Women and guns

ShT

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Hello, I'm a young libertarian from France. I've never been to the US and I'm wondering how things works there.
I'm deeply sorry to show you this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ydjUJn0wh4
This video is really awful to watch, but I'm intrigued by the comment of ItalianPyro92, who is from the US (according to his profile)
ud get shot here for that most girls where i live carry guns lol

Is it true ? In which area of the US precisely ?

Thanks
 
I am not sure you are serious, but that video is pretty rude.
There are many women that go armed. There are many women that would stomp their asses unarmed.

Several women on this forum are shooters and their are plenty of videos on You tube.





You never know.
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to answer your question, the US is divided into 50 different states that has its own rules when you can shoot and when you can't. however looking at that video that women was never really in any danger. Even in Texas (the most self defense and gun friendly state, if she shot that man, should would had gone to court and defended herself). if she did pull out a gun and shot him in my state, Illinois she would have 100% gone to court then jail.
heres a more interesting case Joe Horn case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JApxwaRFTLU
 
Thanks for your answers. The Joe Horn video is very scary. So even in the most gun friendly state, hot burglaries do happen. How could we explain that ?
I've read stuff like "Gun Facts" but I hate it, the sources are untraceable.
 
Hello, I'm a young libertarian from France. I've never been to the US and I'm wondering how things works there.
I'm deeply sorry to show you this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ydjUJn0wh4
This video is really awful to watch, but I'm intrigued by the comment of ItalianPyro92, who is from the US (according to his profile)


Is it true ? In which area of the US precisely ?

Thanks

I read this last night and gave it a little time to digest.

Being from Europe it is no surprise that you are uncomfortable with firearms since you all have been mainly unarmed since god only knows when. The USA is not the wild west as so many have depicted. That is a bald-faced lie. There are criminals aplenty, that is for sure, but the same can be said for any nation you care to name, including France. In any event, the USA cannot be quite compared with Europe due to several fundamental differences which I will not go into here. I will note, however, that some of those differences are narrowing and as we see, for example, the rates of "foreigners" rise, crime rates also go up. England is a good example of this. And as they have eviscerated their citizens' abilities to acquire and keep firearms to almost absolute levels, it is interesting to observe how their rates of violent crime and those committed with firearms have skyrocketed. Funny, that.

Consider the USA with its 310 million people and at least that many firearms is so quiet and peaceful. Were things as bad as some claim, we would all need canoes to get around for all the blood that your run in the streets.... what few of us that would remain. That, I am happy to say, is not the case. The rates of violent crimes, those committed with weapons of any sort, and those with firearms have been declining steadily for about 25 years, innocently coinciding with the liberalization of firearms laws. More people carry now than any time in the last 100 years - tens of millions carry a gun on a frequent basis, yet no bloodbaths. Huh...

The one area that remains troublesome is strictly drug-related. The "war on drugs" has spawned a subculture of violence and other crime and that could be taken care of in the main and virtually over night through legislation. I have the figures but have yet to do the statistical calculation that demonstrates that about half of the US murder rate is drug-related. When we remove that factor, the rate in the USA then rivals that of the European nations with our trend going down and that of much of Europe going up, the USA being freer in that sense and Europe very decidedly less so.

Just as is the case for ANYONE traveling to any foreign soil, onus rests with them to educate themselves beforehand - to gain a basic understanding of the culture and to become aware of how one should not proceed. For example, wandering about in known tourist areas looking like a lost puppy is not a good idea is any nation because, people being what they are across the globe, there are always predators. Less severe is this in some places than others, but always still a possibility, so don't act like you have no brains because someone may then treat you in kind.

The USA is as safe as just about any place you care to name. Just stay away from places like south-central Los Angeles where the Mexicans run, drugs and violence are common, and white people are not welcome. It is up to you to ask questions of the locals as to where it may be unsafe to go. People here are as friendly, kind, generous, and helpful as anywhere and a lot more so than in most other nations. Take advantage of that and keep yourself well informed and you should have no troubles at all. Shit happens to tourists, but it is very uncommon. The same happens to Americans abroad. Human nature at work.
 
Thank you Osan for you long answer but my questions are more specific. You mentioned the riots in London, could we compare with those in LA, twenty years ago if I remember correctly ?
 
