your ideal

[noxagol]

My ideal country:

-Government maintains three functions 1) National defense 2)Law enforcement 3)Courts

-National defense is funded through a tax based on land area as this is the largest factor in the consideration of a force's ability to defend said area. The bigger it is, the harder it is, therefore the more it will cost. Also, consider if all the land were owned by a single person, and they were to pay a third party to defend it. This would most likely how the price would be derived.

-All funding for law enforcement is conducted on a pay per service instead of constant taxation and has an oversight court that deals with complaints and objections an individual may have with the conduct of officer(s) that respond to his/her call. This does two things 1)It holds the police directly accountable for their actions and must respond to all calls for help and actually do a good job or they don't get paid. 2) Creates incentive for people to take ample measures to deter crime against them and their property as this could potentially save them vasts amount of money down the road because of the lack of paying the police constantly. Third party organizations would also be allowed given that they are bound by the same rules of operation and oversight as the government police are.

-The only form of gun control will exist over weapons that cannot be reasonably limited in damage to the intended target. This allows for just about any fire arm or military weapon except for NBC weapons or large scale bombs. The purpose of weapons is self-defense, against both criminals and government (so just crmiinals really ) If the effect of the weapon you are attempting to use cannot be limited to just those that you have just cause of attacking in a reasonable fashion then it is not fullfililng its purpose as solely self defense.

-All other laws can be summed up in one line. No individual or group of individuals may cause physical harm onto the property of another individual or group of individuals nor can any individual or group of individuals attempt to take the property of another individual or group of individuals without their prior consent.

-All punishment for crimes are to be focused not on punishment but on compensation to the victim in proportion with the violation upon the victims property that occured. If such compensation cannot be given or compensation is not sufficiently possible in any given case, then a prison sentence term shall be assigned that is in proportion with the remainder of compensation owed or the scale of the crime. Prisons are to be 100% self sufficient and not rely on tax money.

-The death penalty will only be ascribed in cases of cold blooded murder. All other cases of homicide will be replaced with a prison sentence and/or compensation to the next of kin of the victim(s).


Other than that, anything goes for the most part. I may have left a thing or two out I can't remember right now lol.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

What about the right to choose their own form of government. Do you not recall that just government draws it's authority only from the consent of the governed? And let us not forget that the only purpose of government is to secure the rights of it's citizens. Without courts or police, your government does no such thing.

Don't take it personally. Obviously this wasn't a serious governmental proposal, but we can still discuss theoretically.

Well, it's my country. They can leave, if they want This is my transitional government, we haven't setup the judical system..yet.

 

[asgardshill]

I think I'd go for the Galactic Empire model myself. Pretty much a Machiavellian paradise, at least for me. It would suck for everybody else, but hey this is MY fantasy, not yours.

 

[hypnagogue]

National defense is funded through a tax based on land area as this is the largest factor in the consideration of a force's ability to defend said area. The bigger it is, the harder it is, therefore the more it will cost. Also, consider if all the land were owned by a single person, and they were to pay a third party to defend it. This would most likely how the price would be derived.

That's not a half bad idea... The expense of such taxes would also be passed along to tenants, so those living on another's land will still pay a share. Although, it just occurred to me that a problem may arise with land abandonment. Say you own a piece of land out in the middle of nowhere. There's little option to make the land productive, but you are still paying taxes on it. Further, it would be difficult to sell the land, since it is of so little value. It could be better to tax based upon the value of the land, with a minimum threshold. Thus, useless land out in the boonies would be cheap enough that no taxation would be required, but should the area develop and raise the value of the land, the owner would be encouraged to either develop it or sell it to someone else who would.

-All funding for law enforcement is conducted on a pay per service instead of constant taxation and has an oversight court that deals with complaints and objections an individual may have with the conduct of officer(s) that respond to his/her call. This does two things 1)It holds the police directly accountable for their actions and must respond to all calls for help and actually do a good job or they don't get paid. 2) Creates incentive for people to take ample measures to deter crime against them and their property as this could potentially save them vasts amount of money down the road because of the lack of paying the police constantly. Third party organizations would also be allowed given that they are bound by the same rules of operation and oversight as the government police are.

