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ALERT 8/21/15: JONATHAN CAHN SEEMS TO HAVE MOVED OR DELETED HIS YOUTUBE VIDEOS WHICH DISABLED ABOUT HALF THE VIDEOS IN THIS THREAD. WILL NOTE EACH POST WHEN I HAVE TIME OR FIND ALTERNATE SOURCE.
I just finished reading two books by Messianic Jewish Rabbi Jonathan Cahn.
The Harbinger
(The Ancient Mystery That Holds the Secret of America's Future)
and
The Mystery of the Shemitah
(The 3000-year Old Mystery)
SPOILER ALERT: This thread is all about spoilers to the max, so if you're wanting to be entertained rather than just informed by these books, read them first or ignore this thread. The two books cost money, less than $20 total (On Google Play, you can get them right now), but still enough that people might want in depth reviews before they buy which I plan on providing.
These are Christian books. This thread is about those books, the message of those books, the ministry of Rabbi Jonathan Cahn, and really about the Ron Paul movement, because as you will see if you pay attention, these books are VERY, VERY relevant to all the stuff this movement represents. So much so that I almost see it as kind of spooky that these books have become so famous and yet no one on this forum that I've noticed has really came out and talked about them except for a couple threads and mentions like "Anybody heard about this Shemitah, economic cycle thingy? Sounds interesting". Anyway, obviously now that's not true, but when you understand how CLOSE we are to the dates talked about in the books, it might spook some of you out as well.
Now we are going to be talking about dates. Now I've said many times, and luckily Jonathan also says that it isn't about predicting dates, but the dates manifest themselves nonetheless. They are more "signs" than predictions. As he says, nothing "has to happen". But he also says he thinks it's wise to take note. The most "significant" date he points out from his interpretations is 9/13/15. Now this date is significant but so is 9/11/01 and stock crash of 9/28/08 but 9/13/15 is like the SUPER DATE. It's not a forever continuing thing, it's terminal. But it's not "something happens on that date" but that date is a very significant threshhold.
Now I just wanted to throw the date out there just to break the tension really. That's the gem for the paranoids. And keep in mind The Harbinger is a 2011 book. Mystery of the Shemitah is a 2014 book but it didn't set a new date or anything, it only reinforced and expanded on the concept. NOTHING CHANGED. There wasn't anything like a retraction, or this didn't make sense, etc. He only provided more evidence.
What are these books about?
These books are written by a Messianic Jewish Rabbi who believes that the events surrounding the 9/11 attacks and specifically the details of the 9/11 attack itself as well as the story of Israel, it's rise and fall, the USA, it's rise and fall are inexorably linked and the truth of God's design is written all over the event. He fills nearly 600 pages in the two books making hundreds of connections. He believes we are being warned and he wrote the books because he felt called to warn.
In fact, in my opinion the book title's are quite subtle given their subject matter. A more blunt title would be:
Clear evidence that God Let 9/11 Happen Because Our Nation Has Turned Evil and that's just a warning of something worse coming, so repent today: Part 1: Written in story narrative so it's easy for people to understand."
...and then the Shemitah book would just be:
"Part 2: More evidence in non-fiction form for those who still aren't believing. You got less than a year now, bro."
Why I think you should read these books
Now, some Christians might think, "well, I just trust in God, I don't worry about dates", etc. That's great. I still think you should read these books ESPECIALLY as an RPF'er. I can honestly say it's almost as if these books were directed at people on this forum.
Here are just a few of the subjects touched on: Going off the gold standard, Bretton Woods, IMF, Israel, NYSE, Lehman Brothers
That's just the economic side. He touches the religious side in ways I've never seen anyone do.
I can honestly say after watching hours of this guys videos and reading his books that he, to me, is the Ron Paul of the evangelical movement. I say that in complete seriousness. In the same way I was fed up with politicians, I also have had serious problems with the evangelicals and Christians in general in this country. It seems there was no one with any real fire or passion or inkling of speaking with the Spirit. This guy to me seems like the real deal. He's amazing to watch. And seeing his effect on the simpleton talk show evangelicals that he goes on humbles me. They literally just seem stricken with paralysis at the power of his words.
