Will We Have A Chance Again in 2012?

[Steve_New_Jersey]

No offence to the Sabrin camp but.. He is great and all but he is no Ron Paul. He has to many skeletons on the closet. Unless he comes out and burries them publicly he would get slaughtered by the media if he went for president. I have to be honest I still see Sabrin as someone jumping on the RP revolution to get into politics.

 

[Luft97]

No offence to the Sabrin camp but.. He is great and all but he is no Ron Paul. He has to many skeletons on the closet. Unless he comes out and burries them publicly he would get slaughtered by the media if he went for president. I have to be honest I still see Sabrin as someone jumping on the RP revolution to get into politics.

That is annother problem, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head that is as good of a man as RP. Maybe G Edward Griffin. But would he run?

 

[beachmaster]

If 100,000 donate $20 every month from now until January 2011, there would be $66,000,000, then we can donate a lot more. Hopefully we'd have raised 200M, that is enough to kick ass in any election. We could have two Superbowl commercials.

The way things are looking, $200M in 2011 will be worth about as much as $20M of today's money. If you are going to save money for a future campaign, your savings better damn well be in the form of gold and silver!

 

[beachmaster]

That is annother problem, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head that is as good of a man as RP. Maybe G Edward Griffin. But would he run?

A few others come to mind, like Napolitano (who sounds real good, but then again, he worked for FOX), and Bob Barr.

Whoever it would be better step to the plate soon as an indy or there may be no more chances for us down the road in 2011/12. We could very well be merged, purged and assimilated well before then.

 

[nate895]

A few others come to mind, like Napolitano (who sounds real good, but then again, he worked for FOX), and Bob Barr.

Whoever it would be better step to the plate soon as an indy or there may be no more chances for us down the road in 2011/12. We could very well be merged, purged and assimilated well before then.

That is why we start the next Presidential campaign as soon as this one is over. We need a leader in order to keep us together. I like Napolitano, and he fights against Fox's agenda almost every step of the way on the programs he is on, so much so he isn't brought in much anymore.

 

[abe447]

First of all, the people voting saying that America will be a police state are very naive and are severely overreacting. Secondly, we will have a chance in 2012 but only if we get rid of the dead weight. We can't have truthers and white supremacists bringing us down. We also can't get hostile with people and shout in other supporters faces. It doesn't work and it just turns people off. It's a shame that these people are so selfish that they don't realize how much harm they're doing to the movement.

Third, someone with a little bit more moderate views is needed. And preferably someone who can speak and debate better than Ron Paul. You're not going to win a national election with a platform of abolishing the federal reserve, the irs, social security, medicare, repealing the civil rights act, the voting rights act, and withdrawaling our troops from all over the world. Realistic solutions are needed and hopefully the 2012 candidate has them.

 

[nate895]

First of all, the people voting saying that America will be a police state are very naive and are severely overreacting. Secondly, we will have a chance in 2012 but only if we get rid of the dead weight. We can't have truthers and white supremacists bringing us down. We also can't get hostile with people and shout in other supporters faces. It doesn't work and it just turns people off. It's a shame that these people are so selfish that they don't realize how much harm they're doing to the movement.

Third, someone with a little bit more moderate views is needed. And preferably someone who can speak and debate better than Ron Paul. You're not going to win a national election with a platform of abolishing the federal reserve, the irs, social security, medicare, repealing the civil rights act, the voting rights act, and withdrawaling our troops from all over the world. Realistic solutions are needed and hopefully the 2012 candidate has them.

Those are the reasons I am supporting Ron Paul, I will not support anyone who isn't behind my position on many of those issues.

 

[abe447]

Those are the reasons I am supporting Ron Paul, I will not support anyone who isn't behind my position on many of those issues.

Nate, the minute you say "abolish social security" you've lost one of the biggest voting blocks in the whole country! Bringing home our troops from all over the world is easily spun as isolationism and we found that out. Times have changed since 1913 and the U.S. has taken a greater role around the world, some for better and some for worse. Ron Paul's solutions for a lot of things was just to do the opposite of what we've been doing the past 70-80 years where America has thrived. Someone with libertarian leanings, but with more realistic views of the world like Gary Johnson, former governor of New Mexico, is desperately needed if we are to have a chance in 2012.

 

[nate895]

Nate, the minute you say "abolish social security" you've lost one of the biggest voting blocks in the whole country! Bringing home our troops from all over the world is easily spun as isolationism and we found that out. Times have changed since 1913 and the U.S. has taken a greater role around the world, some for better and some for worse. Ron Paul's solutions for a lot of things was just to do the opposite of what we've been doing the past 70-80 years where America has thrived. Someone with libertarian leanings, but with more realistic views of the world like Gary Johnson, former governor of New Mexico is desperately needed.

What you don't understand is that the momentum is on our side, mainly because young people are growing more and more conservative as time goes on. If we can merely get the borders cosed and immigration slowed, this country could well be ours from top to bottom, and we can take it soon if we merely introduce our views slowly. Like this, I liked Ron Paul enough before I knew his war stance, I then didn't like him, but I slowly grew to realize he was right on that issue. Almost everyone in America agrees with him on a major issue, and if we can pound that issue, they may come to accept the other ones, as did I.

 

[pcosmar]

Times have changed since 1913 and the U.S. has taken a greater role around the world,

 

[beachmaster]

First of all, the people voting saying that America will be a police state are very naive and are severely overreacting.

