your ideal

[JosephTheLibertarian]

your ideal country that YOU run? What would it look like?

What's the most simplistic forms of taxation? I was thinking tariffs, and tolls, yes?

How about an migration tax? The military stops everyone on the borders, once in custody the person/people are taxed before they are allowed entry into the country? Maybe the military could even sit outside airports and do the exact same thing.

Other than that, what are some of the most simplistic tax systems?

I'm actually more in favor of voluntary contributions as an alternative to taxation. The government would then be able to use the contributions in order to function. I'm not talking about just pieces of paper. I'm talking about ANYTHING of value, the government would accept it all, maybe hold the noncurrency contributions in warehouses for future use, or auction.

As far as GOVERNMENT goes, I'd prefer myself to be a despot. That's what I'd prefer anyway. I would be in control of everything, but I would leave the economy alone. I'd let the free market work, I wouldn't have any government whatsoever, just me. I would probably appoint closet friends and relatives to duties that they're interested in, ambassador is about all I can think of. I would havea loyal cabinet to discuss how to better structure the military, we should also retire respected military officials so that they don't decide one day they might want t seize power. So it would be wise imo to retire threats of that nature.

The only thing I can think of that I would outlaw in the economy is the right of private military technology companies to sell or give cutting edge technology to other governments. I think I would be against that. I would be the only judge in the country. Criminals would be sent to me, I would listen to the defense and I would come to a conclusion. If found guilty, I would either choose to take possessions or I would sentence them to a few years of hard labor. That would basically be working on government projects, stuff like that. If I want a base built somewhere, we're going to use them to do most of the grunt work. I would also hear and decide on lawsuits, I think the victim should be the one to make the charge and request what they want in a victorious outcome. I would then decide the case, then I would decide what he/she receives if the case is wo by the victim. I might even make some counterlawsuit decisions in some cases.

I would meet with owners of companies and scientists and discuss possible research projects. For example, STAR WARS technology, I might say, "ok. Let's start a project, you will be in charge and I'll allocate funds for you." Just an example.

Here's a list

• no death penalty
• I would be the despot
• no police, there would just be military
• military would be voluntary
• I would consider implementing some sort of court system once things get a bit..much
• I would allow drug use
• I would crack down hard on any child molestation that I find to be the case
• my successor would be whoever I think it should be
• I would not implement any tax system. voluntry contributions
• no national currency
• I would go to war if threatened or if I see a good opportunity
• I would develop nukes for self defense
• I would allow citizens to own military technology, but if they are showin signs of hostility towards us, we would probably kill whoever is perpetrating this
• we would have a very top/down thought up military ranking system. some of my advisors would be military leaders, they would advise me on what changes we need. I might also put the military in charge of the judicial system, but any law I don't would not exist
• I would have a very extensive spy network loyal to me
• I would allow anyone to marry. no marriage licenses
• no license to drive
• no public roads
• the oly time I would consider building a road is if the military needs to get around more efficiently

That's all I canthink of right now. I'm not an expert in judicial/tax systems, so tat's why I asked about simplistic models. I don't really now much how to implement everything all by my lonesome

 

[hypnagogue]

I don't want to live in your country.

 

[amy31416]

I would probably appoint closet friends and relatives to duties that they're interested in, ambassador is about all I can think of.

Something you need to confess, Joseph?

 

[Kludge]

It'd have <100 people (by my invite) and be run on machines & solar power. $100,000 entry fee but you'd truly be set for life once you join.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

My country would look something like this:

- All armed citizens.
- If you murder for any reason besides self-defense, you will be killed. slowly. publicly.
- Child pornography/child molestation/rape will not be tolerated. They would be first castrated then they will live their life being scientific experiments. Guinea pigs.
- If you steal and aren't shot by the owner first, you go to prison. You eat moldy bread and only enough water to keep you alive.
- You earn your living. If you can't work (disabled, pregnant, senior citizen), other citizens will help you. If you REFUSE to work... you get a bullet in your head. Welfare won't exist.
- Grow our own food.
- All natural medicine. No man-made crap that doesn't work and has tons of side effects.

... yeah, I'm in a bad mood, because I'm sick and light-headed. So really, I don't know what I just wrote.

 

[amy31416]

- Child pornography/child molestation/rape will not be tolerated. They would be first castrated then they will live their life being scientific experiments. Guinea pigs.


... yeah, I'm in a bad mood, because I'm sick and light-headed. So really, I don't know what I just wrote.

Crabby or not, I'm moving to your country. Have room for a benevolent version of Dr. Mengele?

 

[constituent]

One law:

Don't shoot at me and I won't shoot back.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

'Course Amy. You could be the one doing the experiments

 

[malkusm]

My ideal country:

-The death penalty does exist for murderers and violent criminals.

-The prison system would pay for itself: criminals would engage in meaningful work, contributing to society to make up for their living expenses while in the system.

-Taxes would be imposed directly on goods and services, and each tax rendered would collect the money for a fund independent from the rest of the government. Example: Revenues of a gasoline tax or toll booth would go to a fund which could only be used for maintaining state-owned roadways.

