You Tube Ad Contest: Ron Paul Superbowl Commercial

I'm a little concerned about the "Agency commission" thingy, but everything else seems decent.

It leaves out their salary and "expense accounts".

However, as promised per the web site, we can form a committee and have full access to all of the financial records.

It does stipulate that only the committe with the highest numbers of CPA's will receive access.

However, one doesn't need to be a CPA to add up 2+2.

And even if the committee doesn't have any CPAs, it will still be the committee with the highest number of CPAs.

I have formed a committee. Others are invited to join.

As no other committees have been formed, I formally ask for full access to all company financial records.
 
It leaves out their salary and "expense accounts".

However, as promised per the web site, we can form a committee and have full access to all of the financial records.

It does stipulate that only the committe with the highest numbers of CPA's will receive access.

However, one doesn't need to be a CPA to add up 2+2.

And even if the committee doesn't have any CPAs, it will still be the committee with the highest number of CPAs.

I have formed a committee. Others are invited to join.

As no other committees have been formed, I formally ask for full access to all company financial records.


You should be granted access to the files.

Funny how much mistrust there is for this project. I think they brought it on themselves very early on, by trying to tack on large salaries to the blimp. Ever since then, they have been on the defense.
 
John Fogerty is not dead yet... and the copyright will extend 70 years past his death.

Fogerty recently resigned with the company that owns the rights and they are a no-go. We are currently reviewing other songs/looking for professional royalty free music.

K
 
BUMP

how much money has been raised? i cant find it on the site. and have we had any progress on picking the actual commercial yet?

$1415 Google (5:30pm)
$600 PayPal (3:00am today)

I'm going to go back in to check shortly.
 
mcKarnin,

1. Will the ads be run on the same channel as the SuperBowl will be on?
2. What will the overhead cost of your "advertising" company, be to we the supporters, to serve as the financial pass-thru for the super bowl ad? Please estimate dollars.
3. It is mentioned on your website that some advertising slots have already been secured. Would you please point me where we can find information on networks and time slots for these secured slots?
4. Are the "slots" that you have already secured, 30 second time slots, or 60 second time slots?

Thank you.

30 second slots, Fox stations (Fox has the Super Bowl this year), the cost for us to work on this is completely taken care of by the standard agency commission that is paid from TV stations to those who book commercials, we will be posting more information shortly on the whens and wheres of our reservations.

K
 
You should be granted access to the files.

Funny how much mistrust there is for this project. I think they brought it on themselves very early on, by trying to tack on large salaries to the blimp. Ever since then, they have been on the defense.

My first issue to investigate is where the money came from to pay salaries and expenses

since monies were collected under the stipulation that the money was going exclusively to buy advertising time, not to pay salaries and expenses.
 
WILL YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK IF THEY CANNOT FUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT?
Since this project is composed of many individual ad buys in different markets we can commit to ads and pay them $1000, $1,500, $5,000 at a time to each individual station. Some pre-game slots are as little as $500, that means that there will not be "leftover" money..except for some amount under $499 which we can throw towards other RP advertising.

WHAT CHANNEL DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?
All the ads will be on Fox owned Fox stations or Fox affiliate stations. We'll decide tomorrow what the benefit/downside ratio is on total disclosure of the markets we are advertising in. We will certainly be fleshing this all out with more information over the course of the next few days.

WHAT TIME DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

Ideally, during the Super Bowl. Some markets no longer have Super Bowl time available, or it is VERY expensive. In those markets we may decide to take a pre-game slot or advertise during the meet the candidates special on Fox that will be running from 9am-12noon.

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY TAKING FOR THEMSELVES?

The only money we'll get from this project is the standard Agency Commission that television stations pay to people who sell advertising. The rate they quote us for the ads is the exact amount you all will pay and it already includes the commission they pay.

I don't know too much about buying time for the Super bowl. So I looked it up.

Last year, when things were cheaper than they will be this year, thirty seconds of air time during the game cost $2.7 million dollars per thirty seconds. This year I read it will be three million dollars for thirty seconds. http://www.startribune.com/nation/13950051.html

What kind of ads are you buying that cost $500? You say prior to the Super Bowl - how prior?

And are you talking about Fox cable channels? Are these ads going to be run in local markets?


Look - I think the idea of an ad during the superbowl might be good. I have no idea since I am not a marketing expert and have no idea if the money is worth what you get out of it. I would love to see an excellently made sixty second commercial aired nationally during the first quarter of the superbowl. That would cost around six million dollars - if any time slots are left.

I could even get behind this project if you would just say when you are going to air these commercials, on what stations, how much money exactly are you going to make off of this (there are lots of others around here who have been working on this and I want to know why to pay you when they are doing it because they love Ron Paul and are not taking a dime.)

