WOW! H2O2 - this stuff is amazing!

[WilliamC]

Ha, my vices exactly, been clean for 5 months though, not a drop of either

Well being without coffee or Dr. Pepper would be much worse for me than being clean.

It would be more like being dead

My wife (who is in no way the caffeine aholic I am but who still drinks a couple of cups of coffee in the mornings) gave up caffeine while she was pregnant with our three kids (one at a time not triplets).

She's made of tougher stuff than I am!

 

[mackler]

I abolutely love hydrogen peroxide. I've been using it for almost 20 years now. For years I had terrible skin problems: eczema/psoriasis/dermatitis--call it what you want. Mainstream medicine had nothing for me except hydrocortizone--steroids that caused nasty side effects. I had tried all the over-the-counter skin treatments. When I came across H2O2 it changed my life. It makes my skin feel so good. I put the 3% from the drugstore in a spritzer and spray it wherever I itch. It destroys itchiness like nothing else, and it exfoliates dead flaky skin and leaves me feeling clean and fresh. Sometimes just for fun, if my feet are really smelly and nasty I'll soak in it. It totally sanitizes my feet and makes them smell great. I'll also put some of the 35% into a bath and it eats all the scum right off my body. I've never felt cleaner and it totally gives me an oxygen rush.

For many years I was gargling with it (the 3% kind). It definitely sanitizes the inside of my mouth, but lately I've been suspecting that it might be oxidizing calcium onto my teeth. For the moment I've switched to Goldenseal extract to see if it makes a difference. If it doesn't, I might try a mixture of Goldenseal in H2O2.

A few years ago I was using a product that was 6% H2O2 in aloe-vera. That was pretty great, but the company making it went out of business.

I only use it externally. I tried drinking it once and I didn't feel too good. You have to be careful not to take too much.

The best thing about H2O2 is it's cheap! I swear by it, and I don't care how many "experts" deny its efficacy. Just remember that "experts" also tell us that if you have cancer, radiation is going to help you. In fact, if I believed in conspiracies, I might think that the whole promotion of "anti-oxidants" is an attempt to prevent this wonderful oxidant from stealing too much business from the more lucrative supplement industry.

Yay hydrogen peroxide!

 

[amy31416]

LOL @ this thread.

As a chemist I can in full authority say that his thread and the OP's link is full BS.

Enjoy your placebo effect.

I'll second that, as a chemist.

Someone said that HOOH was an acid also...wow. Just wow.

Didja guys know that this stuff (in high concentrations) can be used to fuel a rocket? Ya might want to stop drinking it.

 

[amy31416]

I abolutely love hydrogen peroxide.

Snip!

The best thing about H2O2 is it's cheap! I swear by it, and I don't care how many "experts" deny its efficacy. Just remember that "experts" also tell us that if you have cancer, radiation is going to help you. In fact, if I believed in conspiracies, I might think that the whole promotion of "anti-oxidants" is an attempt to prevent this wonderful oxidant from stealing too much business from the more lucrative supplement industry.

Yay hydrogen peroxide!

I can see how it would help externally, it's used often to kill certain types of bacteria and I don't think they can build up a resistance to it. I'm not really sure, though, what the long-term effects on the skin would be, given that it's an oxidant--I would exercise some caution and use it only when necessary.

I'm not a skin doctor, so, I'm not sure, but it seems like a bad idea to use it frequently.

 

[Joseph Hart]

ROFL, lets go h2o2 crazy. It cant be as bad as koolaid can it?

 

[youngbuck]

I heard that putting hydrogen peroxide (the diluted stuff you get at the grocery store) into your ear can be really good for you. Many people just use it as a preventative measure to fend off all kinds of things. Ear in infections of course, but even the flu and colds can be helped because if you help your ear out it takes a burden off your immune system.

 

[mackler]

I heard that putting hydrogen peroxide (the diluted stuff you get at the grocery store) into your ear can be really good for you. Many people just use it as a preventative measure to fend off all kinds of things. Ear in infections of course, but even the flu and colds can be helped because if you help your ear out it takes a burden off your immune system.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I do that also. I lie on my side and pour some in. Dissolves the wax away and it feels so good!

 

[mackler]

I can see how it would help externally, it's used often to kill certain types of bacteria and I don't think they can build up a resistance to it. I'm not really sure, though, what the long-term effects on the skin would be, given that it's an oxidant--I would exercise some caution and use it only when necessary.

