Will you still support Justin as an Independent?

[RonZeplin]

Trump vs Hilary was the least important election in history, but Trump vs Biden might be even less important.

Stay tuned for further developments.

 

[UWDude]

Well, I like the fact that we have a President who stands up against the military industrial complex for a change.

Let's say Ron Paul is a 10 on foreign policy. Trump is still an 8. He still wants to bring our troops home, he thinks all the wars we are in were a waste of money. The difference is that Ron Paul wants to pull the troops out immediately whereas Trump wants to do it more strategically, and defeat ISIS first - we created ISIS, so it isn't totally unfair to ask us to get rid of that annoyance over there.

We had 16,000 troops in Afghanistan when Trump took office, now we are down to 9,000 and Trump is not done yet. He has also decreased our military presence in Syria. He has more work to do to bring more troops home, and that is all in his plans.

Hillary is a 1 or a 2 on foreign policy. The military industrial complex is a 1 on foreign policy on a scale of 10. I'll take an 8 over a 1 or 2 any day of the week.

Then we got a really good tax break, we got significant decreases in regulations and bureaucracy. With Hillary we would have seen tax increases and more government employees and more bureaucracy.

Then we have the fact that every single day, Trump eats the mainstream media for lunch - the propaganda arm is really the biggest enemy of the people, and Trump is helping destroy them.

If your idea of what is "better" than Hillary is Ron Paul, and nothing but Ron Paul, then you have a very skewed view on what preferences are and how life works.

Do I think Mitt Romney would be better than Hillary? No. How about McCain? $#@! no. John Kerry? Bush? $#@! to the no.. I know what you are getting at with the whole "they are all the same" thing.. and 99% of politicians are the same.

Trump is a million times better than Hillary, though. Sorry you can't see that.

I'd give Trump a 4 on foreign policy. Maybe even 3.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'd give Trump a 4 on foreign policy. Maybe even 3.

I'd say 5.

 

[UWDude]

I'd say 5.

That's because you did not see Venezuela in the same light I do.
I give him 1 for no new wars, and 1 for saying there is a military industrial complex, and 1 for saying he did not want to kill Iranian people.
It's been a while since a president mentioned the MIC. And I don't think I have ever heard a president mention the toll of war dead on the other side. It's always about "American lives".

 

[Swordsmyth]

That's because you did not see Venezuela in the same light I do.
I give him 1 for no new wars, and 1 for saying there is a military industrial complex, and 1 for saying he did not want to kill Iranian people.
It's been a while since a president mentioned the MIC. And I don't think I have ever heard a president mention the toll of war dead on the other side. It's always about "American lives".

It's because I am counting his Syrian withdrawal, his negotiations to withdraw from Afghanistan and and his fight back in the trade wars among many other things you aren't.

 

[Warlord]

62% support for Amash!

 

[Anti Globalist]

Well, I like the fact that we have a President who stands up against the military industrial complex for a change.

Let's say Ron Paul is a 10 on foreign policy. Trump is still an 8. He still wants to bring our troops home, he thinks all the wars we are in were a waste of money. The difference is that Ron Paul wants to pull the troops out immediately whereas Trump wants to do it more strategically, and defeat ISIS first - we created ISIS, so it isn't totally unfair to ask us to get rid of that annoyance over there.

We had 16,000 troops in Afghanistan when Trump took office, now we are down to 9,000 and Trump is not done yet. He has also decreased our military presence in Syria. He has more work to do to bring more troops home, and that is all in his plans.

Hillary is a 1 or a 2 on foreign policy. The military industrial complex is a 1 on foreign policy on a scale of 10. I'll take an 8 over a 1 or 2 any day of the week.

Then we got a really good tax break, we got significant decreases in regulations and bureaucracy. With Hillary we would have seen tax increases and more government employees and more bureaucracy.

Then we have the fact that every single day, Trump eats the mainstream media for lunch - the propaganda arm is really the biggest enemy of the people, and Trump is helping destroy them.