This I think has some issues. For starters it tends to be low income areas which suffer the most crime. It would be crippling to burden them with the costs of protection when it is not even they who are the offenders. Which is my second objection, which I'll put in the form of a suggestion; would it not be immeasurably better to charge the offender for the costs involved in his prosecution? Of course, not all justified police action results in a successful prosecution, and so you will not always have someone to charge. I don't think a just police agency could be sustained in such a manner. A per head tax seems to me much more just and reasonable. Certainly, you can supplement that with charges to offenders found guilty.

The only form of gun control will exist over weapons that cannot be reasonably limited in damage to the intended target. This allows for just about any fire arm or military weapon except for NBC weapons or large scale bombs. The purpose of weapons is self-defense, against both criminals and government (so just crmiinals really ) If the effect of the weapon you are attempting to use cannot be limited to just those that you have just cause of attacking in a reasonable fashion then it is not fullfililng its purpose as solely self defense.

Examples?

All other laws can be summed up in one line. No individual or group of individuals may cause physical harm onto the property of another individual or group of individuals nor can any individual or group of individuals attempt to take the property of another individual or group of individuals without their prior consent.

This, unfortunately, can become extremely complicated. There are so many, many ways someone can both positively and negatively affect another person, that it still takes considerable intellect to discern what negatively affecting actions are to be disallowed, and which are to be allowed.

All punishment for crimes are to be focused not on punishment but on compensation to the victim in proportion with the violation upon the victims property that occured. If such compensation cannot be given or compensation is not sufficiently possible in any given case, then a prison sentence term shall be assigned that is in proportion with the remainder of compensation owed or the scale of the crime. Prisons are to be 100% self sufficient and not rely on tax money.

What then, should be done about the rich? Should they be able to commit crimes and simply pay the pittance required by law? Consider even the possibility that someone might devise a business model which relied upon committing crimes against others, but that was so lucrative the fair compensation could simply be factored in. Certainly that shouldn't be allowed. Or what if there were some sick, rich people that enjoyed bulldozing people's houses for fun? "Pay $1,000,000 and get to ruin this guy's home? Hell yeah!"

The flip side of that is the poor would be frequently jailed for crimes that other people can simply ignore. That would be a truly horrid condition.

You see, time is the great equalizer. We all receive but one lifetime, and the hours of a rich man can only be more valuable than the hours of a poor man. Restitution can only be half the equation. I firmly believe a loss of precious time is due punishment and deterrence.

I fully agree that prisons should cease to be nasty places you spend your sentence sitting around in. They need to be work places. Of course, the government is very bad at turning a profit, so it would be better if their labor could be leased out to private entrepreneurs.

The death penalty will only be ascribed in cases of cold blooded murder. All other cases of homicide will be replaced with a prison sentence and/or compensation to the next of kin of the victim(s).

Personally, I trust no government well enough to mete out life and death to it's citizens. To take the life of even one innocent human being is intolerable in my opinion. False imprisonment is bad enough. Think of the years wasted and all the experiences a person misses. All they can give you in return is money. That is indeed a very poor substitute for stolen youth.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

My country would look something like this:

- All armed citizens.
- If you murder for any reason besides self-defense, you will be killed. slowly. publicly.
- Child pornography/child molestation/rape will not be tolerated. They would be first castrated then they will live their life being scientific experiments. Guinea pigs.
- If you steal and aren't shot by the owner first, you go to prison. You eat moldy bread and only enough water to keep you alive.
- You earn your living. If you can't work (disabled, pregnant, senior citizen), other citizens will help you. If you REFUSE to work... you get a bullet in your head. Welfare won't exist.
- Grow our own food.
- All natural medicine. No man-made crap that doesn't work and has tons of side effects.

