Would you vote for a Romney/Paul ticket?

[jolynna]

“When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.” ~Ron Paul

Joining up with a "wanna-be" war criminal, torturer (Romney has been writing about the virtues of torture for a decade) and the "godfather of spy centers"--started by Romney when he was head of the Governor's Homeland Security Council and owner of ALL the spy centers in China as well as a proponant of the Patriot Act & NDAA AND chomping at the bit to go to war with Iran would make Ron Paul an "accomplice" IF he in ANY way endorsed Romney, the antithesis of freedom & human rights.

How & when Romney STARTED up the "spy centers": http://truth-out.org/index.php?opti...ers-are-watching-the-example-of-massachusetts . Now there are 72 of them...more than one per state with 10,000 contractors working with them according to an investigative report by the Washington Post. The LARGEST & most famous of these is the one they are building in UTAH: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/ .

Here's the article from the New York Times disclosing that Romney owns the Chinese "Spy Centers": http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/w...urveillance-push-in-china.html?pagewanted=all & http://legalnews.findlaw.com/article/0aQ40pd6Uud2V?q=Mitt+Romney.

Join up with Romney and Ron Paul becomes part of Romney's "police state".

In my opinion.

 

[mport1]

No, I cannot support anybody who is in favor of war or the war on drugs. I refuse to have blood on my hands.

 

[sailingaway]

“When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.” ~Ron Paul

Joining up with a "wanna-be" war criminal, torturer (Romney has been writing about the virtues of torture for a decade) and the "godfather of spy centers"--started by Romney when he was head of the Governor's Homeland Security Council and owner of ALL the spy centers in China as well as a proponant of the Patriot Act & NDAA AND chomping at the bit to go to war with Iran would make Ron Paul an "accomplice" IF he in ANY way endorsed Romney, the antithesis of freedom & human rights.

How & when Romney STARTED up the "spy centers": http://truth-out.org/index.php?opti...ers-are-watching-the-example-of-massachusetts . Now there are 72 of them...more than one per state with 10,000 contractors working with them according to an investigative report by the Washington Post. The LARGEST & most famous of these is the one they are building in UTAH: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/ .

Here's the article from the New York Times disclosing that Romney owns the Chinese "Spy Centers": http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/w...urveillance-push-in-china.html?pagewanted=all & http://legalnews.findlaw.com/article/0aQ40pd6Uud2V?q=Mitt+Romney.

Join up with Romney and Ron Paul becomes part of Romney's "police state".

In my opinion.

I understand your position. Mine would be that whether it is O or MR you have that, and having RP would at least showcase it brightly and hopefully wake more up. Without RP as VP you still have O or MR, but not the RP bit. I'd see myself as voting for the RP bit.

But my opinion is driven also by looking around and seeing no 'next Ron Paul' with the ability to wake people up like he does. I frankly don't want to lose his podium in the House without something to replace it.

 

[jolynna]

TO THE ARGUMENT Obama is also taking away freedoms and advancing a police state as well as nation building and being a war criminal, I say, if a serial killer kills only 15 people instead of 50 people he is STILL a serial killer.

This isn't about what Obama does or doesn't do. This is about what Ron Paul is willing to be a part of.


If your child helped a friend steal candy from a grocery store WOULD you be O.K. with what your child did because maybe somebody "else" who would have taken MORE candy would have been the accomplice <if your child had turned down the opportunity>?

I would NOT accept that excuse from a 5-year-old.

"Helping" to get Romney elected instead of proclaiming to the world what the Republican nominee IS, is aiding an abetting whatever evil comes about as a result of Romney being elected. Don't BET that it ISN'T POSSIBLE to be WORSE then Obama. People USED TO SAY it was impossible for a president to be worse than Bush.


In my opinion.

 

[ZENemy]

And that Obama is also taking away freedoms and advancing a police state as well as nation building and being a war criminal, I say, if serial killer kills only 15 people instead of 50 people he is STILL a serial killer.

“When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.” ~Ron Paul

We are talking creepy-crawly, really BAD wrongdoing with the two candidates running this time around. No decent person should want any part of it.

In my opinion.

I concur, besides, would you guys want Ron Paul to be Obamas VP? Romney and Obama are EXACTLY THE SAME, they are fincanced by the same banks and lie JUST the same.

http://ivn.us/2012/07/17/100-ways-mitt-romney-is-just-like-barack-obama/

 

[sailingaway]

And that Obama is also taking away freedoms and advancing a police state as well as nation building and being a war criminal, I say, if serial killer kills only 15 people instead of 50 people he is STILL a serial killer.

