Zeitgeist Addendum - A Communist plant to divide and conquer - Ed Griffin speaks out!

[AutoDas]

From my point of view, the society the movie advocates is closest to anarchy, although I despise that word because it makes things sound like "utter chaos," which is not the case.

Because anarchy is inherently socialist from the get-go. Thanks for playing.

Liberty, in this society, is maximized. You have the free will to persue what you want in life without servitude to a state. The only thing that is shared is the world's resources...and that makes sense, right? Because no one created these sources so they can't claim it as their own, like the sun, and water, and air.

How is this a liberty loving society when you have to ask the world (which is a euphemism for a centralized body) if you can use those resources. Why should I ask their permission since you by the same fallacy see that they have not created those resources.

For example, if you were to build a house in this society, you could custom make a house with 6 levels if that's the preference of you and your family, where in the current system, you have to buy houses pre-made. Few can afford to custom make a house. In the current society, you're as free as the purchasing power you have, so rich people recieve more "freedom" and "favoritism" than the poor. In this society, you can sky-dive or man an airplane if you wish, because money is obselete. You can do what technology allows.

Your Utopia is chained to the same struggle as capitalism and socialism, except capitalism is the system that best allocates resources to their highest priority for full productivity. The Venus Project won't last a day because everyone will deplete the Earth's resources. You have too much faith in technology.

 

[Conza88]

Think, people.

This movie contains a clip of Ron Paul shredding the banking institution. This means that many people who watch this movie are likely to be turned on to Ron Paul, where they will then find a window to the truth about laizess-faire economics, and what an orwellian misnomer the word "capitalism" has become to the current population.

Think, Grimnir Wotansvolk.

Have you actually seen it? rofl. This movie contains a clip of Ron Paul (15 seconds?) of him with a SOUNDBITE talking to Bernanke.. ok, well and good. But the whole point of mentioning him; is so that later in the film - they are able to refer to him again.... their proposition; "Ron Paul would not change anything" "Reject the political system" "Stop being active and fighting the NWO"... that's what it comes down to.

The ONLY reason they showed him in the fed piece, was because if they just randomly showed Ron Paul out of no where and went, Ron Paul can't change anything... give up.... reject the political system.... there is no hope in change there...

Everyone would literally go, ummmmmmm - wtf. Get fcked Zietgeist you piece of trash.

Think, Grimnir, think.

 

[StilesBC]

The film advocated anarcho-communism. Not anarchy in the Rothbardian sense.

It had a very seductive vision of the future with the new MRT systems, total reliance on alternative energies and the elimination of labour from our lives. It did not really go into detail about how that would be structured or who would be left to oversee such systems - only that "the machines would do it." Maybe I'm missing something, but somewhere down the line, humans need to be responsible for the recovery of these resources and in refining them into finished products. And they can either do so out of self-interest (expectation of compensation) or through slavery.

Yes, people acting out of self-interest is the root of all evil. But it is also the root of all good (even a donation to charity is out of self-interest as that person believes they would benefit from a better social environment for everyone.)

Unfortunately, the film takes a valid grievance with our corrupted money system and twists it into a condemnation of anyone acting out of self-interest.

What needs to be emphasized in dispelling this erroneous leap in logic is that corruption, corporate monopolies, and the enslavement of poor nations is not the doing of free-markets, laissez faire policies or deregulation. Rather, it is the doing of government cooperation with businesses that allows this. The film even points this out.

We need to eliminate all coordination and cooperation of business and government and make it punishable by law. Only through this can we reduce the massive advantage large corporations gain by favourable legislation, regulations that seek to discourage competition, and the notion that a large company (Coca-Cola for example) has the backing of the US military when it sets up shop across the world.

I cannot stress the importance of this highly enough. Simply pointing at the greed of corporations as the problem leads people to believe that the best solution is for corporations to be abolished and for government to control everything. This will drive us directly into the hands of the people we are trying to abolish, as they ARE the government. This glaring contradiction should be evident, yet the film makes it without even noticing.

And the filmmakers are not alone in making that contradiction. Socialists in general make it all the time, and the easiest way to argue against more government is in explaining what I have just written to it's advocates. That is, the growth in power by large corporations is only possible with the assistance of government.

 

[Deborah K]

What are the other alternatives? Clearly the current system is in chaos and some fundamental things need to change, in my opinion.

How about strict adherance to our beloved Constitution?

 

[Gigaplex]

Lessons Learned

It's about time this thing died. It is encouraging that there are so many people that were not seduced into becoming anarcho-communists. I saw the movie as a test of this movement's education level. I think overall, we did pretty good. Sure, you'll always have a few that get misdirected but I think that is normal. The majority seemed to recognize problems with this movie right off the bat and reject it.

