You may want to rethink eating pork

Suzanimal said:
Is it me or do cannibals sound like gourmet cooks.
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Checkout the movie "Ravenous"

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PaulConventionWV said:
I don't think it was actually sinful in the first place. I don't see Leviticus 11:7-8 as a command, but rather a strong suggestion.

There may have been laws against it back in those days, but that's a different thing altogether.
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It was, in fact, sinful. For a variety of reasons, cleanliness was only a part of it. There was also the point of 'separation from amongst the nations.' That separation is one of the reasons the ordinance was repealed when it came time for the Great Commission. Separation time was over.
 
<--- vegetarian since '94 --- still miss bacon
veggie bacon is NOT bacon
 
I'm having some bacon tomorrow morning. I aint worried about some USDA schmucks losing their jobs; haters gonna hate, leeches gonna leech.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Unclean meats was specifically abolished.
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Gunny dear... where does that say meat? And please allow the time for me to play catch up on this.....

It IS far more important what comes out of one's mouth than what goes in. That what your verses in Acts says.

The post donnay asked you to view is one I have been asking you to check out for years now. Are you seriously that far *above* the average folk that you have nothing left to learn?

I love you and i ain't skeered.

It is NOT a sin that damns one to hell-eating pork that is. Is IS a sin against the flesh in that pigs STILL do not have sweat glands and aren't the healthiest for our bodies, hence the term sin against the flesh. The clean and unclean animals did not change after Christ, neither did basic Levitican cleanliness standards. Nearness to God after death was not reliant upon one's adherence to those standards due to Christ, but Christ himself followed those standards.

We wash our hands today because of those standards and most of our cleanliness codes are based in those old Levitican law.

What those verses in Acts also say is basically to not starve yourself. If you are hungry and in need and someone hands you a pork sammich, you should eat it.

Helloooooo Gunny. :)

Watch the YouTube donnay shared. Please.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
I don't need it explained. I am a Christian who supports the Law. When Yeshua "fulfilled" the law, He made it full. He did NOT 'abolish' it. Fulfilled is NOT a synonym for abolish. I have been a Christian Law-Keeper since 1999. That means ALL of the Law. When God says "I have made it clean," He damn well means "I have made it clean." The only way you can reject this, is if you believe that the book of Acts is spurious. I do not.
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We all can learn something new if we open our minds just a little bit. Listen to Dr. Dennis on this one. God did not give pigs Sweat glands, shellfish are still filters. They are still not healthy for human consumption. Salvation (nearness to God to the Jew) is simply not reliant on anything other than Jesus. Nothing else matters ultimately. But is is far healthier for our human flesh bodies to not eat these critters.

That's all donnay is saying.

You're too damn smart for your own good ya know. Step outside your box every so often... ya'll were basically saying the same thing in the end.

Do you have any idea how it it has taken me to type on the stoopid smrt phone? It is quicker tHan the computer tho lol.
 
jessahick said:
We all can learn something new if we open our minds just a little bit. Listen to Dr. Dennis on this one. God did not give pigs Sweat glands, shellfish are still filters. They are still not healthy for human consumption. Salvation (nearness to God to the Jew) is simply not reliant on anything other than Jesus. Nothing else matters ultimately. But is is far healthier for our human flesh bodies to not eat these critters.

That's all donnay is saying.

You're too damn smart for your own good ya know. Step outside your box every so often... ya'll were basically saying the same thing in the end.

Do you have any idea how it it has taken me to type on the stoopid smrt phone? It is quicker tHan the computer tho lol.
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Yeah, I never said pork was healthy, just that it's no longer sinful. Almost anything you eat, drink, or breathe anymore is going to be bad for you. I totally agree that pork is one of the, if not the unhealthiest unprocessed food there is in existence, that's why I avoid it so passionately (except for the once or twice a year I eat pork just to remind myself that it's no longer sinful). I just do not like the characterization of calling it 'sin,' because God Himself explicitly made it 'not sinful,' and who am I to tell God that He's wrong?

I mean, I eat more kosher than most Jews, and more halal than most Muslims. I just can't handle characterizing something as 'sinful' when God by His own Hand reached down and said, "this is no longer a sin." It feels mildly blasphemous.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
Yeah, I never said pork was healthy, just that it's no longer sinful. Almost anything you eat, drink, or breathe anymore is going to be bad for you. I totally agree that pork is one of the, if not the unhealthiest unprocessed food there is in existence, that's why I avoid it so passionately (except for the once or twice a year I eat pork just to remind myself that it's no longer sinful). I just do not like the characterization of calling it 'sin,' because God Himself explicitly made it 'not sinful,' and who am I to tell God that He's wrong?

I mean, I eat more kosher than most Jews, and more halal than most Muslims. I just can't handle characterizing something as 'sinful' when God by His own Hand reached down and said, "this is no longer a sin." It feels mildly blasphemous.
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Huh?

Way to blow me off!

You've torn down one of the same faith saying the same thing as yourself cuz your offended by her use of the term "sin of the flesh"? To the point where of oozing pompousness...you do come across very condescending, whether you mean to or not.

I've been asking you to view Dr Murray for a few years now, haven't i? If your knowledge is so great that you have no need of checking out someone else's teachings... if you want folk to take your passions and words here to heart- and I KNOW you've got a lot to offer this world.... then you should treat other the way your want to be treated ya know?

if you could be bothered to take the 30 min it would take to listen, you'll understand better where I am coming from.

