You Tube Ad Contest: Ron Paul Superbowl Commercial

yongrel said:
frankdogg's ad is hands down the best. Let's just agree on that, and move on to fundraising.

We don't have much time, and we can use every second we can get.
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the ad is great BUT we need to do something about the background music, we cant use it because of the copyright....am i correct? if so what if we just removed the words and use the same beat?
 
People are gonna want an upbeat ad to grab their attention. Its during the Superbowl. People will be partying and in a upbeat mood. If you all select one please make sure it grabs your attention and doesnt make you think to much.
 
Mckarnin said:
We aren't. We're running this through Liberty Political Advertising...like the blimp people can purchase unlimited advertising and the money spent does not count towards your contribution totals.
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1. Show me where this is legal. Funny how every other candidate in the known universe has seen your little scheme and NOT followed it. One would think that people who can get unlimited amounts of money would just create an advertising company and get around all those pesky finance laws.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about and I do not believe that what you are doing is going to be legal.


2. What experience do have in making and/or running political advertisements. You say that YOU have the final say so in what commercial makes it. What kind of experience do have in Presidential campaigns? How many places do you plan on testing it? What kind of test methods do you plan to use?


The wrong commercial can cost an election. The right one can make an election. And the majority do nothing at all.

3. Why would you choose the Super bowl market? What studies have you done that show you that sports watchers are more likely to vote than men watching other shows for where advertisements are much cheaper?

For a marketing company you come in here with remarkably little presentation, leave the commercial up to your clients and then expect them to pay for it. That is the most backwards way to do business that I have ever seen.

Remember this is a FOR-PROFIT company. Tell us about your profit.

Clearly you don't know a thing about advertising or you would be able to write and produce the commercial yourself. Moreover, let's start with a little transparency from the start this time - how much money do you plan to take to not write the commercial, not produce it, not create it, and simply hand over money to air it? What amount of profit are you taking for doing this? I mean why should anyone use you? We are the ones making the commercial, we are the ones producing it, and for some reason you get to have total control of the money and which commercial gets aired.


If you knew what you were doing, you would be the one making this commercial, outlaying your own dollars to produce it, spending your own money to test market it, and you would not be doing this this close to the Super Bowl, since you are not doing any of the above, I see no reason at all to turn creative control and all dollars over to you.

Show us all your resume, the experience of the team in running Presidential advertisements, and the cost structure for this little venture you have planned. So far, I see no reason to hire you. Tell me something different.

Forgive me for being so blunt, but my experience with LPA is that they ask for the money first and then disclose costs later.

P.S.
Any reasonable person hiring a company would ask these questions, anyone questioning such questions would be an insider troll hired by said company to deflect any questions.
 
Cyclone said:
1. Show me where this is legal. Funny how every other candidate in the known universe has seen your little scheme and NOT followed it. One would think that people who can get unlimited amounts of money would just create an advertising company and get around all those pesky finance laws.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about and I do not believe that what you are doing is going to be legal.


2. What experience do have in making and/or running political advertisements. You say that YOU have the final say so in what commercial makes it. What kind of experience do have in Presidential campaigns? How many places do you plan on testing it? What kind of test methods do you plan to use?


The wrong commercial can cost an election. The right one can make an election. And the majority do nothing at all.

3. Why would you choose the Super bowl market? What studies have you done that show you that sports watchers are more likely to vote than men watching other shows for where advertisements are much cheaper?

For a marketing company you come in here with remarkably little presentation, leave the commercial up to your clients and then expect them to pay for it. That is the most backwards way to do business that I have ever seen.

Remember this is a FOR-PROFIT company. Tell us about your profit.

Clearly you don't know a thing about advertising or you would be able to write and produce the commercial yourself. Moreover, let's start with a little transparency from the start this time - how much money do you plan to take to not write the commercial, not produce it, not create it, and simply hand over money to air it? What amount of profit are you taking for doing this? I mean why should anyone use you? We are the ones making the commercial, we are the ones producing it, and for some reason you get to have total control of the money and which commercial gets aired.


If you knew what you were doing, you would be the one making this commercial, outlaying your own dollars to produce it, spending your own money to test market it, and you would not be doing this this close to the Super Bowl, since you are not doing any of the above, I see no reason at all to turn creative control and all dollars over to you.

Show us all your resume, the experience of the team in running Presidential advertisements, and the cost structure for this little venture you have planned. So far, I see no reason to hire you. Tell me something different.

