Will you still support Justin as an Independent?

[PAF]

I believe in states rights in an ideal world but this is a war where the states are locking people up for crossing state lines with a firearm. This is less than an ideal solution but what better way to fight this war and stop the states from trampling on 2nd amendment rights? Do we wait years for the Supreme Court while people sit in jail while our countrymen are disarmed?

The left has thrown out the rule book while we are playing by the rule book. Sure fire way to lose the country to them.

Meantime, during this war, you advocate passing illegal bills to throw out the 2nd Amendment to preserve the 2nd Amendment.

Thought balloon: "This is less than an ideal solution but what better way... " Lessers of evil is still evil. I must remind myself of this to keep the enemy from infiltrating my mind.

 

[kahless]

Meantime, during this war, you advocate passing illegal bills to throw out the 2nd Amendment to preserve the 2nd Amendment.

Thought balloon: "This is less than an ideal solution but what better way... " Lessers of evil is still evil. I must remind myself of this to keep the enemy from infiltrating my mind.

It is not evil to defend yourself from evil, rather than have to remember these slogans in the future while you are being marched off into an interment camp for wrong thinking, with no way to defend yourself or because you are considered old by the PTB you are put into early hospice so the fed can still afford socialized medicine.

 

[susano]

I believe in states rights in an ideal world but this is a war where the states are locking people up for crossing state lines with a firearm. This is less than an ideal solution but what better way to fight this war and stop the states from trampling on 2nd amendment rights? Do we wait years for the Supreme Court while people sit in jail while our countrymen are disarmed?

The left has thrown out the rule book while we are playing by the rule book. Sure fire way to lose the country to them.

While I am very much a states rights supporter, I believe that all states, by being members of the union, must abide by the bill of rights.

 

[DDE]

If you look at 1984 and brave New world as a template for how you want the country to be than by all means don't support Trump. Both of those authors invisioned an America that is post capitalism. I am going to support whatever candidate that rejects socialism and has a chance at winning, right now that happens to be Trump. I didn't put myself in this corner but I will fight to bone to keep the socialists from taking over.

George Orwell was a socialist.

 

[Swordsmyth]

While I am very much a states rights supporter, I believe that all states, by being members of the union, must abide by the bill of rights.

Exactly, if they don't want to then they can leave.

 

[Swordsmyth]

62% support for Amash!

It used to be 100%.

If he lost so much support here just think how much he lost among Republicans.

He didn't gain any from the Demoncrats.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Meantime, during this war, you advocate passing illegal bills to throw out the 2nd Amendment to preserve the 2nd Amendment.

Thought balloon: "This is less than an ideal solution but what better way... " Lessers of evil is still evil. I must remind myself of this to keep the enemy from infiltrating my mind.

Passing bills that mandate that the 2ndA is followed isn't illegal and doesn't throw out the 2ndA.

It's better to make progress towards our goals than than to achieve nothing while our enemies make progress because we can't get everything at once.

 

[PAF]

Passing bills that mandate that the 2ndA is followed isn't illegal and doesn't throw out the 2ndA.

It's better to make progress towards our goals than than to achieve nothing while our enemies make progress because we can't get everything at once.

Oh, yes, I forgot again. That the 2nd A “Law of the Land” must be enforced by allowing it with a bill. This way, the “bill” becomes welcomed and precedence established, that is until the next person comes among and re-writes a bill.

Gee, you are so smart.







For a statist, that is.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Oh, yes, I forgot again. That the 2nd A “Law of the Land” must be enforced by allowing it with a bill. This way, the “bill” becomes welcomed and precedence established, that is until the next person comes among and re-writes a bill.

Gee, you are so smart.







For a statist, that is.

When bills have been passed to violate it then unless you can get a judge to overturn them you must pass bills to remove the violating bills.

But you are so much smarter to let the bills that violate it stand.

 

[PAF]

When bills have been passed to violate it then unless you can get a judge to overturn them you must pass bills to remove the violating bills.

But you are so much smarter to let the bills that violate it stand.

Any law, statute or ordinance which violates the Constitution is null and void.


How about a bill that says: if you attempt, or actually violate, any one of the Bill of Rights, you WILL be prosecuted to the fullest extent, and on your own dime - not the taxpayers.


Nahhhhh. I didn’t think so.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Any law, statute or ordinance which violates the Constitution is null and void.