... yeah, I'm in a bad mood, because I'm sick and light-headed. So really, I don't know what I just wrote.

sounds good to me.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

no scientologists

 

[T-K]

Im thankfull to live in America after reading this thread

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I think I'd go for the Galactic Empire model myself. Pretty much a Machiavellian paradise, at least for me. It would suck for everybody else, but hey this is MY fantasy, not yours.

That was actually my idea. The Confederacy of Independent System's (CIS) model sounds better, to me I loved them in the prequels.

 

[Alex Libman]

Utopianism is dangerous. One can talk about what can be done in the context of an existing society to improve it, and one can have an optimistic long-term vision, but detaching your vision from reality completely, as if it is a painting limited only by your imagination, is a completely different matter.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Utopianism is dangerous. One can talk about what can be done in the context of an existing society to improve it, and one can have an optimistic long-term vision, but detaching your vision from reality completely, as if it is a painting limited only by your imagination, is a completely different matter.

I take it you haven't watched the STAR WARS prequels? The CIS was backstabbed and the CIS leadership was murdered by Darth Vader on Mustafar. so umm not very utopian

 

[FindLiberty]

Hey Boss (JosephTheLibertarian), want me to "take care of" all these complainers for ya?

 

[Renegades]

My country would look something like this:

- All armed citizens.
- If you murder for any reason besides self-defense, you will be killed. slowly. publicly.
- Child pornography/child molestation/rape will not be tolerated. They would be first castrated then they will live their life being scientific experiments. Guinea pigs.
- If you steal and aren't shot by the owner first, you go to prison. You eat moldy bread and only enough water to keep you alive.
- You earn your living. If you can't work (disabled, pregnant, senior citizen), other citizens will help you. If you REFUSE to work... you get a bullet in your head. Welfare won't exist.
- Grow our own food.
- All natural medicine. No man-made crap that doesn't work and has tons of side effects.

... yeah, I'm in a bad mood, because I'm sick and light-headed. So really, I don't know what I just wrote.

Quite dangerous precedents in a free society.

 

[revolutionman]

your ideal country that YOU run?

The original post as quoted above indicates that your country would be some sort of authoritarian state, with YOU as the ruler. Under this guideline I will move forward outlining Government, citizenship, taxation, law, and education.

I would be the Despot or Dictator, and then there would be a congress or senate made up of publicly elected officials with some limited powers in legislation, in their provinces, and on a national level. My citizens would be as free as can be, with laws only in place against violent crimes and various forms of theft. They would be taxed based on the products they buy, services they use, and roadways they travel.

Law...
Unjustified deliberate homicide = Death
Rape and Child Molestation = Life
Political Corruption = Life
Falsified News reporting = 20 years
White Collar crime = 20 years
Theft = between 30 days and 15 years depending on the details of the crime.
Assault = same as theft

Drugs are legal, being a useless bum is not, its punishable by two years in prison where you will work 5 hours every day of the week, every day of the year except the 5 day period in April that stretches from tax day to 4/20 with my birthday in the middle. You will be paid, and then you will pay rent and utilities every month you will buy your own food and clothes from the commissary, you will pay for your mattress and pillow and bedsheets. if your payment is late, or if you refuse to comply you will be savagely beaten. if you fail to clean your act up on the outside, you will be re incarcerated and savagely beaten some more.

Insulting me = I get to come to your house and punch you one time, in the mouth. Second offense, I sell you on E Bay like a used car stereo system.

The Goat = I get to call you a homo and kick you four times in the ass... wait thats something else...

Education is public, and every graduate has to be certified in a trade or craft, but is still encouraged to go to college.

There will be no minimum wage but there will be labor unions.

We would have a state religion, and the main principal of that religion is that you can believe whatever the hell you'd like, but cannot attempt to convert anyone else.

I'm going to watch TV now.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

NO GINGERS

 

[Kludge]

NO GINGERS

I didn't mind ginger ale all that much...

 

[Kludge]

While we're making up authoritarian death traps....

