$100k needed by Friday for Blimp or the media will have a field day laughing at us

[leonster]

It's a risk that I believe in though. That's the difference.

And there would be MANY people who would discourage you from donating to "such a long shot... you're throwing your money away." But you support him anyways, as your choice... you would resent others meddling in that, right?

Same here.

A thread in grassroots is just raising awareness, not trying to force you into something...

 

[NewEnd]

It's a risk that I believe in though. That's the difference.

See... I guess what the blimp bashers keep failing to understand is, if they do not like it, they do not have to donate it.

There must be some kind of neural disconnect in their brains.. perhaps a psychosomatic impulse that keeps telling them to trash the blimp, even though they have no real stake in it. they could have a stake in it, if they donated, but they will not donate, and thats fine... they do not need to...

..but apparently, they believe it is mandatory they do.

So to set the record straight, in case you have misunderstood the first few times this was explained:


If you dont like anything about it, you do not have to donate to it.

 

[leonster]

If you dont like anything about it, you do not have to donate to it.

+1

This thread in two sentences:

If you like it, now is the time, please donate!

If you don't like it, totally cool man, just move along...

 

[Chomsky]

It's only cool to a Ron Paul supporter. When you see a blimp in the sky, do you go and run and tell your friends and family? At work around the water cooler are you gonna say, "Guess what I saw today! A blimp! OMFG!" You have to realize that your judgement is clouded by your enthusiasm for the Revolution. A blimp is not that big of a deal. The last time I got excited about seeing a blimp, I was eight years old.

But you know what I do still get excited about seeing? The Oscar Meyer Weinermobile. Now if we could get one of those for Ron Paul, that would be something.

LOL, too true. There is a small time pro golf tournament here in Milwaukee that gets a blimp to come every year. But people that are convinced that the blimp is a good move and money well spent, probably aren't going to be deterred, which is fine. Bottom line it will just be one more story in the never ending narrative that Ron Paul's campaign is full of looney's, who are now flying around in blimps that cost so much that the same amount would have bought the campaign a substantial amount of airtime in NH. But oh well. Its not going to be the demise of the campaign or anything, just a huge waste of money.

 

[firebirdnation]

See... I guess what the blimp bashers keep failing to understand is, if they do not like it, they do not have to donate it.

There must be some kind of neural disconnect in their brains.. perhaps a psychosomatic impulse that keeps telling them to trash the blimp, even though they have no real stake in it. they could have a stake in it, if they donated, but they will not donate, and thats fine... they do not need to...

..but apparently, they believe it is mandatory they do.

So to set the record straight, in case you have misunderstood the first few times this was explained:


If you dont like anything about it, you do not have to donate to it.

Who are these blimp bashers you speak of? I also love how you resort to an ad hominim attack on the so called "blimp bashers".

Nobody is upset because they hate with the Blimp idea; it has to do with the way the organizers have conducted themselves and the project.

 

[leonster]

For those upset by it being "for profit" with paid employees... consider first that it cannot be a non-profit and be able to do what it is doing. We all agree on this, right?

Don't you think it's reasonable that at some future point the FEC will take a look into this? And at that point, if they don't say "we want to make a profit, and we have paid employees (etc.)..." then what WILL they say?


"Ok, sir, umm... well yes, we are a for-profit company, not a non-profit organization... what's that? No we don't have any employees. Yes, that's right, we posted on our website that we are not trying to make a profit. That's right, we never had any kind of profitable business plan. What makes us a company? Umm... gee, you got me on that question, I'll have to ask my attorney--wait, we don't have one..."

 

[leonster]

Who are these blimp bashers you speak of?

Check the Blimp forum sometime... especially a couple days ago, it was pretty bad in there.

Big difference between legitimate questions and concerns--which I raised, too!!--and simple bashing, which was the case with many people

 

[firebirdnation]

LOL, too true. There is a small time pro golf tournament here in Milwaukee that gets a blimp to come every year. But people that are convinced that the blimp is a good move and money well spent, probably aren't going to be deterred, which is fine. Bottom line it will just be one more story in the never ending narrative that Ron Paul's campaign is full of looney's, who are now flying around in blimps that cost so much that the same amount would have bought the campaign a substantial amount of airtime in NH. But oh well. Its not going to be the demise of the campaign or anything, just a huge waste of money.

haha, I think you may be 100% correct, but deep down I hope you are wrong but what an excellent post!

 

[idiom]

Ha Ha I get that. I've been following the demise of the housing market for quite some time.

Thanks man, its a really tough crowd round here.