I'm not a skin doctor, so, I'm not sure, but it seems like a bad idea to use it frequently.

It's oxygen, bro. 20% of the atmosphere you're breathing is oxygen. It's necessary for life. If you're so afraid of oxidants then you should go live in a nitrogen-filled bubble. See how long you last there.

That said, I will caution that if it soaks into the ends of your fingers it hurts like a motherf----r till you wash it off. Still, if I could afford to take a bath in it every day I would.

 

[amy31416]

It's oxygen, bro. 20% of the atmosphere you're breathing is oxygen. It's necessary for life. If you're so afraid of oxidants then you should go live in a nitrogen-filled bubble. See how long you last there.

That said, I will caution that if it soaks into the ends of your fingers it hurts like a motherf----r till you wash it off. Still, if I could afford to take a bath in it every day I would.

It's not simply oxygen, sister. It has the chemical structure H-O-O-H and breaks down via oxidation into H2O and O2. Sounds very innocuous, but consider the fact that it creates free radicals (and I don't mean guys like Ron Paul), free radicals are highly reactive molecules due to an unpaired electron. Hydrogen peroxide is unique in that it can be converted to the highly damaging hydroxyl radical or be catalyzed and excreted harmlessly as water.

So, take your chances. I choose to minimize mine. The reason it hurts like a motherf----r on your fingertips is because it's destroying skin cells.

I've done some benchtop micro before and peroxide is one of the tests to determine the type of bacteria and also to sterilize--things that sterilize (kill cells or destroy cell walls) also kill or mutate our own cells.

Considering that, a dilute mixture will obviously kill the superficial skin cells along with certain types of bacteria, making things seem better short-term, but long-term use could do some serious damage and make you more susceptible to something like skin cancer (that's my off-the-cuff hypothesis.)

 

[mackler]

It's not simply oxygen, sister. It has the chemical structure H-O-O-H and breaks down via oxidation into H2O and O2. Sounds very innocuous, but consider the fact that it creates free radicals (and I don't mean guys like Ron Paul), free radicals are highly reactive molecules due to an unpaired electron. Hydrogen peroxide is unique in that it can be converted to the highly damaging hydroxyl radical or be catalyzed and excreted harmlessly as water.

So, take your chances. I choose to minimize mine. The reason it hurts like a motherf----r on your fingertips is because it's destroying skin cells.

I've done some benchtop micro before and peroxide is one of the tests to determine the type of bacteria and also to sterilize--things that sterilize (kill cells or destroy cell walls) also kill or mutate our own cells.

Considering that, a dilute mixture will obviously kill the superficial skin cells along with certain types of bacteria, making things seem better short-term, but long-term use could do some serious damage and make you more susceptible to something like skin cancer (that's my off-the-cuff hypothesis.)

OMG! THE HIGHLY DAMAGING HYDROXYL RADICAL!! IT WILL MUTATE OUR OWN CELLS!!!! (btw didn't know that you and I were sharing any cells) SKIN CANCER!!! THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE MOST DANGEROUS STUFF ON EARTH!!!

Good thing this is just some off-the-cuff hypothesizing by some anonymous poster named amy31416 on the internet. If you actually had any authoritative sources cited I might start getting worried.

 

[amy31416]

OMG! THE HIGHLY DAMAGING HYDROXYL RADICAL!! IT WILL MUTATE OUR OWN CELLS!!!! (btw didn't know that you and I were sharing any cells) SKIN CANCER!!! THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE MOST DANGEROUS STUFF ON EARTH!!!

Good thing this is just some off-the-cuff hypothesizing by some anonymous poster named amy31416 on the internet. If you actually had any authoritative sources cited I might start getting worried.

Uh. Okay. If you'd like to know my "qualifications" to have an opinion on this, I'd be more than happy to provide them. I worked in medical diagnostics for years and am a huge fan of alternative medicine, I experiment in it all the time. I'm the guinea pig, so are a couple other people on occasion.

