12/16 Promotion - Want $6.5 Million? We Need 65,000 Pledges for $100 on TeaParty11.com

[WD-NY]

There shouldn't be another address at all.

agreed - the stamp/brand of "No One But Paul" OVER the 'tea party' logo communicates a very clear and compelling message. I guess a forum member does own noonebutpaul.com, but even if we didn't have the url, we can still call this the "No One But Paul Money Bomb" and use teaparty11.com

 

[dusman]

Could someone suggest how None But Paul is a good use of proper English? To me it seems incorrect.

If I were to put it in sentence format..

None but Paul stands for liberty and prosperity..

No One but Paul stands for liberty and prosperity..

 

[lucent]

dusman, sent a private message.

 

[Sentinelrv]

It's supposed to be for people that don't want to use the current address that says Tea Party in it. Many people have been reacting negatively toward our money bomb promotion. The Ron Paul 2012 Facebook page today made an update advertising the money bomb by stating that it wasn't really about the movement, but about the Boston Tea Party. Still, there was a lot of negative reaction to it in the comments, people saying that we needed to disassociate ourselves from the Tea Party and that a money bomb themed around it was a bad idea. Having to explain our promotion is going to hurt us. The new address is for people that wanted to use the "No One But Paul" theme to advertise instead, so they wouldn't receive any adverse reaction from the TeaParty11.com web address. The problem is that NoOneButPaul.com was taken, so Nathaniel obtained NoneButPaul.com. The point of the second address is to avoid adverse reactions to the Tea Party association. It's unfortunate that the media has destroyed the term by connecting it with racists.

Does anyone know who owns NoOneButPaul.com? If it's going to be this hard to promote the Tea Party theme because of adverse reactions to the name, maybe we should consider switching, or at least emphasize the No One But Paul theme more.

 

[Sentinelrv]

Could someone suggest how None But Paul is a good use of proper English? To me it seems incorrect.

If I were to put it in sentence format..

None but Paul stands for liberty and prosperity..

No One but Paul stands for liberty and prosperity..

Have you checked your email today? I believe we had an entire conversation about this and your email address was included. You should have the conversation in your inbox.

 

[dusman]

agreed - the stamp/brand of "No One But Paul" OVER the 'tea party' logo communicates a very clear and compelling message. I guess a forum member does own noonebutpaul.com, but even if we didn't have the url, we can still call this the "No One But Paul Money Bomb" and use teaparty11.com

I must be missing something with it. To me it's not clear and compelling, but rather confusing and overly convoluted? I could be bias because I'm a graphic designer.. but I can't see a circumstance where overlaying it in that type of manner would ever be acceptable in regards to brand identity, which nearly always favors simplicity.

I'm assuming this is all coming from some negativity from the theme revolving around the Tea Party. I should remind everyone that such negativity was much more prevalent with Black This Out. I received HATE mail over that theme. Everything from claims of racial connotations to it being misrepresentative of everything that Ron Paul stands for.

We aren't too far off from where we were with Black This Out. At this time period leading up to BTO, we were at 3,300 pledges. We are about 1,500 pledges behind.. but if we improve on some of the things we did from BTO, we won't be too far off.

 

[Sentinelrv]

I must be missing something with it. To me it's not clear and compelling, but rather confusing and overly convoluted? I could be bias because I'm a graphic designer.. but I can't see a circumstance where overlaying it in that type of manner would ever be acceptable in regards to brand identity, which nearly always favors simplicity.

Well, here is the post WD-NY made about it. He didn't just place one logo over the other like it looks in the widget up above. He instead faded the TeaParty11 logo and placed No One But Paul over it like it was being rebranded...

Agreed. I'm definitely in favor of a re-brand that echoes the strength/toughness of BlackThisOut. "No One But Paul" sends a very clear message to Romney, Gingrinch and Huntsman (who won't win, but the establishment is pushing hard to take away votes from Ron in NH) will force each of them to think hard about how to handle/approach Paul since they would need our support in order beat Obama (they won't get it but that doesn't mean they won't give up trying to). This puts Paul in a very commanding position...

Here's a very quickly drafted variation using the header of the email being sent out to pledgers for background:

Basically, the idea would be a "No One But Paul" (or "None But Paul") stamp/brand over the "Tea Party '11 / The Revolution Continues" logo.