My secondary country (where all the raw materials are harvested for the utopia) will hold all criminals, political dissidents and antichrists.... and members of Scientology.


The Twelve Directives:

1. Harvest at maximum efficiency. The lives of others depend on you. Loafing is punishable by death or ((x+y)/h) lashes where x=minutes the death star appears in the last episode of something with a death star, y=% cloud coverage and h=1.

2. The "I Have A Scream" speech by VP Howard Dean must be recited when the sun is highest in the sky 10 times in a monotonous style.

3. Fedora hats and plaid overshirts must be worn at all times. Failure to do so will result in an immediate lobotomy conducted by Europeans in scary crow costumes.

4. No pants may be present on your person at any time during... inspection.

5. You must abide by the state religion, Kludgism, the worship of those living in the Utopian world so that you do not envy them.

6. Fashion designers will be shot no less then 10 times upon notice, no matter their sexual orientation.

7. When addressed, you will say "I would like campaign finance reform in New Zealand."... OR ELSE!

8. Praise of Poland is not permitted for any reason. Violators will be stapled alive to a giant billboard.

9. Committing aggression is the forfeiture of your rights. Unless you regional officer(s) request your presence, the victim of your aggression is legally justified in doing whatever they feel as reasonable punishment.

10. The igniting of ANY materials anywhere on the planet is punishable by death.

11. The drinking of ANY substance anywhere on the planet is permitted.

12. Yawning is not permitted in public and is punishable by death.


Failure to abide by any of these not-so-much-directives-but-outlines-as-to-the-legal-consequences-of-your-actions will result in the throwing of sand at your eyes.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

I didn't mind ginger ale all that much...

by "gingers" i met kids with red hair and freckles.

there's something not right about them.....

 

[electronicmaji]

I've been thinking about this for a while...


if i had my own country it would have the following constitution (Which is not fully complete)

1) The government exists to protect and ensure the freedoms and rights of everyone.

2) The pursuit of happiness is one of those rights except when the actions taken to achieve happiness infringe upon the freedoms or rights of another being.

3) Everyone has a right to affordable and efficient healthcare. They have the right to be free of worry or care about cost, coverage, and quality of service. They have the freedom to opt-out of government subsidized healthcare.
4) Everyone has a right to basic nourishment. They have the right to be free of hunger and worry.
5) Everyone has a right to a basic and advanced education. They have the freedom to choose what school they attend.

6) Everyone has a right to say, print, and distribute; upon their own property and on public property any material they see fit except for when the material was created via the infringement of others rights and freedoms.
7) Everyone has a right to assemble and peacefully protest, on public and private property; except when infringing on the rights and freedom of others.
8) Everyone has a right to live and interact freely; except for when they infringe on others rights and freedoms. Life is therefore defined to begin at the start of the second trimester.

9) The government does not have the right to take anyone’s life. The only acceptable defense for any private citizen taking another’s life is self-defense.
10) An exception to the above is granted during a time of war; such as any soldier, private citizen, or public official, as seen fit by the government and a court of law; may take the life of any aggressor, enemy, or traitor.
11) The definition of traitor for the above statement specifically refers to one whom with malicious intent sabotages or attempts to sabotage any operation.

12) When possible a soldier, private citizen, or public official should not kill but capture aggressors, enemies, or traitors.

13) The rights for any captured aggressor, enemy, or traitor are those set forth by international accords; and in the case that local rights superseed those accords; those rights will also be extended to the captured. Prisoners have a right to a fair trial as soon as possible and a speedy execution when deemed fit. They also have a right to not be tortured or be forced to suffer any cruel and unusual punishment

 

[FreeMo P48]

Whose right will it be to provide affordable health care, basic nourishment and basic and advanced education?

Beware the illusion of freedom!
Beware the freedom of illusion!

 

[electronicmaji]

Whose right will it be to provide affordable health care, basic nourishment and basic and advanced education?

Beware the illusion of freedom!
Beware the freedom of illusion!

The goverment most likely.