Will the Libertarian Party Field A Candidate Against Presidential Candidate Rand Paul?

[CaptLouAlbano]

What? You don't get a La-Z-Boy in your state?? Y'all need an upgrade!

Seriously, of course I was speaking of being able to live with your vote for either of them. I couldn't, but to each his own.

Again, I don't have to "live with my vote". It is a function that accomplishes a intended task. No emotional connection whatsoever. I don't sit there and beat myself up over a vote I have cast in the past.

 

[compromise]

I disagree with your analysis. For example, #15...the fact that he's friends with Penn Jillette doesn't mean he doesn't hate libertarianism. I have friends who are progressives; I have friends who still adore Dick Cheney. I despise what they believe, but we're still friends. I disagree with your analysis on #3. Ben Swann recently wrote about Beck calling for a war in Syria and Iran. I stopped listening to Beck regularly after the Debra Medina sabotage. If he's changed about other things on the list, good for him. But I suspect that's only because a Dem is in the White House right now.

He's not only friends with Jillette and Napolitano, he claims he is politically influenced by them, agrees with them on a number of issues, promotes Austrian economics books and even calls himself a libertarian. How can this guy hate libertarianism?

 

[cajuncocoa]

As critical of him as you are on this forum, I would have supposed that you at the very least listen to him from time to time to see what he has to say. In my opinion, you really are unqualified to evaluate him.

Since we are on the subject, do you listen to Levin, Hannity, Rush or any of the other media personalities you routinely bash? Or is all the bashing you do born out of a hatred you have for these men because they didn't have an erection for Ron Paul?

I've listened to them enough to know what they're about. I've heard them talk the talk of small government; if they really believed what they say they would have at least refrained from smearing Ron Paul as they did.

 

[cajuncocoa]

He's not only friends with Jillette and Napolitano, he claims he is politically influenced by them, agrees with them on a number of issues, promotes Austrian economics books and even calls himself a libertarian. How can this guy hate libertarianism?

I could claim to be LeBron James; that doesn't mean I can shoot hoops. Austrian economics is only one component of libertarianism. Beck doesn't cut it with his FP views.

 

[AuH20]

He's not only friends with Jillette and Napolitano, he claims he is politically influenced by them, agrees with them on a number of issues, promotes Austrian economics books and even calls himself a libertarian. How can this guy hate libertarianism?

Because he said mean things about Ron Paul. He will burn forever for that crime. I could care less. I'm not a FEELINGS guy. All I know is that Beck is doing yeoman's work that transcends the LP and many other liberty organizations. And the same goes for Alex Jones, who hates Beck. Keep moving the flag forward. And this support structure appplies to that dancing fool Kokesh as well. I'm a big tent guy and if you can attract listeners and promote anti-state ideas, I'll support you.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Because he said mean things about Ron Paul. He will burn forever for that crime. I could care less. All I know is that Beck is doing yeoman's work that transcends the LP and many other liberty organizations. And the same goes for Alex Jones, who hates Beck. Keep moving the flag forward. And this support structure appplies to that dancing fool Kokesh as well. I'm a big tent guy and if you can attract listeners and promote anti-state ideas, I'll support you.

No, it's not just that he said "mean things" about Ron Paul...Beck called Dr Paul's ideas dangerous and more than implied that Ron's supporters were domestic terrorists. If he really believes that, I wonder how serious he is about embracing more than economic libertarian philosophy. And if he supports continued spending for this ridiculous war on terror, he can't really be serious about fiscal responsibility either.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I could claim to be LeBron James; that doesn't mean I can shoot hoops. Austrian economics is only one component of libertarianism. Beck doesn't cut it with his FP views.

You do realize that not all libertarians are strict Jeffersonians? But then again, since you label Beck a neo-con because he agrees with two of the 17 points of neo-con doctrine, maybe I am am starting to understand your method of labeling people. The must agree with all of the points of libertarianism to be a libertarian, but if they only agree with a few of the points of neo-conservatism then they are a neo-con. Gotcha.

 

[compromise]

I could claim to be LeBron James; that doesn't mean I can shoot hoops. Austrian economics is only one component of libertarianism. Beck doesn't cut it with his FP views.

But that means he disagrees with libertarians. It doesn't mean he hates libertarianism. Does DeMint hate libertarianism? Does Mike Lee hate libertarianism? Does Raul Labrador hate libertarianism? Does Mulvaney hate libertarianism? These are people that are rhetorically very similar to Glenn Beck when it comes to including libertarian-leaning individuals within the GOP and agree with Beck regarding Iran. They are also among Rand's and Amash's closest political allies.

You're basically saying that because Glenn agrees with #3 and #13 (which are pretty much the same point anyway) regarding Iran, that Glenn also agrees with #15 automatically. So really you've only got 1 point.