If your idea of what is "better" than Hillary is Ron Paul, and nothing but Ron Paul, then you have a very skewed view on what preferences are and how life works.

Do I think Mitt Romney would be better than Hillary? No. How about McCain? $#@! no. John Kerry? Bush? $#@! to the no.. I know what you are getting at with the whole "they are all the same" thing.. and 99% of politicians are the same.

Trump is a million times better than Hillary, though. Sorry you can't see that.

So basically when its all said and done, Trump will have a 10 in foreign policy by the time his presidency is done.

 

[kahless]

62% support for Amash!

62% do not understand that despite Amash's record on everything else, his immigration policies contribute to a future of a demographic that will make it impossible to elect limited government candidates. As smart as he is I suspect he understands this and if that is the case he is a sham to coral the ignorant to their own demise.

What also does it say about those that put the interests of foreign citizens over our own?

 

[TheCount]

62% do not understand that despite Amash's record on everything else, his immigration policies contribute to a future of a demographic that will make it impossible to elect limited government candidates.

Yes, yes, we know your priorities.

 

[kahless]

Yes, yes, we know your priorities.

As well as your priority to grow government and a future of Democratic party victories.

 

[kahless]

62% do not understand that despite Amash's record on everything else, his immigration policies contribute to a future of a demographic that will make it impossible to elect limited government candidates. As smart as he is I suspect he understands this and if that is the case he is a sham to coral the ignorant to their own demise.

What also does it say about those that put the interests of foreign citizens over our own?

Correction, not "everything" else. There are other policies where Amash let libertarians down. For example:

Making concealed-carry firearm permits valid across state lines.
Amash Voted "No".
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll663.xml

H.J.Res.2 - Proposing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
Amash - Voted "No"
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/2
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll138.xml

Overturning President Trump’s emergency declaration for border wall funding (245-182)
Feb. 26, 2019
Amash - Voted Yes
H.J.Res.46 - Relating to a national emergency declared by the President on February 15, 2019.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-resolution/46
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll094.xml

Overriding President Trump’s veto of a bill that overturned his emergency declaration for border wall funding (248-181)
March 26
Amash - Voted Yes
H.J.Res.46 - Relating to a national emergency declared by the President on February 15, 2019.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-resolution/46
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll127.xml

Constitutional balanced budget amendment (233-184)
April 12, 2018
Amash - Voted No
H.J.Res.2 - Proposing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/2
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll138.xml

Penalizing states and localities that have “sanctuary” laws on immigration (228-195)
June 29, 2017
Amash - Voted No

H.R.3003 - No Sanctuary for Criminals Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3003
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll342.xml

Budget resolution to repeal the Affordable Care Act (227-198)
Jan. 13, 2017
Amash - Voted No
S.Con.Res.3 - A concurrent resolution setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2017 and setting forth the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2018 through 2026.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-concurrent-resolution/3
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll058.xml

Repeal of an FCC rule barring internet providers from sharing data on customers’ activities (215-205)
March 28, 2017
Amash - Voted No
S.J.Res.34 - A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission relating to "Protecting the Privacy of Customers of Broadband and Other Telecommunications Services".
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/34
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll202.xml

 

[Anti Federalist]

Budget resolution to repeal the Affordable Care Act (227-198)
Jan. 13, 2017
Amash - Voted No
S.Con.Res.3 - A concurrent resolution setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2017 and setting forth the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2018 through 2026.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...t-resolution/3
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll058.xml

That would be enough for me to dismiss him...when the chance to repeal one of the worst acts ever passed, he folded.

