Will the future of the rEVOLution now move to Barr/Root?

[Don Wills]

There is a case to be made that today we witnessed the birth of a viable third party - the pragmatic LP! If and when Ron Paul gets snubbed by the Republicans by not allowing him to be nominated or speak at the convention, what are you gonna do? And what if Ron Paul then implicitly or explicitly endorses Barr/Root?

The rEVOLution needs a future. Ron Paul was the founder, but he's 72 years old. We need to look past our next web posting folks. Think about what will be going on 3 months from now, 3 years from now. Don't let the rEVOLution die, regardless of what political party its associated with.

 

[Bradley in DC]

For whom to vote is a very personal decision. The general election isn't until November which is eons away in the political calendar.

One could expect some direction from the good doctor himself. Of course, he's already said more than once he expects his supporters to drift to Barr or Baldwin.

Needless to say, ballot access will be a factor.

The rEVOLution is more than just the presidential vote. There are good candidates running now for other offices, such as Vern McKinley for Congress in the Republican primary on June 10th.

And, of course, some of us are on record hoping that some kind of accommodation could be made to enable us to all work together more.

 

[slacker921]

If the Paul supporters are going to get behind Barr they need to do it today. If they wait until September it will be far, far too late for Barr to do anything. If every Paul supporter donated $40 to Barr then he'd have funds to advertise and get on the TV talk shows constantly for weeks and start affecting the polls. If he can get 15% in the national polls then he's in the debates. If he's in the debates then...

It's a catch-22 situation. If we wait until September then Barr has no chance.
If we jump on board with Barr now and then Paul does something surprising or is somehow by some miracle picked as the GOP nominee then we'll have to defeat Barr whom we just worked hard to build up.

The 64 cent question is.. what is Paul going to do with the 4+ million bucks he has sitting in the bank?

 

[WRellim]

Nope.

 

[OptionsTrader]

Nope. As much as I like sound money, to me the war is my number one issue. The iraq war vote and patriot act vote are enough to make him unsupportable in my eyes and in the eyes of a large percentage of the movement IMO. Barr is no Paul and anything less than Paul cannot beat Obama anyway. Support him if you like, but don't expect me to or anyone else whose main issue is the anti-war anti-patriot act stance of Paul.

 

[RSLudlum]

It's a catch-22 situation. If we wait until September then Barr has no chance.
If we jump on board with Barr now and then Paul does something surprising or is somehow by some miracle picked as the GOP nominee then we'll have to defeat Barr whom we just worked hard to build up.

?

If this is the problem, then there's even more of an incentive to push harder the ISSUES/IDEAS we have been supporting in this campaign and by doing so, if Barr is honestly adhering to the Libertarian platfom, we will also be helping Barr's campaign. As far as money goes, that's definitely up to each individual, some may want to organize 'bombs' while others may vehemently oppose such measures esp. if they are advertised on this forum, at which case I guarantee that would definitely be debated

 

[Luft97]

I will support Barr/Root for president. On the other hand, I will always support Ron in any elections he is trying to win.

 

[Kotin]

I will support Barr/Root for president. On the other hand, I will always support Ron in any elections he is trying to win.

same here.


besides CP isnt on the Texas ballot.

 

[chipvogel]

No No No No Barr

By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes.

I haven't forgotten that Paul has a lifetime of upholding the same principles I hold dear. I don't believe for a second that Barr has suddenly become reborn as a fighter for freedom.

 

[OptionsTrader]

Who we (on this forum) vote for is irrelevant. We account for 0.001 % of the electorate. The question is who could you support enough to campaign for and believe in enough to convince friends and family to vote for. If Barr can't get people to do that, he is toast. If "we" can only reluctantly vote for the man, he is fucked.

 

[Printo]

I will support Barr/Root for president. On the other hand, I will always support Ron in any elections he is trying to win.

Same here. I am going to be in Ohio come November and I've checked & neither the LP or CP is on the ballot in Ohio. What does it take to get ballot access in a state? If worse comes to worse, can't I just write in Barr's name on the ballot?