Thank you Osan for you long answer but my questions are more specific. You mentioned the riots in London, could we compare with those in LA, twenty years ago if I remember correctly ?

http://survivalandprosperity.com/tag/gun-control/

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Stories are emerging of Londoners forming vigilante groups to protect their homes and businesses, but police have warned this is making matters worse.

When rioters struck in Stoke Newington, north-east London, on Monday night, a group of Turkish shopkeepers were in no doubt about what was required.

Arming themselves with rudimentary weapons – a rubber hose or a piece of metal from a hoover – they were poorly equipped to see off the hundreds of youths who were running amok, smashing windows and setting fire to homes.

But their statement of intent was clear.

“Every man is entitled to defend his castle and we’ll defend the shop against anybody,” said one.

Self Defense is a Human Right.

http://www.rightsofthepeople.com/gu..._from_anti_gun_feminist_to_armed_feminist.php
L.A. Riots turn anti-gun advocates into pro-gun supporters

LA Riots, rioting, looting and killingWithin a week, the very street where this incident happened had erupted in rioting, looting and killing.

I watched on television as the Korean grocers defended their property with AK-47's and AR-15's, and thus prevented it from being torched and looted. The police couldn't stop the violence and killing.

I had friends who worked in the garment district in LA who barely made it out alive, and who told tales of pulling out pistols and having would-be attackers turn tail and run away.

Guns were saving lives and property
 
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Welcome, ShT!
Not to be too forward, but does that mean something else in French? Seems like you're missing an i.... ;)

I need to address something Osan said - about south central LA. The thing you need to realize is that California is not a gun-friendly state. There are large metropolitan areas with bad reputations in the US - LA, NY, DC, and Chicago. I don't think it's an accident that all of these cities are in areas that are gun-unfriendly.

I live in northern Virginia, right next to Washington, DC and almost on the border with Maryland. Virginia is among the most gun-friendly states in the US. Maryland is among the most gun-UNfriendly states, and DC is worse.
The only thing that separates gun-friendly territory with un-friendly territory here is a river.
Once you cross that river into Maryland or DC, you find what you find in New York or LA or anywhere: areas that have a lot of money are safer than areas that don't have a lot of money, but even the safe areas are a little sketchy.
But in Virginia, I've never feared walking through the wrong alley.

To answer your question, I seldom go anywhere without a pistol.

I carry it concealed, which requires a state-issued permit. I have the option in Virginia of carrying it openly - that is one reason Virginia is gun friendly. You can walk around with it strapped to your hip with no permit required, and most police officers aren't going to even question it. I choose to conceal it because of other citizens' perception of it (people are just not that enlightened).

Plus, I think of myself as what we sometimes call a "sheep dog". Just as a sheep dog sometimes gets confused with the flock, and only shows his fangs to frighten off the wolves - so you will also find ordinary citizens here who are capable of killing a wolf if the need arises. And in the same way we don't harm the sheep. But criminals are not wolves - they are people. And even though they can't tell where the sheep dogs are, they know they are out there, and are not likely to take actions that will get their brains blown out. It doesn't take many sheep dogs to make criminals think twice.

In order to get the concealed permit here (many other states have permits as well with similar requirements) I had to show that I had some rudimentary training in shooting. Military service counts, and hunting licenses count, but most people choose to take a specialized course in basic pistol which is designed to train people in how to carry.
The course I took (it's an NRA designed course) spend just as much time on going over when it's ok to shoot and when it's not, and different legal issues, as they do on actually handling the firearms.

(I think it's important to note that the system is only concerned with safe handling of firearms, and does not require citizens to learn anything about the law or whether they're going to jail for shooting someone in their particular situation. This is something the market developed without state interference.)

So the point of all that: the majority of sheepdogs - overwhelming majority - have knowledge of when it is appropriate to end a life and when it isn't, and are also aware of what is likely to get them thrown in prison and what is likely to result in their walking free.

Shooting someone for getting slapped in the ass is likely to get you thrown in prison.
But it's going to depend on the circumstances of the case.
If the woman was getting repeatedly slapped in the ass, or if the man was moving on to other things like groping her breasts, then in Virginia it would probably be ruled as justified.
If the guy had lots of friends, and they were all doing it or surrounded her, then it would probably be ruled justified. (Unless he was secretly a cop, but that's another story.)

One slap and then bang-bang corpse? No, she's probably doing time.