Unless this is some congressional bullshit where no means yes

 

[PAF]

Correction, not "everything" else. There are other policies where Amash let libertarians down. For example:

Making concealed-carry firearm permits valid across state lines.
Amash Voted "No".
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll663.xml

H.J.Res.2 - Proposing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
Amash - Voted "No"
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/2
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll138.xml


H.J.Res.46 - Relating to a national emergency declared by the President on February 15, 2019.Overturning President Trump’s emergency declaration for border wall funding (245-182)
Feb. 26, 2019
Amash - Voted Yes
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-resolution/46
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll094.xml

Overriding President Trump’s veto of a bill that overturned his emergency declaration for border wall funding (248-181)
March 26
Amash - Voted Yes
H.J.Res.46 - Relating to a national emergency declared by the President on February 15, 2019.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-resolution/46
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll127.xml

Constitutional balanced budget amendment (233-184)
April 12, 2018
Amash - Voted No
H.J.Res.2 - Proposing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/2
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll138.xml

Penalizing states and localities that have “sanctuary” laws on immigration (228-195)
June 29, 2017
Amash - Voted No

H.R.3003 - No Sanctuary for Criminals Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3003
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll342.xml

Budget resolution to repeal the Affordable Care Act (227-198)
Jan. 13, 2017
Amash - Voted No
S.Con.Res.3 - A concurrent resolution setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2017 and setting forth the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2018 through 2026.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-concurrent-resolution/3
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll058.xml

Repeal of an FCC rule barring internet providers from sharing data on customers’ activities (215-205)
March 28, 2017
Amash - Voted No
S.J.Res.34 - A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission relating to "Protecting the Privacy of Customers of Broadband and Other Telecommunications Services".
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/34
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll202.xml

Bringing [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] into the loop.


I will just touch on a few of these for starters:


1.)

Making concealed-carry firearm permits valid across state lines.

The 2nd Amendment is the only permit you need. I am not aware of the 2nd Amendment talking about any other permits. Unless people feel that "bills" should supersede the Bill of Rights.


2.)

H.J.Res.2 - Proposing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
Amash - Voted "No"

Creating the all-powerful federal government by Amendment

Amendments supersede all language to the contrary in the existing Constitution. For example, the 13th Amendment superseded provisions within Article I, Section 2, clause 3 & Article IV, Section 2, clause 3 which were inconsistent with the 13th Amendment.

So a BBA, which would authorize Congress to spend money on whatever they or the President decide to put into the budget, would supersede the list of enumerated powers in our Constitution.

.
.
.
Conclusion

A BBA would have the opposite effect of what you have been told. Instead of limiting the federal government, it legalizes spending which is now unconstitutional as outside the scope of the enumerated powers; transforms the federal government into one which has power over whatever they decide to spend money on; and does nothing to reduce federal spending.


Continue:

https://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/balanced-budget-amendment/

3.)

Overturning President Trump’s emergency declaration for border wall funding (245-182)
Feb. 26, 2019
Amash - Voted Yes


Page 188
8 (h) REFUGEE ASSISTANCE IN NORTH AFRICA.-Not
9 later than 45 days after enactment of this Act, the Secretary
10 of State, after consultation with the United Nations
11 High Commissioner for Refugees and the Executive Direc-
12 tor of the World Food Programme, shall submit a report
13 to the Committees on Appropriations describing steps
14 taken to strengthen monitoring of the delivery of humani-
15 tarian assistance provided for refugees in North Africa,
16 including any steps taken to ensure that all vulnerable ref-
17 ugees are receiving such assistance.

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12 (k) TRANSFER OF FUNDS.-Of the funds appro-
13 priated by this Act under the heading "Economic Support
14 Fund", $25,000,000 shall be transferred to, and merged
15 with, funds appropriated under the heading "International
16 Organizations and Programs", of which $23,000,000 shall
17 be for a contribution to support the United Nations resi-
18 dent coordinator system and $2,000,000 shall be for a
19 contribution to the Montreal Protocol Multilateral Fund.