Hydroxyl radicals are very damaging, intense UV from the sun or tanning beds can also cause them, which is why tanning freaks get skin cancer. Anyways, I wasn't trying to be alarmist, I was just saying to use caution in overusing peroxide both internally and externally and there's good reason for that. I have absolutely no problem and am a big proponent of alt medicine that works. But the truth is that natural remedies can be very damaging if you don't know what you're doing. My mom has heart issues, and takes Coenzyme Q10, on my recommendation and it's actually helped with no side effects. I took it for a year before I recommended it to her after doing the research.

Read some of the following excerpts from studies on some of the bad effects of hydroxyl radicals:

http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bbb/71/12/71_3014/_article
http://jb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/111/6/693
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5554647-description.html

The only reason I stated that it's "off the cuff" is that I haven't done a ton of research on using peroxide in the manners being recommended, but I do know a lot about the chemical properties and the potential dangers of introducing free radicals to the human body, inside and out.

Whatever will kill or mutate bacteria, will also kill or mutate our own cells, whether they be skin, stomach or any other type, this is why antibiotics can cause serious stomach problems. A bacterial cell is remarkably similar to many of our own cells and our cells are susceptible to the same problems that bacterial are. Peroxide kills many types of bacteria, and it should not be used with reckless abandon.

My caution stands, peroxide is not a miracle cure for all that ails you. If anything, vinegar is safer and used in a similar way as a cure-all, without the potential of free-radical damage.

There's no reason to be hostile, I'm using what I know to look out for the welfare of others, not just take a crap on the hope people may have in various types of cure-alls.

 

[ladyliberty3]

http://educate-yourself.org/cancer/benefitsofhydrogenperozide17jul03.shtml
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1088071#i

 

[s35wf]

for those that question alternative medicine, please do research things thoroughly first, by numerous sources. Before experimenting with anything myself first I ALWAYS research numerous nauropaths, medical sites, homeopaths, etc.. Get your Info from at least 3-4 different souces first.

Products/Brands ive used with success:
standard process
jon barron baseline nutritionals
herbal healer
emerald balance & x balance by sgn nutrition (great superfood drink!)


Professionals stuff i read:
newstarget.com (mike adams)
herbalhealer.com (mariah mccain)
dr. mercola
mark stangler (the natural physician)
dr. williams (forget his website) look it up

 

[amy31416]

for those that question alternative medicine, please do research things thoroughly first, by numerous sources. Before experimenting with anything myself first I ALWAYS research numerous nauropaths, medical sites, homeopaths, etc.. Get your Info from at least 3-4 different souces first.

Products/Brands ive used with success:
standard process
jon barron baseline nutritionals
herbal healer
emerald balance & x balance by sgn nutrition (great superfood drink!)


Professionals stuff i read:
newstarget.com (mike adams)
herbalhealer.com (mariah mccain)
dr. mercola
mark stangler (the natural physician)
dr. williams (forget his website) look it up

Thanks for the info, some new stuff to check out there. If anyone else has some great sites to do research on or knows of a product that you've personally verified that works, I'd love to hear it.

 

[kimosabi]

It's not simply oxygen, sister. It has the chemical structure H-O-O-H and breaks down via oxidation into H2O and O2. Sounds very innocuous, but consider the fact that it creates free radicals (and I don't mean guys like Ron Paul), free radicals are highly reactive molecules due to an unpaired electron. Hydrogen peroxide is unique in that it can be converted to the highly damaging hydroxyl radical or be catalyzed and excreted harmlessly as water.

So, take your chances. I choose to minimize mine. The reason it hurts like a motherf----r on your fingertips is because it's destroying skin cells.

I've done some benchtop micro before and peroxide is one of the tests to determine the type of bacteria and also to sterilize--things that sterilize (kill cells or destroy cell walls) also kill or mutate our own cells.

Considering that, a dilute mixture will obviously kill the superficial skin cells along with certain types of bacteria, making things seem better short-term, but long-term use could do some serious damage and make you more susceptible to something like skin cancer (that's my off-the-cuff hypothesis.)

Your right, I think we should cover ourselves in chlorine instead, oh, that's right, chlorine is the primary ingredient used in chemical weapons, I think I'll take my chances with Hydrogen Peroxide, and another tip, if you don't want to burn your fingertips with Hydrogen Peroxide use the 3% stuff instead of the 35% stuff.

 

[amy31416]

Your right, I think we should cover ourselves in chlorine instead, oh, that's right, chlorine is the primary ingredient used in chemical weapons, I think I'll take my chances with Hydrogen Peroxide, and another tip, if you don't want to burn your fingertips with Hydrogen Peroxide use the 3% stuff instead of the 35% stuff.