 

[Sentinelrv]

I'm assuming this is all coming from some negativity from the theme revolving around the Tea Party. I should remind everyone that such negativity was much more prevalent with Black This Out. I received HATE mail over that theme. Everything from claims of racial connotations to it being misrepresentative of everything that Ron Paul stands for.

Also Dusman, the difference between Black This Out and Tea Party is that BTO energized Ron Paul supporters by making the media bias the focus, where Tea Party does not energize supporters anymore. It used to, and still does energize older supporters from back in 2007, but the media has twisted the meaning of the term to the point where it doesn't energize the majority of our supporters anymore. Instead, our supporters are embarrassed to be associated with the Tea Party, let alone go around on Facebook promoting it everywhere. This is why I believe the No One But Paul theme would be better to switch to. It's a message to all the other candidates, it's forceful, edgy and it riles up supporters.

 

[lucent]

Does anyone know who owns NoOneButPaul.com? If it's going to be this hard to promote the Tea Party theme because of adverse reactions to the name, maybe we should consider switching, or at least emphasize the No One But Paul theme more.

There is absolutely no problem promoting the Tea Party theme. You're listening to two people who complain way too much. It is way too late in the game to be changing the theme. If they, or anyone else didn't like it, they should have been in the designing process from the beginning.

 

[WD-NY]

Could someone suggest how None But Paul is a good use of proper English? To me it seems incorrect.

If I were to put it in sentence format..

None but Paul stands for liberty and prosperity..

No One but Paul stands for liberty and prosperity..

Dusman, can you whip us up a hot "No One But Paul" brand/stamp that can be used in much the same way as the "black bar over eyes" was for BTO (re: DailyPaul/RPF/etc can display the stamp over their logo and still look alright)?

Mine was a quick draft version, but I think the general concept was heading in the right direction

 

[Sentinelrv]

There is absolutely no problem promoting the Tea Party theme. You're listening to two people who complain way too much.

What has been your experience promoting it? Mine has been mostly negative. I have to keep explaining things when I shouldn't have to. It's clear to me there is a major problem with the way people are perceiving this.

If they, or anyone else didn't like it, they should have been in the designing process from the beginning.

That makes absolutely no sense. It's our job to pick the right theme, not theirs.

 

[dusman]

Well, here is the post WD-NY made about it. He didn't just place one logo over the other like it looks in the widget up above. He instead faded the TeaParty11 logo and placed No One But Paul over it like it was being rebranded...

This is better, but I'm not entirely convinced it's necessary to go this route. It's almost a complete rebrand and at this point.. I'm not sure that would be a smart choice.

Simply put, what real benefit do we expect to gain with such a change? I don't believe it is going to suddenly boost involvement, but seems an almost desperate attempt to inspire such. Also, I've been noticing more talk about the Tea Party getting behind Ron Paul over the past week and if we have a fair showing for this one, it might help to reinforce that ideal going into Iowa.

Again, we aren't too far behind where we were with BTO.. we just need to step it up and get our ducks in a row.

What I do really like about incorporating the "No One But Paul" meme is that it 1) gives the Tea Party a message to get behind.. something that is somewhat missing right now, and 2) gives us a nice lead up into what potentially might evolve into a moneybomb themed specifically to that idea. I think a "No One But Paul" moneybomb would be a great idea and would really make it a statement to the GOP leading into Super Tuesday, especially if we fair really well in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

Just my thoughts, anyways.

 

[nathanielyao]

Here are my 0.02 cents, a quarter due to the inflation tax! LOL.

website address looks a little better and people tend to mistype double letters unless it is one word like google:

nonebutpaul.com vs. noonebutpaul.com

Shorter to remember, three syllables re: Black This Out, Bring Them Home, Four More Years, Just Do It, Like A Rock, In Your Face, Mm Mm Good. A lot of slogans are three syllables especially ones that are chanted

On the stamp, the thought is Paul should be on a line of its own, so the top would read either:

NONE BUT or NO ONE BUT, and artistically NONE BUT looks a little better.

And no, not a complete rebranding, but a logo or slogan for TeaParty11, just as "Like A Rock" is for Chevrolet.

