Will We Have A Chance Again in 2012?

[beachmaster]

If that happens, lets meet in Montana, or in Canada so we can have the protection of a "border."

Border? lol

 

[nate895]

Border? lol

That is why it is quotations, just flee to the nearest mountain range with your meetup and anyone else who is willing if the US and Canada combine. BTW, I expect help from a large portion of conservatives who support the war if this happens (namely people who listen to the Savage Nation).

 

[Signzit]

If that happens, lets meet in Montana, or in Canada so we can have the protection of a "border."

Ha! that's so funny! Come on Kids, "let's try and keep up"

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North American Army created without OK by Congress
U.S., Canada military ink deal to fight domestic emergencies
Posted: February 24, 2008
1:45 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

In a ceremony that received virtually no attention in the American media, the United States and Canada signed a military agreement Feb. 14 allowing the armed forces from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a domestic civil emergency, even one that does not involve a cross-border crisis.

The agreement, defined as a Civil Assistance Plan, was not submitted to Congress for approval, nor did Congress pass any law or treaty specifically authorizing this military agreement to combine the operations of the armed forces of the United States and Canada in the event of a wide range of domestic civil disturbances ranging from violent storms, to health epidemics, to civil riots or terrorist attacks.

In Canada, the agreement paving the way for the militaries of the U.S. and Canada to cross each other's borders to fight domestic emergencies was not announced either by the Harper government or the Canadian military, prompting sharp protest.

"It's kind of a trend when it comes to issues of Canada-U.S. relations and contentious issues like military integration," Stuart Trew, a researcher with the Council of Canadians told the Canwest News Service. "We see that this government is reluctant to disclose information to Canadians that is readily available on American and Mexican websites."

The military Civil Assistance Plan can be seen as a further incremental step being taken toward creating a North American armed forces available to be deployed in domestic North American emergency situations.

The agreement was signed at U.S. Army North headquarters, Fort Sam Houston, Texas, by U.S. Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, commander of NORAD and U.S. Northern Command, or USNORTHCOM, and by Canadian Air Force Lt. Gen. Marc Dumais, commander of Canada Command.

"This document is a unique, bilateral military plan to align our respective national military plans to respond quickly to the other nation's requests for military support of civil authorities," Renuart said in a statement published on the USNORTHCOM website.

"In discussing the new bilateral Civil Assistance Plan established by USNORTHCOM and Canada Command, Renuart stressed, "Unity of effort during bilateral support for civil support operations such as floods, forest fires, hurricanes, earthquakes and effects of a terrorist attack, in order to save lives, prevent human suffering an mitigate damage to property, is of the highest importance, and we need to be able to have forces that are flexible and adaptive to support rapid decision-making in a collaborative environment."

Lt. Gen. Dumais seconded Renuart's sentiments, stating, "The signing of this plan is an important symbol of the already strong working relationship between Canada Command and U.S. Northern Command."

"Our commands were created by our respective governments to respond to the defense and security challenges of the twenty-first century," he stressed, "and we both realize that these and other challenges are best met through cooperation between friends."

The statement on the USNORTHCOM website emphasized the plan recognizes the role of each nation's lead federal agency for emergency preparedness, which in the United States is the Department of Homeland Security and in Canada is Public Safety Canada.

The statement then noted the newly signed plan was designed to facilitate the military-to-military support of civil authorities once government authorities have agreed on an appropriate response.

As WND has previously reported, U.S. Northern Command was established on Oct. 1, 2002, as a military command tasked with anticipating and conducting homeland defense and civil support operations where U.S. armed forces are used in domestic emergencies.

Similarly, Canada Command was established on Feb. 1, 2006, to focus on domestic operations and offer a single point of contact for all domestic and continental defense and securities partners.

In Nov. 2007, WND published a six-part exclusive series, detailing WND's on-site presence during the NORAD-USNORTHCOM Vigilant Shield 2008, an exercise which involved Canada Command as a participant.

In an exclusive interview with WND during Vigilant Shield 2008, Gen. Renuart affirmed USNORTHCOM would deploy U.S. troops on U.S. soil should the president declare a domestic emergency in which the Department of Defense ordered USNORTHCOM involvement.

In May 2007, WND reported President Bush, on his own authority, signed National Security Presidential Directive 51, also known as Homeland Security Presidential Directive 20, authorizing the president to declare a national emergency and take over all functions of federal, state, local, territorial and tribal governments, without necessarily obtaining the approval of Congress to do so.

 

[beachmaster]

That is why it is quotations, just flee to the nearest mountain range with your meetup and anyone else who is willing if the US and Canada combine. BTW, I expect help from a large portion of conservatives who support the war if this happens (namely people who listen to the Savage Nation).

I think Montana would be a good place for that. Damn shame it's so far from most of us (and so damn cold in the winter!). But just between you and me, I've already considered making the move there. Not exactly feasible for me at the time though.

I don't know about the war supporters though. They are all in for the "war on terror", and of course the MSM will paint resisters as terrorists as dangerous as Al Qaida... and they'll most likely stage another OKC bombing if they have to, just to prove the point. Don't count on Savage and his listeners for the most part. Savage is just "controlled opposition", like Lou Dobbs.

Ain't life grand?

 

[beachmaster]

Ha! that's so funny! Come on Kids, "let's try and keep up"

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North American Army created without OK by Congress
U.S., Canada military ink deal to fight domestic emergencies

Just another reason it would be nice to end the wars overseas so our troops would be home. I think a good portion of them wouldn't stand for this shit and would blow away any Canadian who dare cross our border for US "domestic emergencies" regardless of what the commander in chief signs or commands. There I go dreaming and wishfully thinking again!