But please, give some specifics - I just don't see how you can run an ad on any station for five hundred bucks. Are these local stations? Are these cable stations?

I think a lot of people here are under the impression that they will be at home watching the super bowl and see these ads. I am getting the impression that will not happen. Certainly not for five hundred dollars.

Good luck to you all. I hope you can pull this off.

Are you planning on having a counter showing how much has been raised? That usually helps bring in the money. Perhaps you could have an FAQ section on your site that explains things better so you won't be bothered with the same questions over and over.

Thank you for answering those questions. I looked and looked and missed them. I do greatly apologize to you.
 
It leaves out their salary and "expense accounts".

However, as promised per the web site, we can form a committee and have full access to all of the financial records.

It does stipulate that only the committe with the highest numbers of CPA's will receive access.

However, one doesn't need to be a CPA to add up 2+2.

And even if the committee doesn't have any CPAs, it will still be the committee with the highest number of CPAs.

I have formed a committee. Others are invited to join.

As no other committees have been formed, I formally ask for full access to all company financial records.

I think that is an excellent idea. I don't see any need to form any competing committees. One will do. Will you please post the information for all to see so that people can feel comfortable donating. I fear given past actions that a lot of people distrust LPA and are not comfortable giving them a ton of money when they don't know what it is for, or how much money they are taking out of this project.

I think the biggest problem people here have is that all the rest of us work 100 hours per week or as much as we can for Ron Paul and have never asked for a dime. Heck, we donate money to the campaign as well as working our butts off. So, when someone comes in, with no experience at all, just another one of us who wants to help and then expects to get a great deal of money for doing so it irks a lot of us who would do this for nothing.

I called my local Fox station to see about ad time before or after the Superbowl - I live in a Super Tuesday state. When they get back to me about rates I will let you know. I don't charge a penny to help Ron Paul.
 
I think that is an excellent idea. I don't see any need to form any competing committees. One will do. Will you please post the information for all to see so that people can feel comfortable donating. I fear given past actions that a lot of people distrust LPA and are not comfortable giving them a ton of money when they don't know what it is for, or how much money they are taking out of this project.

I think the biggest problem people here have is that all the rest of us work 100 hours per week or as much as we can for Ron Paul and have never asked for a dime. Heck, we donate money to the campaign as well as working our butts off. So, when someone comes in, with no experience at all, just another one of us who wants to help and then expects to get a great deal of money for doing so it irks a lot of us who would do this for nothing.

I called my local Fox station to see about ad time before or after the Superbowl - I live in a Super Tuesday state. When they get back to me about rates I will let you know. I don't charge a penny to help Ron Paul.

You may have noticed that Katherine completely ignored my previous questions and also the request for access to the records.

I'm unable to post anything until I receive the records as promised by Liberty Political Advertising LLC.

At this very moment they may be planning on forming a committee of biased Blimp supporters in order to circumvent my request.

However, this is unacceptable since I have waited for several weeks for an unbiased committee to be formed, and given the lack of one
being formed up to and including this time, I claim exclusive rights for financial review of Liberty Political Advertising for my committee by default.

If they refuse to hand over the records, beside the potentially fraudulent use of monies that were intended for purchasing advertising
to pay salaries and expenses, there may also be cause for suit regarding fraudulent promises to turn over the aforementioned financial records.
 
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cyclone, those are nat'l ad prices. this idea is only targeting ads in feb 5 markets thats why they are cheaper
 
The guy at Fox called me back. This is one local station - not national, in a Feb 5 state. He said that to run an ad during the day of the game at any time slot would run around $85,000 minimum for a thirty second commercial. But there are better rates for political advertising, that is the good news, the bad news is they are terribly over sold and we would have to pay a premium to bump any of those people so there goes the discount.


If LPA already has time slots reserved in local markets, then perhaps you all should go with them. But understand, these are not national commercials, they are just ads that will be aired in one local market - and they will not be aired during the game.

I would figure this will cost $85,000 or thereabouts to reach one city or rather one market - such as a small metropolitan city.

Lots of the other candidates are also doing this so it seems like a good idea - I trust Hillary's marketing research.

With figures that high I kind of think this is something that the campaign should be deciding, but then, well, do we trust the campaign?

But if we are going to reach a lot of people then we need to raise around a million or two. Unless you all just want to throw all your eggs into one basket and raise the 85k (or less if we can get a discount) for one market on the day of the superbowl, but not during it.

I tried Phoenix but they are booked. I thought since he did so well in NV he might do well in AZ. But they don't have one slot during the day.