Of course, the complication is that most gun owners/carriers know that if they shoot someone, they're at least going to have the gun confiscated, they might be spending the night in jail, might have to post bail, will probably have to defend themselves in court, et cetera - meaning that ending someone's life is an expensive prospect, both in money and time, and the shooter may also suffer a considerable loss in reputation. It is very, very expensive to kill someone, even justifiably. The law is very specific in most states that it is only justified in cases where the shooter is about to lose his life or suffer gross bodily harm. So the shooter needs to weight that: is what's about to happen to me at the hands of this criminal worse than what the state is going to do to me if I shoot him? If so, then bang-bang.

The other thing to remember is that having the barrel of a gun pointed at your nose tends to alter the situation immediately. If she got slapped and then brandished (technical term), then he probably is going to put his hands in the air and back away slowly. John Lott of the University of Maryland (look up his books) has estimated that there could be as many as 2 million "defensive" uses of firearms every year, where all that needed to happen is showing the assailant that the victim is armed, to stop the situation.

I hope this helps, and welcome to the forums - stick around and listen to us ramble.
 
Welcome, ShT!

:)

Seems like you're missing an i.... ;)

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I need to address something Osan said - about south central LA. The thing you need to realize is that California is not a gun-friendly state. There are large metropolitan areas with bad reputations in the US - LA, NY, DC, and Chicago. I don't think it's an accident that all of these cities are in areas that are gun-unfriendly.

I live in northern Virginia, right next to Washington, DC and almost on the border with Maryland. Virginia is among the most gun-friendly states in the US. Maryland is among the most gun-UNfriendly states, and DC is worse.
The only thing that separates gun-friendly territory with un-friendly territory here is a river.
Once you cross that river into Maryland or DC, you find what you find in New York or LA or anywhere: areas that have a lot of money are safer than areas that don't have a lot of money, but even the safe areas are a little sketchy.
But in Virginia, I've never feared walking through the wrong alley.
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Oh! I didn't know that guns are not allowed in Baltimore. (I love the show The Wire btw)
The problem is that this argument could be used by anti gun people (I'm not one of them), there is no real borders between federal states so a thug from Virginia can easily buy a gun and commit a crime in Maryland. So banning guns from Virginia would turn Maryland safer. Another argument is : Virginia is a safe state and Maryland is not, so there is no point of banning guns in Virginia but doing it in Maryland would be a good thing.

Detroit has the highest criminal rate, what about the legislation in Michigan ?
 
Detroit has the highest criminal rate, what about the legislation in Michigan ?

I live in Michigan,, but am far from Detroit (thankfully).
Violence is not caused by the availability or lack of guns. (there are other causes)
In fact most gun laws were created to prevent minorities from owning guns to defend themselves.

Gun laws often prevent those that need the protection from having it available.
 
Oh! I didn't know that guns are not allowed in Baltimore. (I love the show The Wire btw)
Well, you can own guns in Maryland.
Technically, you can own "guns" everywhere in the US.
Even when DC totally banned guns, there was still a law on the books that allowed people to apply for permits to own firearms.
However, there was no agency in charge of issuing the permits, so it was impossible to attain one. It was a de facto ban, not an actual ban.
This is also how drugs are illegal on the federal level here. You just need a tax stamp to legally own marijuana. But you'll never find anyone willing to let you pay the tax on it.
Let it not be said that we're not an inventive people...
The reason Maryland is unfriendly is because the rules on transporting firearms are very strict, and it's generally not legal under any circumstances to go about your business with a Glock stuffed in your waistband. But even though I call Maryland "bad", it's still better than most of Europe.

The problem is that this argument could be used by anti gun people (I'm not one of them), there is no real borders between federal states so a thug from Virginia can easily buy a gun and commit a crime in Maryland. So banning guns from Virginia would turn Maryland safer. Another argument is : Virginia is a safe state and Maryland is not, so there is no point of banning guns in Virginia but doing it in Maryland would be a good thing.

Violence is not caused by the availability or lack of guns. (there are other causes)
In fact most gun laws were created to prevent minorities from owning guns to defend themselves.

True. but I'd concentrate more on this part

Gun laws often prevent those that need the protection from having it available.
It's the "bearing" part of "keep and bear arms" that most gun laws in the US are targeting. You can own firearms in Maryland, but you can't have it with you in your car when you're going to the bank, like you can in Virginia.

As far as violence not being caused by lack of guns... all I would say is that if you watch the local evening news around DC, you get story after story about violence in DC and Montgomery and Prince George's counties in Maryland, but nothing from Virginia.