-Because of the above point, the government would need to specifically cite a reason for taxation, and make completely transparent the reasons for such taxation. The only exception would be:

-A sales tax of 1% of ALL goods and services would be rendered to pay for the operations of government. This would pay the salaries of elected officials (I don't consider this stealing since citizens are allowed to freely vote of said officials, and since this is one of the few things taxed, they may therefore be more inclined to ensure that a good representative is chosen).

-No law will be made on what will or will not be accepted as currency or payment. The government may circulate their own currency if they so choose (by legislative procedure).

-The highest law of the land would require all bills to be read aloud to the legislature before voting. This would either keep them short (thereby keeping their purpose clear) or would slow down the legislative branch so much that they might pass 2 bills per year.

I can probably answer any questions on my govt. if anyone has any. I probably have an opinion on anything and everything, but these are just my important points.

 

[Kludge]

'Course Amy. You could be the one doing the experiments

GML in charge and Amy conducting experiments on the citizens.... Sign me up!

 

[amy31416]

'Course Amy. You could be the one doing the experiments

Sweet, I'll stock up on catheters and scalpels. Won't be needing any ether.

 

[FindLiberty]

CLOSE ENOUGH!

JosephTheLibertarian, will you be my benevolent dictator?

 

[Fox McCloud]

-any form of government action that is taken part in my the public is billed to each person (or family) that engages in said service---if you take part in no governmental services, then you will never be billed for anything.
-gold or silver backed currency
-death penalty via public hanging (not the kind where the neck snaps either--I'm talking death by asphyxiation) for debasing, in any form, the monetary.
-Fractional Reserve banking is illegal
-bi-monthly fund-raiser+auction sale to fund the military
-encourage all able-body citizens to serve in the military, but promise never to go to war unless we're attacked first.
-immigration is encouraged, but each person entering the country is heavily scrutinized.
-if you can work, but refuse and you're found trespassing on private or public property, you will be jailed and will be put to work for private-corporations that bid on you for various menial jobs (cleaning out sewers, etc).
-have a yearly "know your government" program whereby all documents not pertaining to national security are released to the public
-the government will own one and ONLY one national television and radio station, in which the sole purpose of such is to raise voluntary funds, inform people on possible threats so the militia can prepare, and to tell various lame jokes from time to time.
-all drugs will be allowed, but harming another individual while high or impaired will have very very VERY low tolerance for.
-once you hit the age of 21, you will undergo compulsory 4 weeks compulsory gun training that fits within your time schedule (probably one of my only coercive actions on the citizenry that isn't linked with committing a crime)--training will not be required if a citizen shows adequate knowledge in how to operate and fire several different weapons and can pass a written test.
-All States and municipalities are forbidden from entering into a single-company contract with a phone, cable, or any other telecommunications company--if the market will bear more than 2 phone companies, then 2 will exist.
-There will be a national holiday for Larry McDonald and Ron Paul.

can't think of any more ATM, but those are things off the top of my head.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

CLOSE ENOUGH!

JosephTheLibertarian, will you be my benevolent dictator?

Sure thing

I'll give you a nice cushy job. Actually, I think I'd like to be the one guy in a matriarchal society of several million women. That would be fun.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I don't want to live in your country.

Why not?

I wonder if the free market would create roads in my nation. If not, then I'd have to use penal labor and military to get some needed projects done. Prisoners would be able to petition me to reduce/eliminate their sentences. All government created infrastructure would be to the benefit of the state, the people would run the economy without any state interference, so that means they would have to create their own roads, bridges, railroads, schools,etc. if they choose to use mine, they'll have to pay a usage fee.

All rebel forces will be annihilated.

• abortion will be legal
• strategic bases will exist all over the nation
• navy will patrol the waters
• we'll also hve a strong airforce
• we would have a strong state spac eprgram but we will allow private space projects, that's fine
• prostitution and gambling will be legal
• state will have its own cast telephone and internet network. the people will have to create their own via free market

 

[hypnagogue]

Why not?

Because...

• I would be the despot
• no police, there would just be military
• I would consider implementing some sort of court system once things get a bit..much
• my successor would be whoever I think it should be
• I would not implement any tax system. voluntry contributions
• no public roads
• I would have a very extensive spy network loyal to me

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Because...

yes, I want to knows things are secure in my nation. I will adopt future measures to better consolidate. We might implement some sort of flat tax system once we figure out..how. I don't know how myself, that's why I didn't bring it up. There will never be representative government--sorry. I can't allow anti-free market factions to ruin the nation, however, it will be very free. I just need to know I have everything under my control.

I'll create a "suggestion box" for the people. I'll have each and every message read to me.

 

[hypnagogue]

I can't allow anti-free market factions to ruin the nation, however, it will be very free.

Isn't it noteworthy that you consider a Free Market more important than a Free People?

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Isn't it noteworthy that you consider a Free Market more important than a Free People?

How are they not free? I didn't take any of their rights away. Other political theories have been tried throughout history and are inferior, so we will not tolerate their presence any longer.

1. one nation
2. one government
3. one direction

 

[hypnagogue]

How are they not free? I didn't take any of their rights away.

What about the right to choose their own form of government. Do you not recall that just government draws it's authority only from the consent of the governed? And let us not forget that the only purpose of government is to secure the rights of it's citizens. Without courts or police, your government does no such thing.

Don't take it personally. Obviously this wasn't a serious governmental proposal, but we can still discuss theoretically.