I watched a video with one talk show host who had read an early copy of Shemitah book and said the ending made him cry. He practically broke down just recalling it. Well, it was powerful, indeed, if you understand it, I didn't think it was "sad", but when you read really powerful truth, especially if you aren't used to it, it can floor you. Why? Because it makes you believe. And when your spirit actually "believes" and touches that world it's very overwhelming. I actually had a similar experience watching another one of his videos a while back when he was talking about how it was obvious from scripture that Jesus was born in the spring. Just the way he unlocks the truth of the bible so effortlessly is awe inspiring.
Just an example in the first 10 minutes of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePr_5Ju7Ib4
He talks about when the crowds were touching Jesus' garments to heal themselves. He makes the connection with the healing "wings" of the Cherubim on the ark of the covenant (Jesus being the living Ark) and how the Hebrew word for "wings" is also the name for the traditional jewish garment that men would wear around their waist that Jesus most certainly would have had. In Luke 8:44 and elsewhere it talks about people touching that "border" and being healed. AND THEN! he makes the connection of God's commandment that you should not reap the corners of your field because that's a gift for the poor (Leviticus 23:22). And he explains how that healing that happened by touching Jesus' garment border was symbolic of the command to give to the poor. Just absolutely amazing and insightful.
And that isn't like some "gem" I found after watching tons of videos, those kinds of things just flow from this guys mouth like a fire hose. I can't even keep up.
The overall message of Jonathan Cahn and the Liberty Movement
There are numerous connections, to me, between the liberty movement and Cahns books. But the main one is definitely 9/11 and repentance. Ultimately his core message is that 9/11 was a judgement/warning to turn back to God. We simply became more defiant.
When I read his books I couldn't help but be reminded of the moment that Ron Paul set himself apart from all the other candidates in the 2008 campaign by talking about blowback? And why? Because the Ron Paul movement represented the only group of people really who understood that America needed to repent. That we needed to change our ways, that ultimately 9/11 was PREVENTABLE. And I think any RPF members who read these books will see that connection plus many more.
I hope tons of you guys read these books, seriously.
What I'm going to Do
I'm going to spend some considerable time digging into this guy. Just like I did with Ron Paul. For me to say someone is the "Ron Paul" of something isn't a small thing. So I'm going to continue vetting him. Now that I've finished his books....
...oh, reminds me...
Granted, I am kind of obsessive when it comes to scripture, religion, and prophecy but I read both of those books in two days where I slept and went to work. Bought them on Google Play on Wednesday and Friday morning and was finished with both Friday night. I actually read Shemitah book first even though it was the second book because reviewers said it summarized the first book. And it did. And it's non-fiction form which is a little less annoying if you want the message fast. But I wasn't dissappointed at all going back and reading Harbinger afterwards. Harbinger is kind of parable story form but all the facts are REAL FACTS, he just wrote it in a fictional narrative, basically so it's dialog instead of him lecturing you.
Shemitah kind of gives you the "factual anomalies" and a strong outline and Harbinger kind of gives it color and makes it much more personal. I recommend both, but for RPF'ers I would say if you had to pick just one, read Shemitah Mystery.
...anyway, now that I've finished the books, probably just going to explore other writings and videos and post related info to this thread. His ministry is an end-times ministry and his books are just the complete message really so it's all relevant.
......
Anyway, want to get a post out so I'll stop here for now. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Going to watch and add to this thread. Hoping to turn this into a discussion thread about the book, but wondering if anyone here has even read it.
Discussion Seeds if you need a launching point:
1. What do you think of the Shemitah as a commandment? That every 7th year all the land is communal and can't be farmed and that all financial debts are wiped out? Obviously, not very libertarian, but it is biblical law. Tyler Durden would approve.
2. What do you think of the concept that God allowed 9/11 to happen? Kind of makes sense when you think about all the weird circumstances surrounding it. The terrorists "did it" but like David killing goliath with a stone it sort of counts as a couldn't-have-happened-without-God miraclulous circumstantial event.
3. What is your opinion of Jonathan Cahn? Does he inspire you? Do you think he's a fraud?
THREAD RULES
1. Be nice and don't make me edit this section.
2. This thread is intentionally in the religious forum. And the theme in that sense is the theme of Jonathan Cahn's ministry which is the unifying concept of repentance and the call of both the righteous AND non-righteous to repentance and believing on Jesus Christ. I would really appreciate if we could stick to that and get along and if we could minimize the petty boring bickering over church doctrine differences that you are all incorrect about.