There was that thing in far southern Virginia at Tech in 2006. But again, it was a functionally disarmed population.
It also wasn't that far at all (130 miles drive) from Appalachian School of Law where, 4 years before the VT massacre, students used firearms defensively to stop such a thing happening.
 
Thank you Osan for you long answer but my questions are more specific. You mentioned the riots in London, could we compare with those in LA, twenty years ago if I remember correctly ?

I do not recall mentioning riots in London, just a rising crime rate.

The LA riots were the result of stupid people reacting in a predictably stupid fashion. Those cannot be compared with daily situations.
 


I like girls and guns. Especially this girl.

Thank you Sasha for saving Christmas from the Grinch ;)
 
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Yeah, I don't know how to really answer this question. Do women carry guns in the united States? Some do. I personally carry. I'm a guy. More guys tend to carry. My mother has it ingrained in her mind that the cops will save her. I also live in a small midwestern town of about 5,000 people so there is less of a supply for crime in this area.

I share the sentiment that it would not be wise to shoot someone for slapping your butt. I definitely agree with the defensive argument. I probably wouldn't do something if someone pointed a gun in my face and told me to leave.

Are gun laws bad? I think so. If someone stabs me and I could have prevented it by having a gun if there wasn't the gun law, then I believe I am worse off because I could have prevented this situation (assuming I am prepared).

What's a good justification of gun laws? I can't think of many. They have them so 'bad" people can't kill other people. How do you tell who is who and is it correct to stop everyone from having guns? I don't think so.

I live in Indiana where we can buy a lifetime carry permit for 150. It can be open, concealed, or in a safe. It doesn't matter. Should one have to pay the government in order to carry an object on their waste? I think not. When I went to the local police station I told them I was there to pay my extortion fee. The cop laughed.

I want to comment on the crime to gun ownership statistics. Is there a pretty strong corollary between those 2 variables? I think there might be but there are a lot of other things that go into violence, access to drugs, social-cultural things, etc. I do think that if you have a gun that it definitely gives them a reason not to commit a crime.
 
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Detroit has the highest criminal rate, what about the legislation in Michigan ?


Hello, ShT, and welcome!

In response to your question about Michigan, let me add one more thing: Very often large cities like Detroit pass their own anti-gun laws, even when the city is in a state that might be relatively gun friendly otherwise.

In Michigan, there are a lot of hunters, who obviously own guns. But almost every sort of firearm is prohibited within Detroit. (At least this is my understanding. Anyone from Michigan care to chime in on this?)

ShT, in my opinion the whole gun question comes down to this: If a bad person knows he is likely to get shot if he attacks a good person, he will probably not attack. If a bad person knows there is no chance of getting shot by a good person, the bad person will most definitely attack.

There is a pro-gun writer here in the United States who is often quoted as saying, "An armed society is a polite society." I think he's right.
 
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..... So banning guns from Virginia would turn Maryland safer. Another argument is : Virginia is a safe state and Maryland is not, so there is no point of banning guns in Virginia but doing it in Maryland would be a good thing.

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Such statements are based on the unproven assumption that there is a relationship of a gun ban and safety.

Is the claim that a gun ban prevents crime, or prevents crime using guns? If the claim is that crime is reduced, the last 15 years of experience in the UK and Australia would suggest otherwise.

If the claim is that guns used in crime will be prevented, them=n the question is why are there still crimes committed with guns in the UK and Australia, and why do mass shootings in the US tend to occur in "gun free" zones?

The answer would seem to be that criminal do not obey gun laws, as they tend not to obey other laws as well. Perhaps that is why they are criminals.
 
I swear my heart started beating faster the moment I read the thread title, two of my favorite topics together!

The thought of strong-willed, self-confident women with the means and the minds to defend themselves is, just, well gosh darn exciting!

Just throw in some gold/silver jewelery and let me meet them at a Ron Paul rally and I'd think I was in heaven!

 
I carry and the beautiful young lady sitting on the other couch (ALV4Liberty) carries also. We live in Alabama, so at least one gal in this state CCWs.
 
Thanks for your answers. The Joe Horn video is very scary. So even in the most gun friendly state, hot burglaries do happen. How could we explain that ?
I've read stuff like "Gun Facts" but I hate it, the sources are untraceable.


Criminals are stupid.
 
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