How about a bill that says: if you attempt, or actually violate, any one of the Bill of Rights, you WILL be prosecuted to the fullest extent, and on your own dime - not the taxpayers.


Nahhhhh. I didn’t think so.

That's good, go ahead and try to get one, just don't complain when others take an incremental approach and actually get things done.

 

[Anti Federalist]

From another thread:

on hold

 

[PAF]

...

Following the link provided in Post #51 (Affordable Care Act):



The following budgetary levels are appropriate for each of fiscal years 2017 through 2026:



(1) FEDERAL REVENUES.—For purposes of the enforcement of this resolution:


(A) The recommended levels of Federal revenues are as follows:



Fiscal year 2017: $2,682,088,000,000.

Fiscal year 2018: $2,787,834,000,000.

Fiscal year 2019: $2,884,637,000,000.

Fiscal year 2020: $3,012,645,000,000.

Fiscal year 2021: $3,131,369,000,000.

Fiscal year 2022: $3,262,718,000,000.

Fiscal year 2023: $3,402,888,000,000.

Fiscal year 2024: $3,556,097,000,000.

Fiscal year 2025: $3,727,756,000,000.

Fiscal year 2026: $3,903,628,000,000.




(2) NEW BUDGET AUTHORITY.—For purposes of the enforcement of this resolution, the appropriate levels of total new budget authority are as follows:



Fiscal year 2017: $3,308,000,000,000.

Fiscal year 2018: $3,350,010,000,000.

Fiscal year 2019: $3,590,479,000,000.

Fiscal year 2020: $3,779,449,000,000.

Fiscal year 2021: $3,947,834,000,000.

Fiscal year 2022: $4,187,893,000,000.

Fiscal year 2023: $4,336,952,000,000.

Fiscal year 2024: $4,473,818,000,000.

Fiscal year 2025: $4,726,484,000,000.

Fiscal year 2026: $4,961,154,000,000.





(3) BUDGET OUTLAYS.—For purposes of the enforcement of this resolution, the appropriate levels of total budget outlays are as follows:



Fiscal year 2017: $3,264,662,000,000.

Fiscal year 2018: $3,329,394,000,000.

Fiscal year 2019: $3,558,237,000,000.

Fiscal year 2020: $3,741,304,000,000.

Fiscal year 2021: $3,916,533,000,000.

Fiscal year 2022: $4,159,803,000,000.

Fiscal year 2023: $4,295,742,000,000.

Fiscal year 2024: $4,419,330,000,000.

Fiscal year 2025: $4,673,813,000,000.

Fiscal year 2026: $4,912,205,000,000.





(4) DEFICITS.—For purposes of the enforcement of this resolution, the amounts of the deficits are as follows:



Fiscal year 2017: $582,574,000,000.

Fiscal year 2018: $541,560,000,000.

Fiscal year 2019: $673,600,000,000.

Fiscal year 2020: $728,659,000,000.

Fiscal year 2021: $785,164,000,000.

Fiscal year 2022: $897,085,000,000.

Fiscal year 2023: $892,854,000,000.

Fiscal year 2024: $863,233,000,000.

Fiscal year 2025: $946,057,000,000.

Fiscal year 2026: $1,008,577,000,000.





(5) PUBLIC DEBT.—Pursuant to section 301(a)(5) of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 (2 U.S.C. 632(a)(5)), the appropriate levels of the public debt are as follows:



Fiscal year 2017: $20,034,788,000,000.

Fiscal year 2018: $20,784,183,000,000.

Fiscal year 2019: $21,625,729,000,000.

Fiscal year 2020: $22,504,763,000,000.

Fiscal year 2021: $23,440,271,000,000.

Fiscal year 2022: $24,509,421,000,000.

Fiscal year 2023: $25,605,527,000,000.

Fiscal year 2024: $26,701,273,000,000.

Fiscal year 2025: $27,869,175,000,000.

Fiscal year 2026: $29,126,158,000,000.





(6) DEBT HELD BY THE PUBLIC.—The appropriate levels of debt held by the public are as follows:



Fiscal year 2017: $14,593,316,000,000.

Fiscal year 2018: $15,198,740,000,000.

Fiscal year 2019: $15,955,144,000,000.

Fiscal year 2020: $16,791,740,000,000.

Fiscal year 2021: $17,713,599,000,000.

Fiscal year 2022: $18,787,230,000,000.

Fiscal year 2023: $19,901,290,000,000.