I just finished reading two books by Messianic Jewish Rabbi Jonathan Cahn.
The Harbinger
(The Ancient Mystery That Holds the Secret of America's Future)
and
The Mystery of the Shemitah
(The 3000-year Old Mystery)
SPOILER ALERT: This thread is all about spoilers to the max, so if you're wanting to be entertained rather than just informed by these books, read them first or ignore this thread. The two books cost money, less than $20 total (On Google Play, you can get them right now), but still enough that people might want in depth reviews before they buy which I plan on providing.
These are Christian books. This thread is about those books, the message of those books, the ministry of Rabbi Jonathan Cahn, and really about the Ron Paul movement, because as you will see if you pay attention, these books are VERY, VERY relevant to all the stuff this movement represents. So much so that I almost see it as kind of spooky that these books have become so famous and yet no one on this forum that I've noticed has really came out and talked about them except for a couple threads and mentions like "Anybody heard about this Shemitah, economic cycle thingy? Sounds interesting". Anyway, obviously now that's not true, but when you understand how CLOSE we are to the dates talked about in the books, it might spook some of you out as well.
Now we are going to be talking about dates. Now I've said many times, and luckily Jonathan also says that it isn't about predicting dates, but the dates manifest themselves nonetheless. They are more "signs" than predictions. As he says, nothing "has to happen". But he also says he thinks it's wise to take note. The most "significant" date he points out from his interpretations is 9/13/15. Now this date is significant but so is 9/11/01 and stock crash of 9/28/08 but 9/13/15 is like the SUPER DATE. It's not a forever continuing thing, it's terminal. But it's not "something happens on that date" but that date is a very significant threshhold.
Now I just wanted to throw the date out there just to break the tension really. That's the gem for the paranoids. And keep in mind The Harbinger is a 2011 book. Mystery of the Shemitah is a 2014 book but it didn't set a new date or anything, it only reinforced and expanded on the concept. NOTHING CHANGED. There wasn't anything like a retraction, or this didn't make sense, etc. He only provided more evidence.
What are these books about?
These books are written by a Messianic Jewish Rabbi who believes that the events surrounding the 9/11 attacks and specifically the details of the 9/11 attack itself as well as the story of Israel, it's rise and fall, the USA, it's rise and fall are inexorably linked and the truth of God's design is written all over the event. He fills nearly 600 pages in the two books making hundreds of connections. He believes we are being warned and he wrote the books because he felt called to warn.
In fact, in my opinion the book title's are quite subtle given their subject matter. A more blunt title would be:
Clear evidence that God Let 9/11 Happen Because Our Nation Has Turned Evil and that's just a warning of something worse coming, so repent today: Part 1: Written in story narrative so it's easy for people to understand."
...and then the Shemitah book would just be:
"Part 2: More evidence in non-fiction form for those who still aren't believing. You got less than a year now, bro."
Why I think you should read these books
Now, some Christians might think, "well, I just trust in God, I don't worry about dates", etc. That's great. I still think you should read these books ESPECIALLY as an RPF'er. I can honestly say it's almost as if these books were directed at people on this forum.
Here are just a few of the subjects touched on: Going off the gold standard, Bretton Woods, IMF, Israel, NYSE, Lehman Brothers
That's just the economic side. He touches the religious side in ways I've never seen anyone do.
I can honestly say after watching hours of this guys videos and reading his books that he, to me, is the Ron Paul of the evangelical movement. I say that in complete seriousness. In the same way I was fed up with politicians, I also have had serious problems with the evangelicals and Christians in general in this country. It seems there was no one with any real fire or passion or inkling of speaking with the Spirit. This guy to me seems like the real deal. He's amazing to watch. And seeing his effect on the simpleton talk show evangelicals that he goes on humbles me. They literally just seem stricken with paralysis at the power of his words.