 

[RSLudlum]

We have 4 years to get people in other offices. If we keep it up there will be a good chance for a candidate like Ron Paul for office, if Dr. Paul isn't up for it then the first that comes to mind is Governor Mark Sanford, which is a good llibertarian leaning conservative Republican. He's constantly fighting our state legislature esp. over fiscal concerns and he's brought alot of transparency into our state government's operations. He always gets right to the point and doesn't dance around issues at hand.

But remember it's not over yet, and it is entirely up to us to bring the change....hopefully we'll have more than change in our pocket by that time!

 

[nate895]

I think Montana would be a good place for that. Damn shame it's so far from most of us (and so damn cold in the winter!). But just between you and me, I've already considered making the move there. Not exactly feasible for me at the time though.

I don't know about the war supporters though. They are all in for the "war on terror", and of course the MSM will paint resisters as terrorists as dangerous as Al Qaida... and they'll most likely stage another OKC bombing if they have to, just to prove the point. Don't count on Savage and his listeners for the most part. Savage is just "controlled opposition", like Lou Dobbs.

Ain't life grand?

The reason why is that they sometimes talked about this possibility when the Bush Administration signed contracts to build concentration camps, and they actually believed it might happen, and most were talking about what they might do, no commitments of course. I know back when I was a conservative supporter of the war, this was one of the things that really set me against the Bushies, and probably made it possible to convert to this point of view.

 

[snpage]

For Re-Election: Yes!

+1776!

 

[beachmaster]

The reason why is that they sometimes talked about this possibility when the Bush Administration signed contracts to build concentration camps, and they actually believed it might happen, and most were talking about what they might do, no commitments of course. I know back when I was a conservative supporter of the war, this was one of the things that really set me against the Bushies, and probably made it possible to convert to this point of view.

I am glad you saw the light, and I hope you are right that many more will follow.

 

[Luft97]

We have 4 years to get people in other offices. If we keep it up there will be a good chance for a candidate like Ron Paul for office, if Dr. Paul isn't up for it then the first that comes to mind is Governor Mark Sanford, which is a good llibertarian leaning conservative Republican. He's constantly fighting our state legislature esp. over fiscal concerns and he's brought alot of transparency into our state government's operations. He always gets right to the point and doesn't dance around issues at hand.

But remember it's not over yet, and it is entirely up to us to bring the change....hopefully we'll have more than change in our pocket by that time!

I am glad that many of you are optimistic about it. Personaly I am not, after watching what has happened to this country after 1 major terrorist / false flag attack I don't even want to think what could or would happen from a second. I hope my feelings are wrong and we can continue our peaceful return to our constitutional republic.

 

[damon04]

Think of how much our movement will grow in the next 4 years if EVERYONE keeps fighting for our Constitutional principles and love for liberty.. Plus economically, the next President is not F.ed right? I think the movement will catch fire once again once Ron Paul endorses the next Pro-Freedom Candidate, the next Ron Paul Republican.. Heck, it could be Ron Paul, maybe.. He seems to be in very good health for and older fella God Bless this movement!

 

[Nicketas]

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[RSLudlum]

Don't be a naysayer.

Invest time in learning a little something called


MARKETING

That, and reboot congress. Win the crowd.

YES, we can do this in 2012.

We can do this NOW.

ditto, and if we want to fund anybody in 2012 we all need to invest in 'things' to preserve our that funding power

 

[1836]

We could always run to the isle of Elba and make Ron Paul permanent ruler. Not that it's ever happened before.

 

[nate895]

ditto, and if we want to fund anybody in 2012 we all need to invest in 'things' to preserve our that funding power

I say save up $20 a month from now until they announce (which I hope would be in November if we lose), and then just drop it all in at once.

 

[Akus]

I am curious to see what the feelings are at this point with the rest of the grassroots. If we are not able to pull this off by a miracle and get Ron elected, Do you think we will have a chance again in 2012 by running Ron Paul or another like minded individual? Or will the US be to far gone into the police state by that point?

If you are less then hopeful about our success so far, I can assure you that we are kicking asses and taking names, even if the MSM is not reporting this.

Down here in Texas, we have gotten an incredibly big amount of delegates. I hope I am reading too much into what you're saying but Ron Paul's GOP nomination is a very real possibility. It isn't a guarantee, but it is, again, a very possible, realistic, bet, all emotions and all the hoopla aside.

What I am about to say concerns you, Luft97, in particular and every single active Ron Paul supporter in general.

We are still here.
Ron Paul did not quit. His strategy to win merely morphed into something else. Tell this to everyone you know who supports and actively bust his/her rear that we are winning,we are taking over and if there ever was a time for you to leave and stop helping, now would be the time.

Stop listening to the media. Start listening to the whoever your seasoned political activists are. I have a couple in my neck of the woods who are very well versed in this process. I do hope and pray that so do you, reader of this.

 

[kigol]

who knows

 

[Leslie Webb]

Go into the campaign with $20-30 million ready before Iowa.

 

[Kludge]

Hopefully, we won't run Dr. Paul again (nothing against him), but we'll definitely still have a "chance" to get someone "elected" with Dr. Paul's views.

 

[nate895]

Go into the campaign with $20-30 million ready before Iowa.

If 100,000 donate $20 every month from now until January 2011, there would be $66,000,000, then we can donate a lot more. Hopefully we'd have raised 200M, that is enough to kick ass in any election. We could have two Superbowl commercials.