 

[Carlybee]

As critical of him as you are on this forum, I would have supposed that you at the very least listen to him from time to time to see what he has to say. In my opinion, you really are unqualified to evaluate him.

Since we are on the subject, do you listen to Levin, Hannity, Rush or any of the other media personalities you routinely bash? Or is all the bashing you do born out of a hatred you have for these men because they didn't have an erection for Ron Paul?

I listen to all of them and can't stand any of them. You erection comment is vulgar and inappropriate.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I listen to all of them and can't stand any of them. You erection comment is vulgar and inappropriate.

But completely on target.

There are some folks on here (and one former mod), who have an unhealthy emotional attachment to Ron Paul, and have hatred boiling inside them for anyone who dared to be critical of him.

 

[cajuncocoa]

You do realize that not all libertarians are strict Jeffersonians? But then again, since you label Beck a neo-con because he agrees with two of the 17 points of neo-con doctrine, maybe I am am starting to understand your method of labeling people. The must agree with all of the points of libertarianism to be a libertarian, but if they only agree with a few of the points of neo-conservatism then they are a neo-con. Gotcha.

That's wrong. Quite a few libertarians right here on this board have disagreements on minor issues, but in order to be considered libertarian (or any other label) the most important ingredients must be present.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I listen to all of them and can't stand any of them. You erection comment is vulgar and inappropriate.

But completely on target.

There are some folks on here (and one former mod), who have an unhealthy emotional attachment to Ron Paul, and have hatred boiling inside them for anyone who dared to be critical of him.

 

[cajuncocoa]

But completely on target.

There are some folks on here (and one former mod), who have an unhealthy emotional attachment to Ron Paul, and have hatred boiling inside them for anyone who dared to be critical of him.

And others of you have no respect for his main principles at all. I sometimes wonder why some of you bothered to join up here...unless it was an attempt to co-opt Ron's r3volution (nicely played, too)

 

[AuH20]

No, it's not just that he said "mean things" about Ron Paul...Beck called Dr Paul's ideas dangerous and more than implied that Ron's supporters were domestic terrorists. If he really believes that, I wonder how serious he is about embracing more than economic libertarian philosophy. And if he supports continued spending for this ridiculous war on terror, he can't really be serious about fiscal responsibility either.

Yes, Glenn Beck stated that Ron Paul's foreign policy proposals are dangerous since they are abrupt as opposed to a stage by stage breakdown. Now to Beck's terrorist segment, watch it again and note that he says that most RP supporters are operating under a HARMLESS METAPHORICAL revolutionary premise as opposed to terroristic intent. That segment was completely overblown as usual. He never stated that Ron Paul supporters are terrorists. He was simply questioning the use of 'slippery slope' imagery.

 

[Carlybee]

But completely on target.

There are some folks on here (and one former mod), who have an unhealthy emotional attachment to Ron Paul, and have hatred boiling inside them for anyone who dared to be critical of him.

That's fine but should you be making vulgar comments about him in his son's sub forum? I'm sure some of his family looks in from time to time. I mean really that is pretty low whether you care for him or not.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

That's wrong. Quite a few libertarians right here on this board have disagreements on minor issues, but in order to be considered libertarian (or any other label) the most important ingredients must be present.

You do realize that there are people who call themselves libertarians that believe Ron Paul is not a libertarian?

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/94477/ron-paul-distorted-libertarian-ideology

http://www.browndailyherald.com/2012/02/27/silverman-13-ron-paul-is-not-a-libertarian/

http://theblogofprogress.com/?p=367

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2012/01/04/ron-paul-libertarian

 

[Smitty]

Beck is controlled opposition.

If Rand gets the GOP nomination it will be despite the efforts of the RNC.

It's difficult to believe that so many on here have already forgotten the 2012 GOP primary.

Maybe someday the Republican party can be reformed,...but it's a long way from being so at present.

Both of the dominant political parties are owned,..and not by the advocates of liberty.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Yes, Glenn Beck stated that Ron Paul's foreign policy proposals are dangerous since they are abrupt as opposed to a stage by stage breakdown. Now to Beck's terrorist segment, watch it again and note that he says that most RP supporters are operating under a HARMLESS METAPHORICAL revolutionary premise as opposed to terroristic intent. That segment was completely overblown as usual.

Overblown in your opinion. I disagree.

 

[cajuncocoa]

You do realize that there are people who call themselves libertarians that believe Ron Paul is not a libertarian?

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/94477/ron-paul-distorted-libertarian-ideology

http://www.browndailyherald.com/2012/02/27/silverman-13-ron-paul-is-not-a-libertarian/

http://theblogofprogress.com/?p=367

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2012/01/04/ron-paul-libertarian

Yes, I do.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Yes, I do.

So maybe you are not correct in your belief, maybe these folks are the ones that are correct and you are wrong. See what happens when you split hairs over labels?