My only gripe was that the guy at Daily Paul fell for it. Since he is in a leadership position, he really should have taken the time to educate himself. So let's learn a valuable lesson from this. People in leadership positions should be pushed HARD to learn more about liberty and economics. If we see someone in a leadership position, we have a duty to make damn well sure they know their stuff even if they are a good friend. Ask them what they are doing about their education now, not what they plan to do some day. What are they learning now? And make sure they follow through. That's what a true friend and lover of liberty would do.

And certainly if you are in a leadership position: you better be doing your homework

 

[Gigaplex]

Lessons Learned

I think there is one more lesson to glean from all this. The most severely uneducated segment of this movement is faaaaar more likely to watch a video on some educational topic than they are to read a book. All the topics of this movement need to be explained in depth on video in a very presentable way. Right now, we have a pool of random clips to wade through and maybe a few good documentaries and some interviews on specific aspects. This is not good enough. What we have now for video on these topics has clearly proven to be inadequate and is an area I think we need to improve.

 

[Pistis]

Zeitgeist is TRASH. PERIOD.

...from left field it Promotes communism, heavily lies about Christianity and its roots, and is filled with empty emotionalisms designed to manipulate the audience into believing lies.

Just my opinion.

TMike

+1

As Griffin said, Zeitgeist is an enemy within the gates because it mixes in a little bit of the truth with a whole bunch of deceit. People with little discernment will be easily decieved by the message in Zeitgeist Addendum.

And what's the Zeitgeist message: a sophisticated rehash of the communistic propaganda of getting rid of the state, religion, traditional family unit, money and all forms of individual competitiveness in favour of global unification (read: one-world-government) under a benevolent, technologically-advanced elite (read: scientific dictatorship) to eradicate the sickness and bad conditioning we all suffer from and create a reconditioned humanity (read: forced re-education camps).

Mix in a virulent hatred of religion (especially Christianity) while having what can only be described as a religious belief in the idea of a higher-consciousness super-man (read: Man is God) and the idea that evil does not exist (read: the end justifies the means) and there you have the idealogy of Zeitgeist in a nutshell.

Pure lunacy!


BTW: Words in italics are all direct quotes/paraphrases from Peter Joseph, the maker of Zeitgeist

 

[H Roark]

and what's the zeitgeist message: A sophisticated rehash of the communistic propaganda of getting rid of the state, religion, traditional family unit, money and all forms of individual competitiveness in favour of global unification (read: One-world-government) under a benevolent, technologically-advanced elite (read: Scientific dictatorship) to eradicate the sickness and bad conditioning we all suffer from and create a reconditioned humanity (read: Forced re-education camps).

Mix in a virulent hatred of religion (especially christianity) while having what can only be described as a religious belief in the idea of a higher-consciousness super-man (read: Man is god) and the idea that evil does not exist (read: The end justifies the means) and there you have the idealogy of zeitgeist in a nutshell.

Pure lunacy!


Btw: Words in italics are all direct quotes/paraphrases from peter joseph, the maker of zeitgeist

bingo!

 

[wizardwatson]

AJ is right. Zeitgeist is a tool for the NWO agenda. It's trying to hijack the liberty/freedom movement by showing you half the truth (9/11 truth, Fed System, False-Flag ops) while trying to sneak in communism and the Theosophical Society as the one true religion (while claiming all other religions are arcane and out of date).

Read 1984
Read Brave New World

And this "technology can overcome scarcity" crap is just that crap. Only the free market can generate new technology and overcome scarcity. And you can't have worldwide resource 'sharing'. That's called 'government owns everything'.

 

[wizardwatson]

Maybe I should jump on the bandwagon too!!!!

Not.

Karl Marx classic 'Capital' selling well in crisis, publisher says

Linked via HuffingtonPost, imagine that.

Save us Marx!!! ya bastard.

 

[Deborah K]

I thought the first Zeigeist was trash....never bothered to watch the second one.

 

[Deborah K]

I think there is one more lesson to glean from all this. The most severely uneducated segment of this movement is faaaaar more likely to watch a video on some educational topic than they are to read a book. All the topics of this movement need to be explained in depth on video in a very presentable way. Right now, we have a pool of random clips to wade through and maybe a few good documentaries and some interviews on specific aspects. This is not good enough. What we have now for video on these topics has clearly proven to be inadequate and is an area I think we need to improve.

Let's write a book and add a DVD in it.......

 

[raiha]

What a load of paranoid bollocks.

 

[rayzer]

Who is paranoid?