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6 UNITED NATIONS POPULATION FUND
7 SEC. 7072. (a) CONTRIBUTION.-Of the funds made
8 available under the heading "International Organizations
9 and Programs" in this Act for fiscal year 2019,
10 $32,500,000 shall be made available for the United Na-
11 tions Population Fund (UNFP A).
12 (b) AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS.-Funds appropriated
13 by this Act for UNFPA, that are not made available for
14 UNFP A because of the operation of any provision of law,
15 shall be transferred to the "Global Health Programs" ac-
16 count and shall be made available for family planning, ma-
17 ternal, and reproductive health activities, subject to the
18 regular notification procedures of the Committees on Ap-
19 propriations.

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek...T-116hrpt9.pdf

 

[Anti Federalist]

Bringing [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] into the loop.


I will just touch on a few of these for starters:


1.)

Making concealed-carry firearm permits valid across state lines.

The 2nd Amendment is the only permit you need. I am not aware of the 2nd Amendment talking about any other permits. Unless people feel that "bills" should supersede the Bill of Rights

Yes, I am aware of the issues with federally mandated permits, especially in CCC states like NH.

I have no issue with his no vote on this. As nice as it would be to stick it states like NJ and NY, the downsides would be worth it.

I am genuinely surprised at his no vote on defunding ACA.

 

[UWDude]

Yes, I am aware of the issues with federally mandated permits, especially in CCC states like NH.

I have no issue with his no vote on this. As nice as it would be to stick it states like NJ and NY, the downsides would be worth it.

I am genuinely surprised at his no vote on defunding ACA.

To be fair, he did vote FOR military tranny surgeries and hormone therapy.

 

[PAF]

Yes, I am aware of the issues with federally mandated permits, especially in CCC states like NH.

I have no issue with his no vote on this. As nice as it would be to stick it states like NJ and NY, the downsides would be worth it.

I am genuinely surprised at his no vote on defunding ACA.

I remember reading it at the time and will have to reread again it to make certain so that I am not in error. But I recall it was during that time when republicans were talking about "repeal and replace", which did nothing under the covers, and was pathetic.


Bills these days are hundreds, thousands of pages which makes interpreting the "legal jargon" a challenge. One of the things that I advocate are returning the bills to one single issue so that we know exactly what is in them.

 

[PAF]

Double post.

 

[susano]

Even if Amash believes that he made an obvious strategic mistake that cost him his political career. What possible good did that do? Answer, none and his seat could potentially end up in the wrong hands.

THIS and as someone who lives in his district I'm really disappointed to lose someone with such a (most of the time) good voting record. I've got to get cracking and get familiar with those running in the primary and hope that one, at least, is a true conservative. Some are just never Trumpers. Amash's open borders stance and siding with serial lairs like Andrew Weissman is unforgivable, for me. I would have to hold my nose to vote for him, again, and it would have been purely to stop a Democrap from getting in there. Sad ending.

 

[susano]

I remember reading it at the time and will have to reread again it to make certain so that I am not in error. But I recall it was during that time when republicans were talking about "repeal and replace", which did nothing under the covers, and was pathetic.


Bills these days are hundreds, thousands of pages which makes interpreting the "legal jargon" a challenge. One of the things that I advocate are returning the bills to one single issue so that we know exactly what is in them.

Years ago, I wrote an email to Justin, Rand and someone else (can't recall now, asking someone to please introduce a "truth in legislation act", requiring legislation to be wholly written by the legislator introducing the bill; limiting the scope to one issue; limiting number of pages to ten; requiring common language and no legalese and a few other things I can't remember. Never heard back from anyone.

 

[kahless]

1.)

Making concealed-carry firearm permits valid across state lines.

The 2nd Amendment is the only permit you need. I am not aware of the 2nd Amendment talking about any other permits. Unless people feel that "bills" should supersede the Bill of Rights.

I believe in states rights in an ideal world but this is a war where the states are locking people up for crossing state lines with a firearm. This is less than an ideal solution but what better way to fight this war and stop the states from trampling on 2nd amendment rights? Do we wait years for the Supreme Court while people sit in jail while our countrymen are disarmed?

The left has thrown out the rule book while we are playing by the rule book. Sure fire way to lose the country to them.