Well if they say that, they are naive. We ARE in a police state. Didn't you notice?

Secondly, we will have a chance in 2012 but only if we get rid of the dead weight. We can't have truthers and white supremacists bringing us down.

It's socialist/collectivists and their lackeys that want to bring us down. I wouldn't worry so much about the "truthers" and the "white supremacists" personally. False boogie-men. Oh but I'm sure sooner or later we'll have a "domestic terrorist" event that will turn all the dumbed down flocks against the whole liberty movement before too long. The "perpetraitors" will no doubt be carrying Ron Paul literature along with Stormfront literature and the dragnet will be cast. Say bye bye freedom if that happens.

We also can't get hostile with people and shout in other supporters faces. It doesn't work and it just turns people off. It's a shame that these people are so selfish that they don't realize how much harm they're doing to the movement.

Agree.

Third, someone with a little bit more moderate views is needed.

"Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue". - Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater at the Republican convention, 1964

And preferably someone who can speak and debate better than Ron Paul.

Yes to that. He did ok in the debates, but we need a polished communicator to really bring in the votes. And I hate polished.

You're not going to win a national election with a platform of abolishing the federal reserve, the irs, social security, medicare, repealing the civil rights act, the voting rights act, and withdrawaling our troops from all over the world. Realistic solutions are needed and hopefully the 2012 candidate has them.

If you take all of that away, you don't need Ron Paul. John McCain should do just fine. But he could have done a better job of explaining the issues and cover a lot more of the solutions than he did. Ron Paul's 2008 message with Barry Goldwater's 1964 charisma would have won the nomination hands down, the media be damned.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

we will have a chance in 2012 but only if we get rid of the dead weight. We can't have truthers and white supremacists bringing us down. We also can't get hostile with people and shout in other supporters faces. It doesn't work and it just turns people off. It's a shame that these people are so selfish that they don't realize how much harm they're doing to the movement.

It's the anti-9/11 truth bashers who are the dead weight, who have unproductively divided the movement base for months with their constant put downs and false associations of them with supremacists, as above. The shouting (at least We Are Change style) is not about 'working' to gain votes, but 'working' in actually impacting the political and media figures who finally get confronted. The movement is about getting back to constitutional rights, freedoms and procedures, and so transcends particular candidacies, or even elections. This is a Revolution, we're going to have to offend somebody!

 

[Luft97]

First of all, the people voting saying that America will be a police state are very naive and are severely overreacting. Secondly, we will have a chance in 2012 but only if we get rid of the dead weight. We can't have truthers and white supremacists bringing us down. We also can't get hostile with people and shout in other supporters faces. It doesn't work and it just turns people off. It's a shame that these people are so selfish that they don't realize how much harm they're doing to the movement.

I would not go so far as to call anyone in the movement "dead weight". I will agree somewhat that the media harped on the fact that there were some/alot 9/11 truth supporters and White Nationalist supporters. I may not agree with their viewpoints but if they are Ron Paul supporters as long as they are not hurting anyone and are freedom loving individuals I have no problems with them personaly. What I do have a problem with is preaching their doctrines using Ron's name or associating their causes with Ron.

 

[leglock]

Police state?
MARTIAL law?


Lolololololololol

 

[ValidusCustodiae]

We're going to be much better able to answer this question when we are closer to 2012. Human consciousness is accelerating at an exponential rate.

 

[Fields]

blah.

 

[Conza88]

This is FOR THE F--KING LOSS.

We're taking it THIS TIME!, asshole.

This defeatist bullshit is lame & unpatriotic.

Did the Sons of Liberty, go - oh well, "next time aye!"

STFU OR GET THE F--K OUT OF THE WAY.

We're taking over the GOP.

 

[Luft97]

We're taking it THIS TIME!, asshole.

This defeatist bullshit is lame & unpatriotic.

Did the Sons of Liberty, go - oh well, "next time aye!"

STFU OR GET THE F--K OUT OF THE WAY.

We're taking over the GOP.

Wow, that's great... Read the full post, I said IF he does not win. I am glad you have alot of enthusiasm. Sure there is a chance of having all the delegates at the national convention vote for Ron. Sure McCain could die or even be abducted by aliens. But that would fall under the miracle catagory I spoke of before.

 

[jointhefightforfreedom]

Will We Have A Chance Again in 2012?

WE CAN WIN NOW 2008 !!!!!!!!!
IT"S CALLED DELEGATES!!!!

 

[Signzit]

My point was, and I know many feel the same way, we can win THIS TIME, but we need something drastic to happen to pull all Delegates over to Dr. Paul like the dollar CRASHING.

Oh, the US Dollar is going to crash and in a very big way, very soon. This will be the catalyst, for the Ron Paul Delegate sweep but I am afraid of Bush and his COMING police state. Bush knows, the political partys both know and wall street knows a great depression/crash like 1929 is not far off.

You people are talking 2012! By then there will be rumors about different FEMA Camps allowing a vote for hot showers on either Friday or Sunday but not both!

Move out cities, stop using your bank, and buy small denominations of gold and silver as no one will have change for a 2,000 ounce gold piece.

Remember there is a huge amount of people that are looking to government for answers NOW, What do you think they will be like after this fiscal crash? They will look to HLS/FEMA for help while pointing the finger at you saying you're a terrorist cuz you grow your own food and load you're own shots! You "pie in the sky people need to wake the fuck up! Praying and hope will not help.