Forgive me for being so blunt, but my experience with LPA is that they ask for the money first and then disclose costs later.

P.S.
Any reasonable person hiring a company would ask these questions, anyone questioning such questions would be an insider troll hired by said company to deflect any questions.
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Another action of trolls is to ignore all questions about the project and then just proceed to try to get people to get so excited about a particular commercial so they don't question any price structure or other legitimate questions.
 
Cyclone said:
1. Show me where this is legal. Funny how every other candidate in the known universe has seen your little scheme and NOT followed it. One would think that people who can get unlimited amounts of money would just create an advertising company and get around all those pesky finance laws.

Lawyers and campaign finance groups have called and written to commend us on this idea. It is brand new and since we came up with it (in just 2 months) several other similarly structured businesses have emerged.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about and I do not believe that what you are doing is going to be legal.

We have spoken to several Fox affiliate stations and Fox National and they know what the ad is for and are fine with it. In fact several of the markets we are targeting have had other candidates already make ad buys. These are local ad buys.


2. What experience do have in making and/or running political advertisements. You say that YOU have the final say so in what commercial makes it. What kind of experience do have in Presidential campaigns? How many places do you plan on testing it? What kind of test methods do you plan to use?

Several of our volunteer consultants have worked for other presidential campaigns and administrations. We also have volunteer consultants who have marketing experience. On the whole though we plan to let the grassroots test it. We've done pretty well with that technique so far.


The wrong commercial can cost an election. The right one can make an election. And the majority do nothing at all.

Well, don't give any money for this initiative then

3. Why would you choose the Super bowl market? What studies have you done that show you that sports watchers are more likely to vote than men watching other shows for where advertisements are much cheaper?

We are going to update our page to ad that we are also researching putting this commercial in during the meet the candidate special that will run from 9am-12pm on Super Bowl Sunday. Also, ads during non-superbowl times might be cheaper but they reach a lot less people so you need more of them.

For a marketing company you come in here with remarkably little presentation, leave the commercial up to your clients and then expect them to pay for it. That is the most backwards way to do business that I have ever seen.

Remember this is a FOR-PROFIT company. Tell us about your profit.

We are running a bare bones operation and trying to do amazing things at amazing speeds. That requires supplemental help. Don't even get me started on profit. I have a $500 computer and $1000 to show for 2 months of 100+ hour weeks.

Clearly you don't know a thing about advertising or you would be able to write and produce the commercial yourself. Moreover, let's start with a little transparency from the start this time - how much money do you plan to take to not write the commercial, not produce it, not create it, and simply hand over money to air it? What amount of profit are you taking for doing this? I mean why should anyone use you? We are the ones making the commercial, we are the ones producing it, and for some reason you get to have total control of the money and which commercial gets aired.

I am fed up with accusatory comments like this. Do you know how much time it takes to research markets, track down contact information, quotes and all the market details for tons of stations...then reserve spots with no money in hand, coordinate getting the money to all these different locations? Hey, I want to see Superbowl Commercials...if someone else wants to start doing all of the legwork and set something up they can have it!


If you knew what you were doing, you would be the one making this commercial, outlaying your own dollars to produce it, spending your own money to test market it, and you would not be doing this this close to the Super Bowl, since you are not doing any of the above, I see no reason at all to turn creative control and all dollars over to you.

We have no money. We have hardly begun to be paid. All of the money has gone to pay for the blimp, banners and lawyers. We are not like a conventional ad agency yet...we started out of the grassroots and have gotten some amazing things done but are still growing.

Show us all your resume, the experience of the team in running Presidential advertisements, and the cost structure for this little venture you have planned. So far, I see no reason to hire you. Tell me something different.

Forgive me for being so blunt, but my experience with LPA is that they ask for the money first and then disclose costs later.

P.S.
Any reasonable person hiring a company would ask these questions, anyone questioning such questions would be an insider troll hired by said company to deflect any questions.
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KM
 
Forget the nit pickers that have no accomplishments of their own...

I just donated money at the super bowl ad page and I will donate more later... Dont listen to the losers that have no plans but lots of complaints... just do it! just give the money to the people that were able to launch the blimp and together we will have more good results.
 
Cyclone why don't you quit being so cynical? How about you add something constructive to the idea, you can be critical yes. But, be constructive in your criticism. Remember when Lawrence ran the USA Today ad? I wasn't around the forum at that time. But, I'm wondering did you try to torpedo that ad also? It seems to me like you are trying to torpedo this also.
 
