'Yeah, I shot the dog. What the f--- you gonna do about it?'

[JK/SEA]

Obviously we can't be sure of that. Highly unlikely, though. (nigh impossible) There have been linguists who have spent decades trying to find a way to teach the more "intelligent" animals (like parrots) to speak. It has never been done. You can teach parrots to mimic human speech and gorillas to use a bit of sign language, but they do not have the brain mechanics required for what we know as verbal communication.

With an app, you may be able to convey very general sensations like "hot" and "pain", but animals simply lack the brain anatomy required to measure higher thought process like emotions-we couldn't measure it scientifically if we wanted to and had the means.

ok...i believe it will happen. In my lifetime?...i hope so.

Technology is fluid no?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

ok...i believe it will happen. In my lifetime?...i hope so.

Technology is fluid no?

Oui. It would be really interesting, but I wouldn't bet anything on it.

 

[Ender]

ok...i believe it will happen. In my lifetime?...i hope so.

Technology is fluid no?

Here's a dog saying "I love you".

 

[PaulConventionWV]

So to recap, Paul seems to think that because a person places real (non utilitarian) value in the life of a dog, that person somehow degrades or places less value in the life of a person or people.

And again, for me personally, my dog has literally taught me to place MORE value in the lives of both people AND animals.

In case you didn't notice, I'm responding to that exact statement. One poster did, indeed, state that he would have a hard time choosing whether to save his family members or his dog. I cannot and will not understand that. Ever.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I suggest you keep your opinions limited to your own lack of capability and do not extend it out to others. Thank you very much.


You don't appear to understand abstract concepts. Does that mean you are a dog?

This isn't even debatable. It's a scientific fact that you can't do that, just like you can't talk to plants. I know that for a fact. It's not a question of my ignorance. There are some things you just can't do.

Also, the fact that I am participating in this thread proves that I am capable of abstract concepts. That sentence was an abstract concept. In any case, I don't see why you have to attack me. It's a sure sign that you're losing the argument.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I'll just leave this right here...

Epitaph to a Dog

Near this Spot
are deposited the Remains of one
who possessed Beauty without Vanity,
Strength without Insolence,
Courage without Ferosity,
and all the virtues of Man without his Vices.

This praise, which would be unmeaning Flattery
if inscribed over human Ashes,
is but a just tribute to the Memory of
BOATSWAIN, a DOG,
who was born in Newfoundland May 1803
and died at Newstead Nov. 18, 1808.

When some proud Son of Man returns to Earth,
Unknown to Glory, but upheld by Birth,
The sculptor’s art exhausts the pomp of woe,
And storied urns record who rests below.
When all is done, upon the Tomb is seen,
Not what he was, but what he should have been.
But the poor Dog, in life the firmest friend,
The first to welcome, foremost to defend,
Whose honest heart is still his Master’s own,
Who labours, fights, lives, breathes for him alone,
Unhonoured falls, unnoticed all his worth,
Denied in heaven the Soul he held on earth –
While man, vain insect! hopes to be forgiven,
And claims himself a sole exclusive heaven.

Oh man! thou feeble tenant of an hour,
Debased by slavery, or corrupt by power –
Who knows thee well must quit thee with disgust,
Degraded mass of animated dust!
Thy love is lust, thy friendship all a cheat,
Thy tongue hypocrisy, thy heart deceit!
By nature vile, ennobled but by name,
Each kindred brute might bid thee blush for shame.
Ye, who behold perchance this simple urn,
Pass on – it honours none you wish to mourn.
To mark a friend’s remains these stones arise;
I never knew but one -- and here he lies.

This is just getting ridiculous...

I can't even express how disappointed I am in the human race for being so dogmatic (no pun intended) about something like a dog. You can continue to spill your hearts about dogs like they can actually reciprocate that. You guys are insane. Science has determined that humans and animals are nothing alike. Now we're worshiping dogs simply because they don't have the capacity to be as evil as us, nor as good. It's a very cultish mindset and it disturbs me greatly that anyone can think like that.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

ok...i believe it will happen. In my lifetime?...i hope so.

Technology is fluid no?

You guys are like UFO enthusiasts. It creeps me out.

 

[JK/SEA]

You guys are like UFO enthusiasts. It creeps me out.

you must be related to the relatives i had that just banned me from my 'family' page on facebook. Apparently, my relatives with the same last name didn't like me posting cop abuse video. Its strange, because no one had posted in there in 4 months till i decided to pass along some reality about cops...oh, and i posted the vid of the cop shooting a RESTRAINED dog in the head. I think they like being asleep...anyway...yeah, i love dogs and you don't. Glad you're not my neighbor.

 

[Ender]

This isn't even debatable. It's a scientific fact that you can't do that, just like you can't talk to plants. I know that for a fact. It's not a question of my ignorance. There are some things you just can't do.

Also, the fact that I am participating in this thread proves that I am capable of abstract concepts. That sentence was an abstract concept. In any case, I don't see why you have to attack me. It's a sure sign that you're losing the argument.

Uhhhh.... I talk to plants all the time- they respond and grow bigger and better.

The Mozart Effect proved that plants respond to music. And THAT's a scientific fact. Better get your head where the sun shines instead of your 2 dimensional unreality.

BTW- animals also respond to music.

 

[XTreat]

I love when folks talk about China being repressive. You can go a whole day in a large Chinese city and not see a single cop. I live in a town of about 5,000 and you can't throw a rock without hitting one.

I just spent a week in Da Nang, a city of 1 million people and saw one cop while I was there.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Keep in mind that epitaph was from 1808.

Over 200 years ago.