 

[constituent]

Since he is in a leadership position, he really should have taken the time to educate himself. So let's learn a valuable lesson from this. People in leadership positions should be pushed HARD to learn more about liberty and economics. If we see someone in a leadership position, we have a duty to make damn well sure they know their stuff even if they are a good friend. Ask them what they are doing about their education now, not what they plan to do some day. What are they learning now? And make sure they follow through. That's what a true friend and lover of liberty would do.

And certainly if you are in a leadership position: you better be doing your homework

Well said!

I think there is one more lesson to glean from all this. The most severely uneducated segment of this movement is faaaaar more likely to watch a video on some educational topic than they are to read a book. All the topics of this movement need to be explained in depth on video in a very presentable way. Right now, we have a pool of random clips to wade through and maybe a few good documentaries and some interviews on specific aspects. This is not good enough. What we have now for video on these topics has clearly proven to be inadequate and is an area I think we need to improve.

I saw a thing the other day about some people trying to setup a sort of "wiki" site for this sort of thing. The idea is that each person takes a "wiki" page on a topic and links up to various videos that explain the different arguments on the topic at hand. Very interesting concept.

If you have the time/ability, that'd be a great idea to chase down.

 

[constituent]

And this "technology can overcome scarcity" crap is just that crap. Only the free market can generate new technology and overcome scarcity. And you can't have worldwide resource 'sharing'. That's called 'government owns everything'.

No such thing as scarcity, not these days. All scarcity is manufactured, be it through individuals' actions or deliberate inactions.

 

[Conza88]

No such thing as scarcity, not these days. All scarcity is manufactured, be it through individuals' actions or deliberate inactions.

Says the man who would like to return to tribal communes.

@ the AJ needs to learn economics comment. Yeap. You should hear him on his show after the interview [next day]... he did some more research, admitted he was in the wrong as he was thoroughly under prepared.

The other dude did lose the argument though, only alex losing it - makes it seem like he did. Hilarious impersonation on the same day after program.

Also - why did this need to be bumped Rayzer?

 

[constituent]

Says the man who would like to return to tribal communes.

not really an issue of want, nor communes. i knew you didn't get it though, that's why i just moved along. you're too fun when we agree to bother w/ our disagreements.

 

[Conza88]

not really an issue of want, nor communes. i knew you didn't get it though, that's why i just moved along. you're too fun when we agree to bother w/ our disagreements.

Haha, what didn't I get?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1716361&postcount=69
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1716365&postcount=70



{pardon the french in the first one}

 

[constituent]

Haha, what didn't I get?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1716361&postcount=69
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1716365&postcount=70



{pardon the french in the first one}

{pardon the french in the first one}

Srsly Conza, if you can't display even the slightest bit of civility, don't expect me to waste the day chasing down sources for you. Srsly.

I absolutely stand by my assertion that in regards to "tribes" and geee, what was your term for them again, was it "barbarians?"
...
(some ignorant bullshit, i know that much)
...

You are completely ignorant, as is most of the history and/or the historians (authoring such histories) that you can point to online. Current histories are great if you like some linear, simplified storybook understanding of the universe and the story of man that brought us to here, justifying genocide, etc., but they're bunk if you want to understand what was really going on.

The fact is that as study of what remains of the "tribes," throws our entire concept of their societieS on its head, including the timelines of both arrival and the spread of the MANY people/cultures, all attempts to compartmentalize the REALITY into nifty little charts, maps and graphs are so much academic bullshit....

However, I'm not going to spend the next three hours schooling you on REALITY. I realize it might be difficult for you, what coming from Australia and all, to hop on over to San Antonio and spend a couple of days on the sixth floor chasing down unique, primary documents, but i would suggest that you not even pretend to know much about a subject whose surface you've only begun to scratch (as evidenced by the citations w/in your argument).

That said, until you learn to learn that there is more out there than you or anyone knows about the cultures that were systematically destroyed by philosophically and culturally inferior invaders, it would be absolutely absurd (not to mention tiring and pointless) to spin in circles w/ you as you pepper your argument w/ fken, retard, etc. to bolster your case which is utterly fail and thus relies almost entirely on said insults and foul language.

You do try to understand things of which you are not aware, you do seek out alien information and that's admirable, but if you want the free education try a new approach.

I wouldn't have even bothered to respond to your post above, due to the rampant ignorance that seems to rule the day around here anymore, but that you do "get it" by and large, and I think you'll benefit from the constructive criticism, so keep that in mind.

This place is so off these days, there are so few w/ even the remotest sense of a clue, that i don't care to don the asbestos underpants over it, i hardly care to post.

Now have a good day, beeyotch