I watched a video with one talk show host who had read an early copy of Shemitah book and said the ending made him cry. He practically broke down just recalling it. Well, it was powerful, indeed, if you understand it, I didn't think it was "sad", but when you read really powerful truth, especially if you aren't used to it, it can floor you. Why? Because it makes you believe. And when your spirit actually "believes" and touches that world it's very overwhelming. I actually had a similar experience watching another one of his videos a while back when he was talking about how it was obvious from scripture that Jesus was born in the spring. Just the way he unlocks the truth of the bible so effortlessly is awe inspiring.
Just an example in the first 10 minutes of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePr_5Ju7Ib4
He talks about when the crowds were touching Jesus' garments to heal themselves. He makes the connection with the healing "wings" of the Cherubim on the ark of the covenant (Jesus being the living Ark) and how the Hebrew word for "wings" is also the name for the traditional jewish garment that men would wear around their waist that Jesus most certainly would have had. In Luke 8:44 and elsewhere it talks about people touching that "border" and being healed. AND THEN! he makes the connection of God's commandment that you should not reap the corners of your field because that's a gift for the poor (Leviticus 23:22). And he explains how that healing that happened by touching Jesus' garment border was symbolic of the command to give to the poor. Just absolutely amazing and insightful.
And that isn't like some "gem" I found after watching tons of videos, those kinds of things just flow from this guys mouth like a fire hose. I can't even keep up.
The overall message of Jonathan Cahn and the Liberty Movement
There are numerous connections, to me, between the liberty movement and Cahns books. But the main one is definitely 9/11 and repentance. Ultimately his core message is that 9/11 was a judgement/warning to turn back to God. We simply became more defiant.
When I read his books I couldn't help but be reminded of the moment that Ron Paul set himself apart from all the other candidates in the 2008 campaign by talking about blowback? And why? Because the Ron Paul movement represented the only group of people really who understood that America needed to repent. That we needed to change our ways, that ultimately 9/11 was PREVENTABLE. And I think any RPF members who read these books will see that connection plus many more.
I hope tons of you guys read these books, seriously.
What I'm going to Do
I'm going to spend some considerable time digging into this guy. Just like I did with Ron Paul. For me to say someone is the "Ron Paul" of something isn't a small thing. So I'm going to continue vetting him. Now that I've finished his books....
...oh, reminds me...
Granted, I am kind of obsessive when it comes to scripture, religion, and prophecy but I read both of those books in two days where I slept and went to work. Bought them on Google Play on Wednesday and Friday morning and was finished with both Friday night. I actually read Shemitah book first even though it was the second book because reviewers said it summarized the first book. And it did. And it's non-fiction form which is a little less annoying if you want the message fast. But I wasn't dissappointed at all going back and reading Harbinger afterwards. Harbinger is kind of parable story form but all the facts are REAL FACTS, he just wrote it in a fictional narrative, basically so it's dialog instead of him lecturing you.
Shemitah kind of gives you the "factual anomalies" and a strong outline and Harbinger kind of gives it color and makes it much more personal. I recommend both, but for RPF'ers I would say if you had to pick just one, read Shemitah Mystery.
...anyway, now that I've finished the books, probably just going to explore other writings and videos and post related info to this thread. His ministry is an end-times ministry and his books are just the complete message really so it's all relevant.
......
Anyway, want to get a post out so I'll stop here for now. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Going to watch and add to this thread. Hoping to turn this into a discussion thread about the book, but wondering if anyone here has even read it.
Discussion Seeds if you need a launching point:
1. What do you think of the Shemitah as a commandment? That every 7th year all the land is communal and can't be farmed and that all financial debts are wiped out? Obviously, not very libertarian, but it is biblical law. Tyler Durden would approve.
2. What do you think of the concept that God allowed 9/11 to happen? Kind of makes sense when you think about all the weird circumstances surrounding it. The terrorists "did it" but like David killing goliath with a stone it sort of counts as a couldn't-have-happened-without-God miraclulous circumstantial event.
3. What is your opinion of Jonathan Cahn? Does he inspire you? Do you think he's a fraud?
THREAD RULES
1. Be nice and don't make me edit this section.
2. This thread is intentionally in the religious forum. And the theme in that sense is the theme of Jonathan Cahn's ministry which is the unifying concept of repentance and the call of both the righteous AND non-righteous to repentance and believing on Jesus Christ. I would really appreciate if we could stick to that and get along and if we could minimize the petty boring bickering over church doctrine differences that you are all incorrect about.

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