Not some modern mushy headed "they're furry people" hippie talk.

Sorry you're getting so upset over this, but obviously, you've never spent time around a "good" dog.

This is just getting ridiculous...

I can't even express how disappointed I am in the human race for being so dogmatic (no pun intended) about something like a dog. You can continue to spill your hearts about dogs like they can actually reciprocate that. You guys are insane. Science has determined that humans and animals are nothing alike. Now we're worshiping dogs simply because they don't have the capacity to be as evil as us, nor as good. It's a very cultish mindset and it disturbs me greatly that anyone can think like that.

 

[JK/SEA]

awww hell, why not?...its just a damn dog...

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Washington-man-pleads-guilty-to-blowing-up-his-dog-238551311.html

 

[LibertyEagle]

Obviously we can't be sure of that. Highly unlikely, though. (nigh impossible) There have been linguists who have spent decades trying to find a way to teach the more "intelligent" animals (like parrots) to speak. It has never been done. You can teach parrots to mimic human speech and gorillas to use a bit of sign language, but they do not have the brain mechanics required for what we know as verbal communication.

With an app, you may be able to convey very general sensations like "hot" and "pain", but animals simply lack the brain anatomy required to measure higher thought process like emotions-we couldn't measure it scientifically if we wanted to and had the means.

Anyone who believes that animals don't have emotions has never had one they formed a relationship with or watched them closely at all. Animals bond with their owners and other animals and GRIEVE when they are gone. They also express love and a variety of other emotions toward each other and their human owners.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This isn't even debatable. It's a scientific fact that you can't do that, just like you can't talk to plants. I know that for a fact. It's not a question of my ignorance. There are some things you just can't do.

Your whole premise is stupid. You seem to believe that you have to be able to converse with a dog in English for there to be communication. There are all types of ways to communicate with another being. Language is only one of them.

Also, the fact that I am participating in this thread proves that I am capable of abstract concepts. That sentence was an abstract concept.

Actually, my comment had to do with your apparent inability to see outside of the little box that you are operating within.

In any case, I don't see why you have to attack me. It's a sure sign that you're losing the argument.

You guys are like UFO enthusiasts. It creeps me out.

I can't even express how disappointed I am in the human race for being so dogmatic (no pun intended) about something like a dog. You can continue to spill your hearts about dogs like they can actually reciprocate that. You guys are insane. Science has determined that humans and animals are nothing alike. Now we're worshiping dogs simply because they don't have the capacity to be as evil as us, nor as good. It's a very cultish mindset and it disturbs me greatly that anyone can think like that.

 

[Origanalist]

This is just getting ridiculous...

I can't even express how disappointed I am in the human race for being so dogmatic (no pun intended) about something like a dog. You can continue to spill your hearts about dogs like they can actually reciprocate that. You guys are insane. Science has determined that humans and animals are nothing alike. Now we're worshiping dogs simply because they don't have the capacity to be as evil as us, nor as good. It's a very cultish mindset and it disturbs me greatly that anyone can think like that.

Lol, SCIENCE!

 

[chudrockz]

You guys are like UFO enthusiasts. It creeps me out.

Well, if I'm a UFO enthusiast, I gotta be delighted this morning as I've found in you a member of the Borg. "You will be assimilated! All other species have no value!"

 

[phill4paul]

Exceptions are the reason we got where we are.

I'm as angry as anyone here, but too many of you lose your heads and advocate torture or going ape-shit on a cop who shoots a dog, yet you say nothing about the cop that kills or tortures a human to death. What is this sickness?

You're fuggin kidding me, right? AF started these threads on dog killings awhile ago with one explicit purpose in mind. To elicit empathy over police abuse on humans. There is plenty to say regarding the kills or torture of citizens by cops. However, there will always be those that say "he was a bad character", "well he shouldn't have...." or any number of excuses. It's pretty tough to defend someone shooting a 15# puppy. The outrage over killings of dogs have brought awareness to others about police brutality within my circle. I know it has for others as well.
So you're not a dog lover. No big deal. However, you need to understand that to others they are an integrally related member of the family. Explain it away as much as you wish but some need to realize that ignoring it may be at their own peril.

 

[JK/SEA]

A police state is a small price to pay for living in a free country.

Now, get back in line and move along, maggot.

thats awful close to what i said in U.S. History class in 1968.....i was given an 'A' in that class btw.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Uhhhh.... I talk to plants all the time- they respond and grow bigger and better.

The Mozart Effect proved that plants respond to music. And THAT's a scientific fact. Better get your head where the sun shines instead of your 2 dimensional unreality.

BTW- animals also respond to music.

You're not helping you're case when you say you talk to plants. Talking to dogs as if they were plants that respond to sound stimuli by nature means they are programmed to be that way. They do not understand you. They simply receive the stimulus and react to it. No comprehension, no abstract thought, just cause and effect.

Animals do not understand you. Their brains simply can't do that. They are not made for that.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Keep in mind that epitaph was from 1808.

Over 200 years ago.

Not some modern mushy headed "they're furry people" hippie talk.

Sorry you're getting so upset over this, but obviously, you've never spent time around a "good" dog.

Apparently you have to stare into its eyes for extremely long periods of time before you become hypnotized by it. I see a dog gazing up at me and I think about nothing except where it's going to put its dirty tongue and paws next. It must take some real country boy hangin' around in order to get THAT acquainted with the species. The level of dog-worship just makes me wonder how one acquires such a state of mind as to see human qualities in a dog. We don't do this with other animals and yet many of us are convinced that they are special, even though they are not even close to being related according to the theory of evolution. What people see in dogs is what they want to see.