"1.5 Million and I'm in!"

Why are you people complaining about donating money whether he is in or not? Does it really matter what title his campaign has? He has said "I WILL GIVE BACK ALL OF YOUR MONEY IF I DON'T RUN". You put the money in if you can afford it, if not, keep it. Other people who haven't donated and would if he declared he was in might not know he is willing to give 100% of the money back. So for that I can understand, but give me a break. We need him in the Senate more than we don't need him there. Put up or shut up mail him if you have problems. When the hell is the next money bomb? I need to start saving!!! WHO'S WITH ME!?

That isn't really the issue. Most people here KNOW we can't possibly reach 1.5 million before September 10th. Just look at the Rand Paul moneybomb. And the fact he hasn't announced hes running yet & hasn't done any campaigning (Like Rand has) makes the situation worse.
 
True that. And not to doubt his credibility...but would there be any LEGAL requirement to refund the money donated thus far if he decided not to run? I know he said he would refund if he didn't run, but would that actually hold up in court? :eek:

He's not getting another penny from me until he commits.

It should hold up. It's a verbal contract that has been recorded.
 
Wow...

I think he may have really hurt himself with this statement....

We all know it's going to take much more than 1.5 million to win this race, and we all know we're going to have to raise more as the election nears. But to dangle yet another fundraising number in front of us without a firm, definite commitment to run is really pushing the envelope.

The economy sucks. How many people here and elsewhere who donated to Ron Paul during the '07 moneybombs are now unemployed, or underemployed, or at the very least, worried about job security? As a country, we've been averaging over half a million job losses monthly for quite some time now.

I think Schiff would have a better chance of raising more money if he were to declare NOW, then urge everyone to donate to a "Turbo Launch" of the campaign. For instance, a "mini-bomb" with a reasonable goal of, say, $300,000 to be spent on a specific directed effort such as a newspaper and/or radio blitz to give Schiff a big boost in name recognition...

As for the present request to hit the 1.5 million mark *before* he declares... well... I figure Peter Schiff has a lot of clients who have a lot more liquid assets than I do at the moment. I'll hope for his sake they can come through with enough contributions to boost him over the 1.5 million mark. But for me, having already tossed more than $100+ into the Schiff (maybe/probably/well-let's-see) campaign, I'm afraid I'm going to have to direct my remaining limited assets toward candidates who have already declared.
 
If Peter had promised to announce at $1 million, that would have been a much more productive statement. $1 million is a very impressive number for the press release. He's already very close to that goal. People would have been much more receptive to that goal. By pushing it up to $1.5, all he really accomplished was to piss off his supporters, as we can see in this thread.

That's the thing about money bombs. You can't do them too often, and you have to set a reasonable goal. Otherwise, people get disappointed by the enormity of the task, and they stop donating. Schiff would actually get MORE donations if he set a more attainable goal.
 
I just hope everyone keeps in mind that this is it. Peter isn't going to attempt another run or run at another time, he has said that many times. This is our one and only shot with him. There is not many Liberty candidates with Peter's potential willing to run for office, so I think we should all have some patience.

He has not ever ran a political campaign before so they are more than likely going to make a few mistakes. Maybe this is a mistake but it is important for the base to stay supportive and keep working to get his name out if he is going to have a chance. I would hate to regret watching this opportunity pass by because many people got angry that he announced at 1.5 instead of 1mill. We all want him to run and we all want him to announce right now or a month ago. I would hope for everyone to try and stay patient and give Peter the benefit of the doubt.
 
I don't understand people like Schiff and Ventura having the gall to tell the movers and shakers of the movement - who literally have nothing, and are willing to have even less - that they need to 'impress' or 'prove' or 'show' their support before they will commit.

I think all caps are warranted here:

IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SIDE OF LIBERTY YOU ARE ON, WE DO.

To hell with the egos of all these self-important bastards.
 
Last edited:
I don't understand people like Schiff and Ventura having the gall to tell the movers and shakers of the movement - who literally have nothing, and are willing to have even less - that they need to 'impress' or 'prove' or 'show' their support before they will commit.

I think all caps are warranted here:

IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SIDE OF LIBERTY YOU ARE ON, WE DO.

To hell with the egos of all these self-important bastards.

^^^ Schiff supporter who was angered by this announcement ^^^
 
I think it is ridiculous for Schiff to expect this. There are many people running with way less and if he can't be happy with what he gets then screw him. He really needs to come off his high horse. He would be a grea asset but we can find another who isn't so damn greedy.
 
That was a good video, I'm sure people will be back on the Schiff bandwagon now.
 
WTF is this shit!? 1.5 Mil?! 20 Mil? Fuk!

Check that video out, he says 1.5 million he will definently run. But it doesn't mean he won't run if we fall short of a million or whatever.

Personally I think once we hit a mill he will be in for good.
 
Nothing he says in any of those videos is a contract of any kind.

If I say I am going to do something and take money in the process and then I don't do it that is fraud. There is no reason to believe that Peter will not return the money if he does not run.
 
Last edited:
this is going to be an expensive primary I think that's why he says he needs more but if he committs to running he's likely to build a campaign and a following more... he should just RUN!
 
You seriously don't think you're going not to get your money back if Peter doesn't run? Do you really think Peter will risk his lifetime of future earnings for 1.5 million dollars?

Hey, we've seen these 'you'll get your money back!' scams before on these forums.

If Peter can successfully swindle another $500,000 out of his previous donors, then I'd say he'll fit right into a lucrative political career.
 
If I say I am going to do something and take money in the process and then I don't do it that is fraud. There is no reason to believe that Peter will not return the money if he does not run.

Actually, there are plenty of reasons to believe that Peter will not return the money. He doesn't have a campaign. Is he the individual receiving the donations? Who processes and handles Peter's donations? If it isn't Peter himself, then, there is the potential to believe that Peter will not return the money if he does not run. He could easily claim that he never received any money. Schiff doesn't even have an exploratory committee or campaign registered with the FEC.

Here's a prime example of how that game is played.

Remember "Draft Schiff"? A moneybomb designed to convince Peter to run for Senate. That was done by PEAC PAC. Here's the FEC's latest update on PEAC PAC. Note that the PAC had many expenditures but no money went anywhere.

POLITICAL EXPLORATION AND AWARENESS COMMITTEE (PEAC)

C00458927 Non-Party Non-Qualified California

Total Receipts: $29,386
Transfers From Authorized: $0
Individual Contributions: $29,386
Other Committee Contributions: $0
Other Loans: $0
Non-Federal Transfers: $0

Total Disbursements: $26,618
Transfers To Authorized: $0
Contributions To Other Committees: $0
Independent Expenditures: $7,557
Coordinated Expenditures: $0
Individual Refunds: $0
Other Committee Refunds: $0
Other Loan Repayments: $0
Non-Federal Expenditures: $0

Beginning Cash: $0
Latest Cash On Hand: $2,767
Debts Owed By: $0

Through: 06/30/2009

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/cancomsrs/?_10+C00458927
 
Back
Top