Fiscal year 2024: $21,033,163,000,000.

Fiscal year 2025: $22,301,661,000,000.

Fiscal year 2026: $23,691,844,000,000.

 

[pcosmar]

George Orwell was a socialist.

Perhaps.. Or perhaps just steeped in it by his surroundings.

he was nonetheless prophetic.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

He needs to become bit less purist and less extreme in his opposition to GOP-Adelson/Globalist wing, then will consider.


Quote:
He appears very anti Deep-Zionism.

He is not perfect and purist... but still appears far more principled than globalist GOP-Adelson which likes of Bannon saw as GOP-Democrats. With neocons-funded pro-war democrats mascrading as 'conservatives' pushing debt financed big gummit spending and globalist wars agenda, it is puzzling why rest of so called Republicans and Conservatives are not speaking up?
He may have been bit too purist this week but if his principles guided him to leave party of 'small minded' neocons, that's his prerogative. Freedom can be messy sometimes.

Pragmatically, GOP-MAGA wing looks to be finished after 2020 with high risk of its funding drying up, does GOP have alternate leadership ready or independents like Amash/new faces will rise up to take charge of what can be salvaged of left-wing neocons ravaged GOP?

 

[Champ]

Related conspiracy theory of the day:

The Libertarian Party has to find a candidate and they need to find someone fast after relatively high profile failures of Gary Johnson in back to back election cycles. Right now, Adam Kokesh has as good of a shot as anyone in the field at winning, and he is running on elimination of the federal government altogether. This of course, will not work for Libertarian delegates and dignitaries, nor will it look good for wanting to bring more people into the party after 2016's "naked man" incident.

So they need someone and they need someone fast, and Amash seems to be taking all of the steps to ease into that role. If he runs for the nomination, he will obviously blow most everyone away, including Kokesh.

I highly doubt he will run for that congressional seat again. He knew this the second he came out against Trump that that seat is history. He was calculated in doing this, he was not being as careless as some people are making it seem. What does fit is joining the Libertarian party and seeking the nomination, making some noise as an I or L in a Senate run, or quitting altogether which is what he had already hinted at all along.

It's probably all rubbish, but I definitely think he is up to something, we'll know soon.

 

[UWDude]

Related conspiracy theory of the day:

The Libertarian Party has to find a candidate and they need to find someone fast after relatively high profile failures of Gary Johnson in back to back election cycles. Right now, Adam Kokesh has as good of a shot as anyone in the field at winning, and he is running on elimination of the federal government altogether. This of course, will not work for Libertarian delegates and dignitaries, nor will it look good for wanting to bring more people into the party after 2016's "naked man" incident.

So they need someone and they need someone fast, and Amash seems to be taking all of the steps to ease into that role. If he runs for the nomination, he will obviously blow most everyone away, including Kokesh.

I highly doubt he will run for that congressional seat again. He knew this the second he came out against Trump that that seat is history. He was calculated in doing this, he was not being as careless as some people are making it seem. What does fit is joining the Libertarian party and seeking the nomination, making some noise as an I or L in a Senate run, or quitting altogether which is what he had already hinted at all along.

It's probably all rubbish, but I definitely think he is up to something, we'll know soon.

He cant win his seat, but trust me guyz, he is going to be in the presidential race to win it as your Libertarian Candidate for President!
He'll end that two-party system, in one great purple party.
Forgot to tell your monkeys to speak no evil, Justin.

 

[jon4liberty]

Shame were losing one of the better records in the house. TDS, his company and China, and trying to save face due to knowledge of knowing he'll probably lose his primary.

 

[familydog]

While I am very much a states rights supporter, I believe that all states, by being members of the union, must abide by the bill of rights.

That is not the original understanding of what the union is and how it was to operate. This concept was explicitly rejected at the Philadelphia convention and by the Supreme Court prior to the War of Southern Independence. The Bill of Rights was a check on the powers of the general government. The Constitution would have never been ratified had it been sold like you are suggesting.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That is not the original understanding of what the union is and how it was to operate. This concept was explicitly rejected at the Philadelphia convention and by the Supreme Court prior to the War of Southern Independence. The Bill of Rights was a check on the powers of the general government. The Constitution would have never been ratified had it been sold like you are suggesting.

That's how it should operate and it has been amended to operate that way.

Why would you want to allow states to violate your fundamental GOD given rights?