NoneButPaul.com is forwarding to TeaParty11.com

 

[dusman]

There is absolutely no problem promoting the Tea Party theme. You're listening to two people who complain way too much. It is way too late in the game to be changing the theme. If they, or anyone else didn't like it, they should have been in the designing process from the beginning.

I have to agree with this. If I were to share all of the horrible e-mails I received over Black This Out.. I'm sure this same concern would have been raised then. I didn't publicize those (except for 1 humorous one) because not everyone is going to accept the theme and that is something we have to put aside. So far from what I've seen.. I've witnessed much more distaste toward Black This Out vs. Tea Party 11.

The point is that the Tea Party is a HUGE market. We can't look at it so black and white in regards to where their support lies or how they are perceived. I'd approximate that 30% of the Tea Party people are ready and willing to get behind Ron Paul, as long as they believe he has a chance. That could mean a 5% boost in the polls if we capitalize on it. It's not much, but still a substantial jump. I think in this regard the stories coming out of the moneybomb about the "Tea Party" rallying behind Ron Paul to raise multiple millions of dollars would help galvanize a portion of that support. We have to consider each effect and consequence that happens as a result.

Ultimately, even if we wanted to change theme (which really might have not been a bad option).. doing it 2 weeks before the day is not a well thought-out idea. We have 300 meetup groups who have been contacted and personally from my own local one.. we are engaging all of the local Tea Party meetups to get behind it.

With that said, we might be overlooking the impact a rebrand/retheme would have on ground activity that is happening nationwide that we might not be aware of.

 

[Sentinelrv]

Again, we aren't too far behind where we were with BTO.. we just need to step it up and get our ducks in a row.

Maybe the redesign will boost things, plus adding in the No One But Paul theme, instead of simply scrapping the entire theme and replacing it?

2) gives us a nice lead up into what potentially might evolve into a moneybomb themed specifically to that idea. I think a "No One But Paul" moneybomb would be a great idea and would really make it a statement to the GOP leading into Super Tuesday, especially if we fair really well in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

I was thinking we could use No One But Paul as the main theme for a January 4th money bomb. It's the day right after the Iowa caucus. If Ron won Iowa, a money bomb the next day would EXPLODE, especially with all the new people visiting the website to find out who he is.

 

[lucent]

What has been your experience promoting it? Mine has been mostly negative. I have to keep explaining things when I shouldn't have to. It's clear to me there is a major problem with the way people are perceiving this.

I haven't had any kind of major negative feedback. We have more coalitions sites than ever.

That makes absolutely no sense. It's our job to pick the right theme, not theirs.

It makes all the sense because the theme is set. To change the theme this late in the game is just going to be disastrous.

 

[lucent]

Here are my 0.02 cents, a quarter due to the inflation tax! LOL.

website address looks a little better and people tend to mistype double letters unless it is one word like google:

nonebutpaul.com vs. noonebutpaul.com

Shorter to remember, three syllables re: Black This Out, Bring Them Home, Four More Years, Just Do It, Like A Rock, In Your Face, Mm Mm Good. A lot of slogans are three syllables especially ones that are chanted

On the stamp, the thought is Paul should be on a line of its own, so the top would read either:

NONE BUT or NO ONE BUT, and artistically NONE BUT looks a little better.

And no, not a complete rebranding, but a logo or slogan for TeaParty11, just as "Like A Rock" is for Chevrolet.

NoneButPaul.com is forwarding to TeaParty11.com

Changing the the domain now would be a very bad idea. Best to just save the other domain for later. We will be having more moneybombs.

 

[dusman]

I can see we might be leading into a philosophical battle here. Let's nip that in the butt before it occurs and continue our focus on solidifying the message and getting our support drummed up for this moneybomb.

It's clear that we need to revisit some of the message and build more momentum. I've posted a new design theme aimed at helping with that.. let's start there.

 

[lucent]

dusman, one thing on the new design. It is missing an obvious pledge to donate $100.

 

[Sentinelrv]

It makes all the sense because the theme is set. To change the theme this late in the game is just going to be disastrous.

Well that's not really what you said, but I do agree that it probably wouldn't look good on us if we changed this late in the game. I don't think a rebrand of the slogan under the TeaParty11 logo would hurt though.