McKarnin you may already know this, but the guy told me they need some kind of signed document from the campaign saying he is viable candidate in order to give the discount for political ads. He didn't know what was required if it was a grassroots effort.

Good luck. I hope someone can produce a great commercial. Remember, we are aiming for people who don't know who Ron Paul is, so KISS - keep it simple stupid.

I abhor the idea of giving money to FOX after the way they have treated Ron Paul, but I tried to get ABC to buy the Super Bowl from FOX and they said maybe next year.

I would like to know what we get for five hundred dollars because if you need to raise a minimum of 85k or 50k or even 20k for one commercial and you can't then I think the people should get their money back. Having an extra 500 lying around is one thing, but taking 30k and not airing one ad is another. Just my two cents.
 
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I politely re-ask these questions or ask you to reprint the answers because I don't see them and I have looked 4 times now.

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY TAKING FOR THEMSELVES?

I have seen several responses to the last question but they are unsatisfactory. You don't give a dollar figure. Perhaps you misunderstood. How much money is LPA taking out of the donations for this ad to pay staff, overhead, bills, expenses, etc. I may not have been clear. This includes the amount of money you are receiving from Fox as a kickback.

Is Ron Paul Rules correct? Do you really intend to use the money you get for other projects if this one falls through? If so, I would call that fraud. However, it was another member speaking for you, so I do not attribute this fraudulent statement to you. I am asking if this is true. If not, I suggest you have a little talk with RPR because those kinds of comments are very damaging to you.

Unless of course they are true - then I think people should be told the truth.

You keep saying these are super bowl ads but then also say you are looking into other times - so before money is forked over can you please respond to these questions?

Finally, you have a very long list of people that are supposedly working on this project and getting paid. It reminds me of the old joke - how many LPA associates does it take to screw in a light bulb?

You are not making this commercial, writing it, directing it, producing it, testing it on people to see how it plays, in short, you are doing nothing at all but running a contest and then asking the donors to support your staff so you can send a check to some channel?

Perhaps you think that "we are working on it" is an answer, but I am sorry it is not.

People want to know the answers to these questions before turning over any money.

Do you have any idea how many people are on a typical ad agencies purchasing team? That is their whole job, purchasing the ads. We are also managing the money, manning the website, looking over possible commercials and brainstorming the editing they'll need, promoting the project to get money. I will try to answer questions but cannot spend this much time when you so obviously want to believe the worst. There is nothing I could say to you or do to satisfy you.

Once again, kickbacks are illegal. There is something called an "Agency Commission" that is standard that TV stations pay to those who connect them with advertisers. That's it, that's the only money we will receive for the Super Bowl Sunday ads.

I am going to have the wording changed because that is what these will be "Super Bowl Sunday Ads". We will try to get the most exposure we can with the money we receive and in some markets that means ad slots during pre-game shows or footage during the 3 hour long meet the candidates political special that morning.

There is no such thing as this project "falling through" by more than perhaps $99. There are multiple time slots and prices for advertising...some as little as $100 for an early morning Super Bowl Sunday show and going up to $225,000 for an ad during the Super Bowl in one of the most costly markets we looked into. As long as ads are available (they are going to be increasingly hard to reserve as the days pass) we can buy more and scale this project to the money that comes in.
 
Good luck on getting answers to hard, solid questions. Mine have been ignored since the bling started.

The ones above she's skipped twice now.

I don't see a need to pay an ad company when we have thousands upon thousands of local meetups who could do the same job for free.

ESPECIALLY since the ad company won't come clean on where all the money's going.

And people who still claim to be "volunteers" it turns out are getting paid.

There's no way to determine how much of the money is going into the company employee's pockets.

They ALL get "expenses". And we ALL know how expense accounts are "padded", and there's been absolutely NO disclosure on "expenses".

Mark, you dominated the early blimp threads and I probably answered you at least 20-30 times when the blimp first came out and you were never satisfied and then went on to badmouth me and the blimp throughout the project. I want to spend my time on people who are interested in giving constructive criticism and listening to the answers I give.
 
Do you have any idea how many people are on a typical ad agencies purchasing team? That is their whole job, purchasing the ads. We are also managing the money, manning the website, looking over possible commercials and brainstorming the editing they'll need, promoting the project to get money. I will try to answer questions but cannot spend this much time when you so obviously want to believe the worst. There is nothing I could say to you or do to satisfy you.

Once again, kickbacks are illegal. There is something called an "Agency Commission" that is standard that TV stations pay to those who connect them with advertisers. That's it, that's the only money we will receive for the Super Bowl Sunday ads.

