WTF is a "free market socialist"?

[Superdog]

Mutualism is mutualism. The only one with 'socialism' in its proper name is so-called 'libertarian socialism' and all it wants to do is disguise the certainly present authority not as 'government' but as a 'trade union'-like authority. There is no difference I can see there but degree, and since such levels of control make it quite easy for this allegedly non-bureaucratic entity to draw more power unto itself, I doubt the difference of degree would last long if it were tried in the real world.

So, I fear that as a practical matter libertarian socialism is an oxymoron and could never exist as other than a pipe dream, at least for long. And I still dispute that the other things you mentioned are socialism at all.

Most people like to hold words to the best accepted definitions. As I say, the only person who would want to deemphasize the word 'poison' and substitute 'cherry-flavored cathartic' is the propagandist for a murderer.

Im glad you can readily redefine a word.


Socialism -

A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

Marx's definition, imo he who knew best

3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


Socialism is the collective belief that goverment can better provide for the individual than the individual can possibly provide for itself.

It's the idea that instead of you going straight to the source, a better option would to let your goverment be the middle man in choosing all of the necessities of your life. School, food, television, the limited number of websites you can view based on your plan, etc.

Wouldn't it be great if everyone was a goverment worker on salary with forced lunch brunch and pre dinner breaks and only allowed to work 40 hours a week and we all make the same wage?

Socialism kills competition, eradicates self fulfillment, and eliminates an incentive to better yourself for your own good.

I know I'm a newb, but I had two people from this forum, both with thousands of posts apiece, back me up on this. I give up. I'm willing to consider right-libertarians and anarcho-capitalists political allies, but this is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

Have fun being intentionally ignorant.

 

[acptulsa]

I know I'm a newb, but I had two people from this forum, both with thousands of posts apiece, back me up on this. I give up. I'm willing to consider right-libertarians and anarcho-capitalists political allies, but this is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

Have fun being intentionally ignorant.

Don't know if you're a Wonktard or just someone on some kind of internet scavenger hunt charged with getting someone on RPF to say they like socialism, and I don't care. Come back when your arsenal contains something more substantial than the ad hominem gun--or, if you just want to talk about liberty. For I can assure you that we are neither ignorant about liberty nor about the sneaky ways it has been curtailed through history.

 

[krazy kaju]

I've heard free market socialism used in association with mutualism, in which case it would mean a desire to eliminate government completely and the belief that this would lead to many worker cooperatives and the like forming due to the lack of barriers of entry.

 

[acptulsa]

I've heard free market socialism used in association with mutualism, in which case it would mean a desire to eliminate government completely and the belief that this would lead to many worker cooperatives and the like forming due to the lack of barriers of entry.

Yeah, that was one of the phrases he was using to argue that socialism itself isn't a form of government. Thus my doubt that these quasi-authorities would fail to grow into full-blown governments in short order (above). Power does love to draw more power unto itself...