 

[NewEnd]

I also love how you resort to an ad hominim attack on the so called "blimp bashers".

Its not an ad hominem, it is a fact.

You all must have some kind of neural defect, and I think you just prove my point by continuing to bash the blimp.

And when I say Blimp, I mean the entire blimp project.

Ohh... and if over 85% of all your posts are blimp bashing, you are by definition, a blimp basher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/blimp_bashers

 

[slantedview]

Who are these blimp bashers you speak of?

if you had spent any time in the blimp forum for the past week, you'd know who. trust us, they were there. it's not a question.

 

[michaelwise]

Who are these blimp bashers you speak of? I also love how you resort to an ad hominim attack on the so called "blimp bashers".

Nobody is upset because they hate with the Blimp idea; it has to do with the way the organizers have conducted themselves and the project.

We're all armatures at this. Can't you just give them a break, and find another thread to comment on?

 

[firebirdnation]

For those upset by it being "for profit" with paid employees... consider first that it cannot be a non-profit and be able to do what it is doing. We all agree on this, right?

I remember Mark talking about some kind of church arrangement which would have been able to be used, but I don't know the details, Perhaps he will see this and chime in.

They could have also done it with a PAC. Others seem to be forming PAC's and getting things done.

 

[michaelwise]

I remember Mark talking about some kind of church arrangement which would have been able to be used, but I don't know the details, Perhaps he will see this and chime in.

They could have also done it with a PAC. Others seem to be forming PAC's and getting things done.

It wouldn't work on a project of this scale.

 

[slantedview]

I remember Mark talking about some kind of church arrangement which would have been able to be used, but I don't know the details, Perhaps he will see this and chime in.

They could have also done it with a PAC. Others seem to be forming PAC's and getting things done.

"Why not a PAC?"

http://ronpaulblimp.com/PAC_Explanation.php

"It appears very likely that the blimp will generate more publicity value before it even launches than it will cost to operate for the entire first month"

This is all that matters, we just have to get there.

 

[leonster]

I remember Mark talking about some kind of church arrangement which would have been able to be used, but I don't know the details, Perhaps he will see this and chime in.

They could have also done it with a PAC. Others seem to be forming PAC's and getting things done.

But there's a major problem with a PAC. We could form a PAC to attack other candidates, or we could form a PAC to support Paul AND HUCKABEE (example)... but to form a PAC just to support Ron Paul, then every dollar you donate to the PAC counts as a dollar to the official campaign.

In other words, for people donating a lot, they can donate ONLY $2300--their choice, campaign or blimp, but not both.

With this, they can choose both.

 

[firebirdnation]

Its not an ad hominem, it is a fact.

You all must have some kind of neural defect, and I think you just prove my point by continuing to bash the blimp.

Ad hominim.....

And when I say Blimp, I mean the entire blimp project.

Change the rules, or in the case defnitions, as you go eh haha. Looks like yet another fallacy, perhaps a false dilemma. Lets pull this out and take a look shall we? Either you love the project of hate the project (didn't Bush say that too??), isn't that what you are saying? Aren't you suggesting there isn't another choice? Perhaps, I like the blimp idea, but I don't like the way it has been conducted? See, false dilemma.

Ohh... and if over 85% of all your posts are blimp bashing, you are by definition, a blimp basher.

According to your new definition I take it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/blimp_bashers

lets count up firebirds posts and see what we get... hmmm

A detective too?

Gotta love the encyclopedia anyone can edit eh.

 

[NewEnd]

If what MArk is saying is true, than any church could have donated whatever it wanted to George Bush. Hell, the Catholic church could have bought a president or two by now. the LDS could just funnel money into the Romney Campaign.

So, no, I think Mark has a few things misunderstood about the legal abilities of a church.

 

[Mark]

I remember Mark talking about some kind of church arrangement which would have been able to be used, but I don't know the details, Perhaps he will see this and chime in.

They could have also done it with a PAC. Others seem to be forming PAC's and getting things done.

Yeah, I can do it with no profit taken.

And one particular lawyer, has GOT to go.

 

[Mark]

If what MArk is saying is true, than any church could have donated whatever it wanted to George Bush. Hell, the Catholic church could have bought a president or two by now. the LDS could just funnel money into the Romney Campaign.

So, no, I think Mark has a few things misunderstood about the legal abilities of a church.

Do you know the difference between a 501(c)3 Organization

and one that isn't?

Study first. Ask any questions second, and I'll hook you up with the 411.

~~~"I can see clearly now.. the Clinton's gone"~~~