Zeitgeist Addendum - A Communist plant to divide and conquer - Ed Griffin speaks out!

[Conza88]

I'd like to think I'm more like a Duracell...

Srsly Conza, if you can't display even the slightest bit of civility, don't expect me to waste the day chasing down sources for you. Srsly.

I absolutely stand by my assertion that in regards to "tribes" and geee, what was your term for them again, was it "barbarians?"
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(some ignorant bullshit, i know that much)
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Yeah, I need to work on that. But I tend to get frustrated easily when faced with someone defending Karl Marx directly / indirectly... or his positions..

Marx was a man with a wrong plan, but some incredibly advanced ideas nonetheless.

The death of state IS inevitable.

As is a reversion toward tribalism.

[Both a very good thing IMO (of course, i'm a descendant of the Cherokee so my perspective might be a little skewed in this regard.)]

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You are completely ignorant, as is most of the history and/or the historians (authoring such histories) that you can point to online. Current histories are great if you like some linear, simplified storybook understanding of the universe and the story of man that brought us to here, justifying genocide, etc., but they're bunk if you want to understand what was really going on.

The fact is that as study of what remains of the "tribes," throws our entire concept of their societieS on its head, including the timelines of both arrival and the spread of the MANY people/cultures, all attempts to compartmentalize the REALITY into nifty little charts, maps and graphs are so much academic bullshit....

However, I'm not going to spend the next three hours schooling you on REALITY. I realize it might be difficult for you, what coming from Australia and all, to hop on over to San Antonio and spend a couple of days on the sixth floor chasing down unique, primary documents, but i would suggest that you not even pretend to know much about a subject whose surface you've only begun to scratch (as evidenced by the citations w/in your argument).

Ok, so all my criticisms are unworthy of being addressed... And that's that? lol... right I'm ignorant then apparently... but I'll never know why... ->

That said, until you learn to learn that there is more out there than you or anyone knows about the cultures that were systematically destroyed by philosophically and culturally inferior invaders, it would be absolutely absurd (not to mention tiring and pointless) to spin in circles w/ you as you pepper your argument w/ fken, retard, etc. to bolster your case which is utterly fail and thus relies almost entirely on said insults and foul language.

You do try to understand things of which you are not aware, you do seek out alien information and that's admirable, but if you want the free education try a new approach.

Ok, so these 'communal tribes' invented great stuff etc. but it was always wiped out when these "inferior invaders" took over? Mate, I sometimes add insults but they are never the foundation of my arguments & rebuttals, they don't even come close. Can't I even get one example of one of these communes contributing something to civilization.. or is that not possible, and we'll have to assume they did.. but culturally inferior civilizations (ones with property rights I guess) ruined it all.

Now have a good day, beeyotch

:o You too.

 

[constituent]

Ok, so these 'communal tribes' invented great stuff etc. but it was always wiped out when these "inferior invaders" took over?

Man, am i glad this book is finally hosted online in its entirety.

(thanks for provoking my search!)

If you read this, you will find reference to many of the early expeditions into Texas, including reference to various diaries kept, etc. that will help you begin to form a base of understanding for what things were really like (and a really good feel for the lay of the land in "my area.")

This is ONE place to start (and a small piece of the puzzle.) Let me know when you're done.


Enjoy!

 

[Conza88]

Man, am i glad this book is finally hosted online in its entirety.

(thanks for provoking my search!)

If you read this, you will find reference to many of the early expeditions into Texas, including reference to various diaries kept, etc. that will help you begin to form a base of understanding for what things were really like (and a really good feel for the lay of the land in "my area.")

This is ONE place to start (and a small piece of the puzzle.) Let me know when you're done.

Enjoy!

Ok goodie, reading assignment.. lol

The "Indian Tribes Reported on Spanish Expeditions into Texas, 1689-1768" in the Appendix IV pg 265 - 291.... isn't available in this book..

In the mean time..

It is not the economists who lack the “historical sense” and ignore the factor of evolution, but their critics. The economists have always been fully aware of the fact that the market economy is the product of a long historical process which began when the human race emerged from the ranks of the other primates. The champions of what is mistakenly called “historicism” are intent upon undoing the effects of evolutionary changes. In their eyes everything the existence of which they cannot trace back to a remote past or cannot discover in the customs of some primitive Polynesian tribes is artificial, even decadent. They consider the fact that an institution was unknown to savages as a proof of its uselessness and rottenness. Marx and Engels and the Prussian professors of the Historical School exulted when they learned that private property is “only” a historical phenomenon. For them this was the proof that their socialist plans were realizable.8

Link.

8. The most amazing product of this widespread mode of thought is the book of a Prussian professor, Bernhard Laum (Die geschlossene Wirtschaft [Tübingen, 1933]). Laum assembles a vast collection of quotations from ethnographical writings showing that many primitive tribes considered economic autarky as natural, necessary, and morally good. He concludes from this that autarky is the natural and most expedient state of economic management and that the return to autarky which he advocates is “a biologically necessary process.” (p. 491).

"An autarky is an economy that is self-sufficient and does not take part in international trade, or severely limits trade with the outside world. Likewise it refers to an ecosystem not affected by influences from the outside, which relies entirely on its own resources. In the economic meaning, it is also referred to as a closed economy." Wiki..

The Communal Socialist- Robert LeFevre ... i.e same system as the tribes?

Indians, the Colonials, and Lockean Theory

Economy, Society, and History

Marxism Unmasked - Ludwig Von Mises - in particular;
9TH LECTURE - Foreign Investments and the Spirit of Capitalism

Democracy the God that Failed - Hoppe; Chp 9
On Cooperation, Tribe, City and State

 

[constituent]

The Communal Socialist- Robert LeFevre ... i.e same system as the tribes?

Not all tribes. You see, your perspective is entirely too limited.

W/out a basic understanding of reality, all else is academic b.s.

(and running around in circles... and for what?)

On the book, when you see a source that interests you, that's where the digging begins.

Indians, the Colonials, and Lockean Theory

...and to think that any of them had any right to say one way or the other. So many justifications (and again, academic b.s.)

[blogs don't count. not even on mises]

 

[rayzer]

What a load of paranoid bollocks.

Who is paranoid?