Your personal favorite Founding Father

[Galileo Galilei]

lol, that is all.

you support property rights, correct?

 

[Jtorsella]

Said and did are two different things. We learned that with Reagan.

Yeah, I know. Truth is, not a single person up there is perfect. Personally, I believe that the declaration and the constitution were much greater than the individuals themselves.

And, off topic, but who the hell voted for Hamilton?

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Against the laws of the Constitution by cutting out Congress. That Napoleon was whom Jefferson bought it from is irrelevant.

err, it was a treaty ratified by over 2/3 of the Senate. Then the House voted for it, too, because monies were required. Ever read the Constitution? Got anything better to do than insult Thomas Jefferson?

 

[PierzStyx]

The French had legal title to the land.

You mean the French had guns. The Indians had right to the land. The French did not. But the French had bigger guns and a bigger mouth. Its actually kind of like saying America has the legal title to Afghanistan. I'm sure the Afghans view it differently.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

who gave them legal title?

The Spanish did.

 

[Jtorsella]

err, it was a treaty ratified by over 2/3 of the Senate. Then the House voted for it, too, because monies were required. Ever read the Constitution? Got anything better to do than insult Thomas Jefferson?

Jefferson himself believed the purchase to be unconstitutional, and unless one interprets the constitution loosely, it is clearly so. He did the purchase anyway because it wan't "practical" to pass an amendment. I love Jefferson, but his presidency was not so great. Still voted for him though.

 

[klamath]

The Spanish did.

and who did the spanish get their legal title from?

 

[Jtorsella]

and who did the spanish get their legal title from?

This.

 

[FreeTraveler]

And, off topic, but who the hell voted for Hamilton?

Probably somebody keeping an eye on us from that "Stop Ron Paul 2012" facebook group. They seem like the Hamiltonian type.

 

[specsaregood]

you support property rights, correct?

actually that is what was funny about your comment. paper does not bestow natural property rights.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

You mean the French had guns. The Indians had right to the land. The French did not. But the French had bigger guns and a bigger mouth. Its actually kind of like saying America has the legal title to Afghanistan. I'm sure the Afghans view it differently.

You sound like a collectivist. There has never been a legal entity know as "the Indians".

 

[klamath]

You sound like a collectivist. There has never been a legal entity know as "the Indians".

what is legal?

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Jefferson himself believed the purchase to be unconstitutional, and unless one interprets the constitution loosely, it is clearly so. He did the purchase anyway because it wan't "practical" to pass an amendment. I love Jefferson, but his presidency was not so great. Still voted for him though.

James Madison told him it was Constitutional.

 

[BuddyRey]

Patrick Henry wins my vote, just by virtue of the fact that he wasn't a politician.

 

[Jtorsella]

James Madison told him it was Constitutional.

And James Madison's term saw the first tariff that was overtly protective. Jefferson and Madison were not terrific presidents.

 

[PierzStyx]

err, it was a treaty ratified by over 2/3 of the Senate. Then the House voted for it, too, because monies were required. Ever read the Constitution? Got anything better to do than insult Thomas Jefferson?

Here is a text link to the Constitution. Show me where the Federal Government is authorized to make such a purchase. http://constitutionus.com/

I'll save you the effort. It doesn't. Jefferson violated his own beliefs and circumvented the amendment process to buy the land. In other words he was only an Anti-Federalist when it was convenient. To add to it the US didn't even HAVE teh money to make the purchase. So Jefferson borrowed money from Britain to do it! On top of that he didn't deal with the actual landowners, the Natives, but bought it from the French. That is like be buying land in Afghanistan from the US Government while ignoring the man whose family has lived there for 300yrs. The US doesn't own Afghanistan and the French didn't own the West. What were the effects of Jefferson's decision to go against his own philosophy concerning a strict interpretation of the Constitution? It can be argued that his taking liberties with the Constitution in the name of need and expediency would lead to future Presidents feeling justified with a continual increase in the elasticity of Article I, Section 8, Clause 18.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

and who did the spanish get their legal title from?

That's not legally relevant in a good faith transaction, the US bought the territory from France, not Spain. You would have to prove that Spain did not have legal title.

 

[SisCyn]

Franklin!

Scientist, inventor, diplomat, community organizer, publisher, musician.

Benjamin Franklin is the only founding father to have signed all four of the key documents establishing the U.S.: the Declaration of Independence (1776), the Treaty of Alliance with France (1778), the Treaty of Paris establishing peace with Great Britain (1783) and the U.S. Constitution (1787).

http://www.history.com/videos/meet-benjamin-franklin#meet-benjamin-franklin

 

[green73]

Robert Yates
http://mises.org/daily/2335

 

[PierzStyx]

You sound like a collectivist. There has never been a legal entity know as "the Indians".

But there were individual Indian nations, which were legal entities recognized by the US Government. Its why we made TREATIES with them. And they lived there first. It was their individual nation's national property. Taking it against their consent is morally and legally wrong. I'm not a collectivist but you sound like an idiot.