“When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.” ~Ron Paul

We are talking creepy-crawly, really BAD wrongdoing with the two candidates running this time around. No decent person should want any part of it.

In my opinion.

Ron wouldn't want it. But if nominated on the floor by US and supported by the establishment to win, he MIGHT do it -- for us. He'd be the only good spot in the choice.

But I'm not arguing anyone to change, I understand the other point of view. This is just how I feel.

 

[CaptUSA]

And that Obama is also taking away freedoms and advancing a police state as well as nation building and being a war criminal, I say, if serial killer kills only 15 people instead of 50 people he is STILL a serial killer.

“When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.” ~Ron Paul

We are talking creepy-crawly, really BAD wrongdoing with the two candidates running this time around. No decent person should want any part of it.

In my opinion.

Come on... Do you really think Ron Paul would be part of that? Hell, he's been part of the government for 30 years and he's never been part of that. There's no way Paul would roll over for Romney. Which is why it would be beneficial to have someone like that in the cabinet meetings. When the rest of the room is plotting something nefarious, Dr. Paul would be telling America to take cover!

 

[jbauer]

Not any less powerful then sitting at home in Texas.

Nope. Because the Doctor would have no power to direct things. VP is a powerless position.

 

[sailingaway]

I concur, besides, would you guys want Ron Paul to be Obamas VP? Romney and Obama are EXACTLY THE SAME, they are fincanced by the same banks and lie JUST the same.

http://ivn.us/2012/07/17/100-ways-mitt-romney-is-just-like-barack-obama/

I was wondering that myself. I would certainly CONSIDER it, the thing is, Romney would NEED Ron to get elected and Obama already has his power structure built -- or I should say there is one in place that has HIM. I think Ron would be in a better situation to be independent and visible with Romney. I also think that while Ron MIGHT do it with Romney IF WE nominated him from the floor, after 40 years in the GOP I don't know if he'd want to go out on a Dem ticket.

But would I vote for it? I would have to consider it.

I agree Romney is no better, but he is more needy of what RON brings to the table, and Ron can use that.

 

[sailingaway]

Come on... Do you really think Ron Paul would be part of that? Hell, he's been part of the government for 30 years and he's never been part of that. There's no way Paul would roll over for Romney. Which is why it would be beneficial to have someone like that in the cabinet meetings. When the rest of the room is plotting something nefarious, Dr. Paul would be telling America to take cover!

This.

Ron has been our window into what is happening in Congress. I suspect some things he might not attend because he couldn't speak of them (like those secret Congress sessions he won't attend where you have to sign you won't disclose what happened.) However, I would love that window into the executive branch.

But it isn't going to happen, because the powers supporting Romney WOULDN'T like it.

They would rather Romney lost.

 

[ZENemy]

I was wondering that myself. I would certainly CONSIDER it, the thing is, Romney would NEED Ron to get elected and Obama already has his power structure built -- or I should say there is one in place that has HIM. I think Ron would be in a better situation to be independent and visible with Romney. I also think that while Ron MIGHT do it with Romney IF WE nominated him from the floor, after 40 years in the GOP I don't know if he'd want to go out on a Dem ticket.

But would I vote for it? I would have to consider it.

I agree Romney is no better, but he is more needy of what RON brings to the table, and Ron can use that.

They will block Ron Paul just like always, from what I am reading the VP has as much power as the POTUS allows, Im SUUUUUURE that Mitt, being such an open, honest loving guy would NEVER block any of Ron's important ideas/legislation?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I was wondering that myself. I would certainly CONSIDER it, the thing is, Romney would NEED Ron to get elected and Obama already has his power structure built -- or I should say there is one in place that has HIM. I think Ron would be in a better situation to be independent and visible with Romney. I also think that while Ron MIGHT do it with Romney IF WE nominated him from the floor, after 40 years in the GOP I don't know if he'd want to go out on a Dem ticket.

But would I vote for it? I would have to consider it.

I agree Romney is no better, but he is more needy of what RON brings to the table, and Ron can use that.

I agree.

It's a vehicle to travel around in to get the message out. You might not like the ride, but it's gets you to where you can be heard. IF you cannot be heard, then the answer should be no, I'm not taking that ride.
Ron ran on a third party ticket the first time, and got no time in the publics view, then he went with the republican ticket and that gave him more exposure. He did not change his tune, only the instrument that he played because it was louder.

