see that they've given us nothing but ammo to assume the worst out of them.

 

[Liberty Rebellion]

Seriously, then stop bitching about a system you aren't willing to help to change. It only stifles the work that 1000's of others are trying to do.

No.

The system will change anyways and I help change it in other ways.

And how exactly am I stifling someone's work by working in the liberty movement? That makes no sense. You have no idea who I am, what I've done for the movement, and what I'm doing.

 

[liberty2897]

Um, if you get there earlier, you get through the registration process earlier. I guess I'm missing something here. Oh well. For a movement that values personal responsibility, I do see an awful lot of cries of "fraud" compared to suggestions for how later contests can avoid these party strategies.

I never used the word fraud. They weren't prepared to handle that many people by 10:00am is the point I was trying to make. There wasn't enough people processing the registration. Another point, the local newspaper just said Caucus starts at 10:00am. The establishment GOP definitely knew to get there much earlier. I agree that it is the voters responsibility to look these things up, but I definitely think the GOP was either 1) not very organized and prepared in this county or 2) It went just like they wanted it to. It looked to me like all the old-time establishment GOP made it in fine. Again, I am not saying fraud or anything illegal happened. It just sucks to see half the people not be able to vote.

 

[tbone717]

No.

The system will change anyways and I help change it in other ways.

And how exactly am I stifling someone's work by working in the liberty movement. That makes no sense

Because you are making accusations from behind a computer about a process that you have never been involved in, have little (if any) knowledge about, and are not willing to get yourself involved in locally.

It has been explained many pages back how this could have been remedied. Instead of complaining about the local GOP officials that booked the room, we should be complaining about the RP supporters that failed to make a motion to split the caucus to multiple votes to accommodate the others.

 

[TheGrinch]

Because you are making accusations from behind a computer about a process that you have never been involved in, have little (if any) knowledge about, and are not willing to get yourself involved in locally.

It has been explained many pages back how this could have been remedied. Instead of complaining about the local GOP officials that booked the room, we should be complaining about the RP supporters that failed to make a motion to split the caucus to multiple votes to accommodate the others.

Okay, should we also blame Dr. Paul supporters who didn't do enough to anticipate that the GOP would muddy up the process?

How in the world do you continue to blame this group for an oversight on something that they weren't responsible for organizing? How is it our fault for not objecting, but it's not their fault for not doing things the right way? I've even admitted that it could be a simple oversight on their part, but your willingness to deflect all blame t othis hard-working group even less responsible for an "oversight" (who we know is not up to anything shady), is flat out sickening.

Do you ever post other than to trash Paul supporters you don't agree with? If so, I've never seen it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Heh heh heh...I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

Getting the picture yet folks?

 

[kathy88]

Um, if you get there earlier, you get through the registration process earlier. I guess I'm missing something here. Oh well. For a movement that values personal responsibility, I do see an awful lot of cries of "fraud" compared to suggestions for how later contests can avoid these party strategies.

After tonight later contests are going to be even harder, unfortunately.

 

[Aratus]

Heh heh heh...I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

Getting the picture yet folks?

over at Intrade, there is gambling going on there... louie

 

[Aratus]

Intrade has to pay out in good faith despite how corrupt our politics gets when "results" become official!

 

[asurfaholic]

Too many showed up. In order to accommodate them, someone would have needed to make a motion to split the caucus into multiple sessions. No one did, so the caucus proceeded as normal. From my reading of the state GOP rules, our people there could have, and should have dealt with the situation as the rules prescribe and none of this would have been an issue.

What if the people inside didnt know that was going on outside?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Bullshit. They cited pressure from the State Party to get votes in. The State Party can wait. They could have done two caucuses back to back. People would have waited.

Absolutely agreed!!!!

 

[tbone717]

Okay, should we also blame Dr. Paul supporters who didn't do enough to anticipate that the GOP would muddy up the process?

How in the world do you continue to blame this group for an oversight on something that they weren't responsible for organizing? How is it our fault for not objecting, but it's not their fault for not doing things the right way? I've even admitted that it could be a simple oversight on their part, but your willingness to deflect all blame t othis hard-working group even less responsible for an "oversight" (who we know is not up to anything shady), is flat out sickening.

Do you ever post other than to trash Paul supporters you don't agree with? If so, I've never seen it.

1) The room they booked was too small. Considering that in 2008 WA had a caucus and a primary it is difficult for people to estimate the turnout. They made a mistake, people do make mistakes.

2) There is remedy for this in the state GOP rules, as previously stated.

So there are two groups at fault. I never absolved the people who booked too small a room for their error in estimating turnout. The local GOP volunteers who booked too small of a room, and the Paul supporters (and for that matter anyone that was in the caucus) for not making a motion from the floor. The problem is that we have far too many people that want to put all the blame on the GOP volunteers as if there was some grand conspiracy to suppress the vote, when the blame also needs to be placed on the people who did not bother to read or understand their parties rules.

 

[tbone717]

What if the people inside didnt know that was going on outside?

According to an earlier post in this thread, the guy who claims he was there did vote if I am not mistaken. Check the post if you like and ask him to clarify.

 

[tbone717]

Honestly, I think some of you just like to bitch and moan about everyone else rather than looking at it rationally. It;s been nice folks, but I'm done here for a while if not longer. We have a Senate race & some state races in PA to win, and it's time to shift focus on what is winnable.

 

[LibertyEagle]

1) The room they booked was too small. Considering that in 2008 WA had a caucus and a primary it is difficult for people to estimate the turnout. They made a mistake, people do make mistakes.

2) There is remedy for this in the state GOP rules, as previously stated.

So there are two groups at fault. I never absolved the people who booked too small a room for their error in estimating turnout. The local GOP volunteers who booked too small of a room, and the Paul supporters (and for that matter anyone that was in the caucus) for not making a motion from the floor. The problem is that we have far too many people that want to put all the blame on the GOP volunteers as if there was some grand conspiracy to suppress the vote, when the blame also needs to be placed on the people who did not bother to read or understand their parties rules.

You make good points. Although, I too wonder if the people in the RP supporters in the room knew that people were being turned away.

It's a sad deal, but we can choose to learn from it so that it never happens again.