I am going to have the wording changed because that is what these will be "Super Bowl Sunday Ads". We will try to get the most exposure we can with the money we receive and in some markets that means ad slots during pre-game shows or footage during the 3 hour long meet the candidates political special that morning.

There is no such thing as this project "falling through" by more than perhaps $99. There are multiple time slots and prices for advertising...some as little as $100 for an early morning Super Bowl Sunday show and going up to $225,000 for an ad during the Super Bowl in one of the most costly markets we looked into. As long as ads are available (they are going to be increasingly hard to reserve as the days pass) we can buy more and scale this project to the money that comes in.

Perhaps you missed my last post. I was on your side until you just tried to tell me that for one hundred dollars you too can get an ad on TV. Come on. Give me a break. Where, on Wayne's World?

Why are you being so evasive? You talk about time slots but don't say anything specific. You pretend that you can get TV time for one hundred bucks. And you attack the semantics of the word kickback when you know and I know that "Agency commissions" are the same thing. Call it purple elephants if you like, how much money are you making off of this? Is that tens of thousands or a few hundred? How come you never answer the question? This is why I distrust you. If you were only making a few hundred I would expect that you would say so, but since you have responded to this question about five times with the same evasive answer I have to assume you are taking a large sum. Most of us here would just put that money back into the pot. Whether the money comes directly from the grassroots or indirectly, you are still making money off of the grassroots.

I have no problem with people making money, but I tend to pay people who know what they are doing. I do not think that people who have no experience in something as important as a Presidential campaign deserve to get paid. I make tens of thousands of dollars for Ron Paul. I get tons of people to donate to him. I do this because I believe in this cause, not because I want to have the folks here give me money. Is my work any less valuable than yours? Do I not deserve to get paid? Heck, we all do, but we are not because we are doing something that we believe in.

The more evasive your responses the less I trust you. I had finally gotten to the point where I was behind you and then you pull this kind of stuff. You have lost me permanently.

You want to argue ok, let's argue.

You write: Do you have any idea how many people are on a typical ad agencies purchasing team?

Yes, I do, and you are not an ad agency. Remember? You people have no experience at all doing this, you originally set up the "ad agency" so you could get around campaign finance laws, then after you had collected money for the blimp project you then notified people that you were taking a huge chunk of grassroots money for yourselves. Did you start to believe your own scam?

You stated in an earlier post on this thread that you had a little time to kill and so you all decided to set this up, now you are implying that you have a full staff working night and day to get this ad time. Give me a break! And we all heard about this when? Two days ago? So, if I follow what you are trying to sell right now, you have been working with a full team, purchasing ad time for one TV slot, and now you are asking for people to make the ad for you? That is a little backwards.

What other huge jobs are you doing? manning the website.

You are not the only ones here who are manning a website. No one else is expecting payment for it.

What else? You are looking over possible commercials and brainstorming the editing they'll need. So are all the rest of us and many of us out here have a lot more experience than you folks. In fact, with your lack of any marketing experience at all in your team and your definite lack of knowing what will work for a Presidential campaign, I would prefer if you would leave that part of the project to the folks out here who do have experience, because some people do. Just because you called yourself an ad agency doesn't mean you are one.

And then, you are promoting the project to get money.

Well, so am I. I am promoting Ron Paul to get HIM money and I can promise you I and many others are working a hell of lot harder to get HIM money rather than ourselves. You were the ones who took over the MLK money bomb and you did little to promote it and to help Ron Paul, but you are big when it comes to getting money for yourselves.
 
You should be granted access to the files.

Funny how much mistrust there is for this project. I think they brought it on themselves very early on, by trying to tack on large salaries to the blimp. Ever since then, they have been on the defense.


Just so you know...I am the one who pushed for all of the disclosure and transparency documents on the blimp even though our lawyer advised us that it would be a very abnormal way for a company to operate. I wanted to keep things as close to a grassroots project as they could be considering the fact that we had to go into business to launch the blimp legally and not have it count towards campaign contribution limits.

It is hard to decide in retrospect if those disclosures are a big part of the reason why the blimp project was successful or if they just gave unhappy members of the grassroots an excuse to shred all of us and throw mud on our reputations for a couple months.
 
It leaves out their salary and "expense accounts".

However, as promised per the web site, we can form a committee and have full access to all of the financial records.

It does stipulate that only the committe with the highest numbers of CPA's will receive access.

However, one doesn't need to be a CPA to add up 2+2.

And even if the committee doesn't have any CPAs, it will still be the committee with the highest number of CPAs.

I have formed a committee. Others are invited to join.

As no other committees have been formed, I formally ask for full access to all company financial records.

Sorry, one individual does not a committee make. I will look over our records to see exactly what we stipulated.
 
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