 

[ZENemy]

This.

Ron has been our window into what is happening in Congress. I suspect some things he might not attend because he couldn't speak of them (like those secret Congress sessions he won't attend where you have to sign you won't disclose what happened.) However, I would love that window into the executive branch.

But it isn't going to happen, because the powers supporting Romney WOULDN'T like it.

They would rather Romney lost.

Exactly, yet people are thinking if we sorta FORCE vote or MAKE Romney accept us he is going to be happy about it? It would be EVEN worse, a power struggle and Romney will get to announce "The US gov is dead I am taking over as the one true leader" instead of obama.

 

[TheGrinch]

If our delegates want to use their numbers to try to get Dr. Paul nominated as VP, I support it.

If Dr. Paul feels it will help the cause of liberty and our future, I will support him.

However, if Mittens pushes for him as VP to pander to us, I will not support that (though I think this is highly unlikely. Romney might be a flip-flopper, but he's not going to change his rhetoric to anti-establishment rhetoric, and we know Dr. Paul won't comprimise in his views or rhetoric. Thus, this is most likely a losing strategy to have conflicting messages against the Obama rhetoric machine. They have to know this, and would likely rather lose without throwing us a bone than likely lose by letting our views into the message)

 

[sailingaway]

They will block Ron Paul just like always, from what I am reading the VP has as much power as the POTUS allows, Im SUUUUUURE that Mitt, being such an open, honest loving guy would NEVER block any of Ron's important ideas/legislation?

Not for legislation, I'm not talking about that kind of power, just independence to comment. There are always two sides to an issue, and media WILL put a mic in Ron's face when they realize he will continue to say what he believes. They are far less likely to put that mic in his face if he is a retired congressman in Texas with a policy PAC.
And if Mitt is absolutely insufferable, how much media would it get if a VP resigned?

I would vote for Ron because I trust him.

But it isn't going to happen.

 

[ZENemy]

I can see it now

Fox news: Here comes Ron Paul, Vice president with a quick word for the people of the united states
Ron Paul: Now, first thing we must do is abolish HUD, The drug war and the I.R....
Fox News: QUICK go to commercial.
Fox News: And we are back, lets hear from Mitt Romney who has just made a trillion dollars selling slaves to Israel.


ALLL DAY!

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Not for legislation, I'm not talking about that kind of power, just independence to comment. There are always two sides to an issue, and media WILL put a mic in Ron's face when they realize he will continue to say what he believes. They are far less likely to put that mic in his face if he is a retired congressman in Texas with a policy PAC.
And if Mitt is absolutely insufferable, how much media would it get if a VP resigned?

I would vote for Ron because I trust him.

But it isn't going to happen.

Exactly, we are talking "what ifs" here, and this "what if" is very unlikely. But "what if" Ron were nominated for anything and he accepted, I'm in.

 

[sailingaway]

I can see it now

Fox news: Here comes Ron Paul, Vice president with a quick word for the people of the united states
Ron Paul: Now, first thing we must do is abolish HUD, The drug war and the I.R....
Fox News: QUICK go to commercial.
Fox News: And we are back, lets hear from Mitt Romney who has just made a trillion dollars selling slaves to Israel.


ALLL DAY!

Then you get the headline where the VP resigns and has a press conference.

And WITHOUT Ron in, what do you get?

But it won't happen so I really don't think we need to get too far into the weeds.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Someone, quick, get out the crystal ball and tell us how it all ends.....

 

[jolynna]

Then you get the headline where the VP resigns and has a press conference.

And WITHOUT Ron in, what do you get?

But it won't happen so I really don't think we need to get too far into the weeds.

To that I again say:

This isn't about what Obama does or doesn't do. This is about what Ron Paul is willing to be a part of.

If your child helped a friend steal candy from a grocery store WOULD you be O.K. with what your child did because maybe somebody "else" who would have taken MORE candy would have been the accomplice <if your child had turned down the opportunity>?

I would NOT accept that excuse from a 5-year-old.

"Helping" to get Romney elected instead of proclaiming to the world what the Republican nominee IS, is aiding and abetting whatever evil comes about as a result of Romney being elected. Don't BET that it ISN'T POSSIBLE to be WORSE then Obama. People "USED TO" say it was impossible for a president to be worse than Bush.

When you run across wrong, you stomp it out...you DON'T build it up because of the "WORSE OPTION" you think is out there. We tried doing that when we helped Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban fight the Russians. THAT worked out well.

As always, my opinion, only.