Cyclone said:
Another action of trolls is to ignore all questions about the project and then just proceed to try to get people to get so excited about a particular commercial so they don't question any price structure or other legitimate questions.
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how can a superbowl ad be detrimental to the RP campaign?

the ronpaulblimp has the infrastructure set up to organize this superbowl ad. We do not have much time to waste. We have to win !!! and superbowl ad is the way to go IMO.
 
Marc3579 said:
Cyclone why don't you quit being so cynical? How about you add something constructive to the idea, you can be critical yes. But, be constructive in your criticism. Remember when Lawrence ran the USA Today ad? I wasn't around the forum at that time. But, I'm wondering did you try to torpedo that ad also? It seems to me like you are trying to torpedo this also.
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So now asking questions is cynical? Asking what someone is charging is criticism.

Your facts about the Lawrence ad are 100% incorrect, but nice try at deflection and good attempt to attack the poster, sadly, the facts are out there for anyone to see and reeling off such nonsense just shows your lack of credibility.

I promised there would be a whole bunch of people attacking anyone who asked questions. These people are called trolls. They do their best to attack people who have reasonable questions and then they pile on top. You are doing an excellent job of displaying the features. Clearly you don't care how much money LPA is charging to do this, are you getting a cut? Have you been hired by them? Or are you just in bed with them?
 
[size=+2]This one is still my favorite.[/size]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MXSea2W1qcg

[size=+4]Superbowl ads are supposed to be FUN![/size]

[size=+1]
It also:
* focuses on the economy, which people are very concerned about right now.
* avoids talking about more controversial stances.
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Marc3579 said:
Cyclone why don't you quit being so cynical? How about you add something constructive to the idea, you can be critical yes. But, be constructive in your criticism. Remember when Lawrence ran the USA Today ad? I wasn't around the forum at that time. But, I'm wondering did you try to torpedo that ad also? It seems to me like you are trying to torpedo this also.
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Agreed. BUT...

I have many of the same concerns. I donated $50 to the blimp.
I know...it's nothing. A drop in the bucket...but it's still $50 to me.

That being said, I want to know BEFOREHAND what wages each person involved in this will be. I do not feel like the blimp was handled very well, but I too understand you guys are learning as you go, and don't have the benefit of experience. I am empathetic.

However, I personally cannot donate this project without knowing specifics, along with a promise to reveal how, where, and who this money was spent on.

I also have NO problem with you making a profit (if you are fortunate enough to).
But I don't want to be gouged. If someone comes up with an ad better than FrankDogg's (and I doubt you will honestly) or you determine you will use his, and you ask for money, the ad better run.

No excuses like "well, the material wasn't available" or "they're sewing the other banner right now".

I'm sorry....if I am being cynical. I'm really not trying to be, and I also realize I don't have thousands to throw at this, but I don't think that these PRErequesites are outrageous.

Here's what I'm trying to say:

If you come here and say "Look, here's what it's going to cost. This is where they will run, here's what we'll get paid for our efforts (and quitting our daytime jobs), and here's the ad we're going to run", you WILL GET MONEY.
(As long as the ad doesn't suck of course).

If you can bring those things to the table....you'll get more than enough money.

My suggestion is

1. use Frankdogg's ad. (find another soundtrack if you must).
(Also, let me know if you need help with this...I have a superb musician friend who can get something to you, royalty free.....as I'm sure can many others here)

2. Arrange 3 tiers of markets.
a. Essential markets (minimum markets needed to make an impact)
b. Requested markets (Essential Markets + those "would love to have")
c. Every Super Tuesday State - Nuff said.

3. Come to us with numbers required for all three of these with an itemized breakdown of what, why, where, etc.

4. Create a chip in.

5. Follow through on your promises.

I guarantee if you do this...you'll get enough money to run ads in every Super Tuesday state. I have ZERO doubt that the Revolution will come up with every penny they can scratch together for this. WE ALL WANT TO WIN.
We also ALL WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WILL COST AND IF YOU"LL FOLLOW THROUGH.


Thanks for hearing me out.
 
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Blimpette you are the best. You don't let yourself be depressed for one second and get up to pick up another fight. (as opposed to many of the posters here)

Instead on waiting for HQ play the Jeopardy music before they decide, you lead the way.

You GO girl!
 
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