The hostility abounds when there is anyone who comes along and shatters your snake oil dreams.

The human body is incredibly complex and things that can be applied to one person can't always be applied to the next.

Obviously you were being sarcastic about chlorine, and I would never suggest using that in any homeopathic way. It kills--everything. I've actually done studies, I mean using a microscope and bacterial cultures and agar and everything that show that it kills every type of bacteria you can dream up, and there's no mutations to date that can escape that.

Why is it that people, no matter right or left, hard liberal or extreme right wing are so closed-minded once they decide that something like praying to Jesus or hydrogen peroxide will save their life?

My dad gargled with hydrogen peroxide and likely swallowed a decent amount of it due to that practice--guess what, he died young of a very rare autoimmune disease! Peroxide ingestion did not save him! Nor do I think that's what killed him.

It has a lot of fantastic uses, I don't think that ingestion is one of them. Nor do I think it's a good idea to bathe in it. If you really think it's a great idea to ignore everything that anyone else may say, so be it. That's your choice.

 

[mackler]

Uh. Okay. If you'd like to know my "qualifications" to have an opinion on this, I'd be more than happy to provide them. I worked in medical diagnostics for years and am a huge fan of alternative medicine, I experiment in it all the time. I'm the guinea pig, so are a couple other people on occasion.

Hydroxyl radicals are very damaging, intense UV from the sun or tanning beds can also cause them, which is why tanning freaks get skin cancer. Anyways, I wasn't trying to be alarmist, I was just saying to use caution in overusing peroxide both internally and externally and there's good reason for that. I have absolutely no problem and am a big proponent of alt medicine that works. But the truth is that natural remedies can be very damaging if you don't know what you're doing. My mom has heart issues, and takes Coenzyme Q10, on my recommendation and it's actually helped with no side effects. I took it for a year before I recommended it to her after doing the research.

Read some of the following excerpts from studies on some of the bad effects of hydroxyl radicals:

http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bbb/71/12/71_3014/_article
http://jb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/111/6/693
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5554647-description.html

The only reason I stated that it's "off the cuff" is that I haven't done a ton of research on using peroxide in the manners being recommended, but I do know a lot about the chemical properties and the potential dangers of introducing free radicals to the human body, inside and out.

Whatever will kill or mutate bacteria, will also kill or mutate our own cells, whether they be skin, stomach or any other type, this is why antibiotics can cause serious stomach problems. A bacterial cell is remarkably similar to many of our own cells and our cells are susceptible to the same problems that bacterial are. Peroxide kills many types of bacteria, and it should not be used with reckless abandon.

My caution stands, peroxide is not a miracle cure for all that ails you. If anything, vinegar is safer and used in a similar way as a cure-all, without the potential of free-radical damage.

There's no reason to be hostile, I'm using what I know to look out for the welfare of others, not just take a crap on the hope people may have in various types of cure-alls.

Let's examine your references. You provide three.

1. A patent description citing no scientific research that makes no mention of H2O2. Hardly an authoritative source for your absurd claims.
2. A study of the effects of ultraviolet radiation on hydroxil radical formation from xanthone. Not a study of the effects of H2O2 on skin, in fact no human skin was involved in this study.
3. A study of the effects of ultraviolet radiation on guinea pig skin. Again, not a study of the effects of H2O2.

Oh yes, and your own credentials as a professional medical diagnostician. As if working for the legalized drug-pushing cartel qualifies one on the subject of health. If you'd like to describe some of the side effects of the poisons your colleagues prescribe as the result of your medical diagnostics I'll accept you as qualified on that subject.

The hostility abounds when there is anyone who comes along and shatters your snake oil dreams.

Ahh yes, the old "snake-oil" epithet. A true classic. You certainly sound qualified to pass the local medical board's licensing requirements. Of course if you were really concerned about snake-oil peddlers you would be directing your abuse toward the AMA. Actually, I take that back, since real snake oil actually has health benefits, unlike the high-priced poisons your medical industry cons its victims into consuming.

What you're detecting is not hostility, it's amusement. I find it highly entertaining the way anyone who works for the organized drug-pushing industry in even the most tangential capacity fancies themselves a health expert