And then I'll be happy to discuss this further if you still disagree after viewing it.

Kosher? Who keeps bringing up that kenite terminology?
 
jessahick said:
Gunny dear... where does that say meat?
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The only things these two passages (Acts 10, and his report in Acts 11)could possibly be talking about in context, is meat.

Acts 10:9-16 On the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance; and he saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky. [NASB]
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And please allow the time for me to play catch up on this.....

It IS far more important what comes out of one's mouth than what goes in. That what your verses in Acts says.
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Actually, the section I quoted in Acts was entirely different than Matthew 15:11. The section in Acts 10 was specifically detailing that un-kosher meats were no longer to be considered unholy.

The post donnay asked you to view is one I have been asking you to check out for years now. Are you seriously that far *above* the average folk that you have nothing left to learn?
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No, what annoyed me was that I've been a Christian lawkeeper since the freaking 90's and she was being overly pedantic about it, talking to me like I was stupid for believing that Christ abolished the Law, as if I haven't already explained this to everyone I know 1000 times that I have NEVER believe that "Christ abolished the Law."

It wasn't the link that annoyed me, it was the implication that "you are ignorant because you believe that Christ abolished the Law, here this link will explain it for you." I have never, ever, believed that Christ abolished the Law, and if anybody has been paying attention to what I believe, they would know that. It's not like I've kept it a secret. If someone knows what I believe and they think they have something to teach me, that is one thing, which I have no problem with. If someone has no clue what I believe and think they have something to teach me, that is another, mildly annoying thing. If someone has known me for 5 years, still has no clue what I believe, and they think they have something to teach me, then yes, I am going to get annoyed. If someone has hung around me for 5 years and yet has no idea what I believe to begin with, then how can they imagine they have something to teach me?

That's not pride or any such thing. I don't really consider myself 'better,' it's more of a logic thing. If someone has hung around me for 5 years and can't be bothered to figure out what I already believe before telling me what they think I need to believe, then yes, I am going to be dismissive. That's an entirely different thing from someone I do not know telling me something I may or may not already know. This new person would never have had the opportunity to know what I do and do not believe.

Donnay has known me here for 5 years. I have been WIDE OPEN about my beliefs. If she does not know by now that I am a Christian lawkeeper, then she's not paying attention. Her referral was phrased in a way to 'correct' what she should have already known I was 'correct' about.

Would you, with all you know about me, ever imply that I know nothing about the Hebrew language and tell me that I need to go and learn what DABAR meant before I could understand a passage? Of course not. You may think I was in error about something, but when you told me to go look it up you would start from a place where I already knew Hebrew, because you know me, and you know that I already know Hebrew.

I love you too, and you know I do, but if you were to imply that I needed to go and learn Hebrew first and then come back to you, (knowing that I am already a strong scholar of Biblical Hebrew) then I would get annoyed at that, too; and I likewise would say "I don't need to go and learn Hebrew first" not because I didn't think Hebrew was important to the passage, but because I already know Hebrew and you know that I do.

Donnay knows me well enough by now, and I have been open enough about my beliefs that she should darn well know that I am a Christian lawkeeper, and the implication that I am ignorant on that matter was what I was rejecting.

I love you and i ain't skeered.

It is NOT a sin that damns one to hell-eating pork that is. Is IS a sin against the flesh in that pigs STILL do not have sweat glands and aren't the healthiest for our bodies, hence the term sin against the flesh. The clean and unclean animals did not change after Christ, neither did basic Levitican cleanliness standards. Nearness to God after death was not reliant upon one's adherence to those standards due to Christ, but Christ himself followed those standards.
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I avoid pork like the plague, but I won't call it 'sinful' even if you hold a gun to my head. If God has made something "not-sinful" then to call it "sinful" is akin to calling God a liar, is it not?

Peter and the vision of the Great Sheet happened after Yeshua had already been raised from the dead, spent 40 days on Earth, and ascended into Heaven. Before that vision, pork was sinful, therefore it makes sense that Yeshua would follow that standard. After that vision, Messiah was already ascended, and He was no longer hanging out physically on the Earth to eat and drink with folks.

We wash our hands today because of those standards and most of our cleanliness codes are based in those old Levitican law.

What those verses in Acts also say is basically to not starve yourself. If you are hungry and in need and someone hands you a pork sammich, you should eat it.
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Remember also when Paul called Peter out for hypocrisy by pretending to be kosher with the Jews, and pretending to be common with the Gentiles. It was not bad that he was eating the same food that the Jews ate when he was with the Jews, Paul didn't expect Peter to gnosh on some pork chops in a synagogue, Paul himself said that he was a Jew around Jews and a Gentile around Gentiles (paraphrased), but Paul was angry at Peter for affirming amongst the Jews that pork was sinful when God had explicitly said otherwise. Once God says "this is no longer a sin," if I were to say or agree that "this is a sin," I would be calling God a liar.

I wouldn't even agree to that for my own mother, whom I love dearly.

Helloooooo Gunny. :)
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Hello Jessa! Glad to see you here, even if it was this particular madness that brought you back.

Watch the YouTube donnay shared. Please.
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I suspect, given that donnay wanted me to watch it to "educate me on the fact that Messiah did not abolish the law," :rolleyes: that I already agree with the content of the video. If the guy calls it 'sinful' however, I'm not going to like it, because God explicitly de-sin-afied pork. And I'm probably the most pork-less carnivorous Christian on this entire board.
 
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