 

[torchbearer]

If the Paul supporters are going to get behind Barr they need to do it today. If they wait until September it will be far, far too late for Barr to do anything. If every Paul supporter donated $40 to Barr then he'd have funds to advertise and get on the TV talk shows constantly for weeks and start affecting the polls. If he can get 15% in the national polls then he's in the debates. If he's in the debates then...

It's a catch-22 situation. If we wait until September then Barr has no chance.
If we jump on board with Barr now and then Paul does something surprising or is somehow by some miracle picked as the GOP nominee then we'll have to defeat Barr whom we just worked hard to build up.

The 64 cent question is.. what is Paul going to do with the 4+ million bucks he has sitting in the bank?

+1.

 

[Melissa]

Nope. As much as I like sound money, to me the war is my number one issue. The patriot act vote are enough to make him unsupportable in my eyes and in the eyes of a large percentage of the movement IMO. Barr is no Paul and anything less than Paul cannot beat Obama anyway. Support him if you like, but don't expect me to or anyone else whose main issue is the anti-war anti-patriot act stance of Paul.

+1

 

[Don Wills]

more information on Bob Barr

Those of you who can't stand Barr should read this before you decide he's the devil -

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13262

 

[torchbearer]

Those of you who can't stand Barr should read this before you decide he's the devil -

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13262

Now that is too reasonable.
We rather see optionstrader going around defaming one of our teammates.
I love how he is single-handedly uniting all of us around his "view" of how all things should be.
To him, there is no reason. And he will not read what you post because it doesn't fit his agenda.

Now other people... may actually see for themselves, and I hope they do.

I wasn't a barr supporter, but i do support the people who are on his staff.
They are trusted, long time libertarians who know and support him.

 

[Libertarian Ideals]

Now that is too reasonable.
We rather see optionstrader going around defaming one of our teammates.
I love how he is single-handedly uniting all of us around his "view" of how all things should be.
To him, there is no reason. And he will not read what you post because it doesn't fit his agenda.

Now other people... may actually see for themselves, and I hope they do.

I wasn't a barr supporter, but i do support the people who are on his staff.
They are trusted, long time libertarians who know and support him.

The PATRIOT Act, the Drug War and the War on Terror are the things where the intelligence community has the most knowledge about. Even former CIA agents like Barr would know a thing or two about decision making at the very least. Barr also seems to like party politics. He supports Bush's policies but when Mr. Clinton does something in the Oval office, Barr is one of the first to use it against him.

I try not to support hypocrites and I hope the rest of the freedom advocates will call Barr out on his past behavior.

 

[bobdobbs]

Let's hope not...

http://www.nostate.com/71/libertarians-for-statism/

 

[torchbearer]

The PATRIOT Act, the Drug War and the War on Terror are the things where the intelligence community has the most knowledge about. Even former CIA agents like Barr would know a thing or two about decision making at the very least. Barr also seems to like party politics. He supports Bush's policies but when Mr. Clinton does something in the Oval office, Barr is one of the first to use it against him.

I try not to support hypocrites and I hope the rest of the freedom advocates will call Barr out on his past behavior.

"Saul"s record on christians wasn't that great either until 'he saw the light'.
People still see his letters as credible.
I believe people can genuinely change their positions, and will give them that benefit until they prove otherwise.
Imagine, you vote for the patriot act because you were caught up in the fear of that moment, and later, you see how the government is abusing people with it.... would that not change your mind?
Then after that change.. you start to look around you at the other deceitful things the government is doing to people...
I can see how the guy could change... and he isn't totally a johnny-come lately like Gravel was...
Plus, he surrounds himself, with long time libertarians, some i personally know and trust.

 

[damon04]

As long as Paul is still in it, my full support is behind him. When and if he loses the nomination, I will fully back Barr.

 

[zaphod2016]

pass

I just read the "Why I Like Barr" article offered above, and I must confess, I am simply not convinced. For me, issues such as the PATRIOT ACT, our out-of-control foreign policy and the draconian drug war are a higher priority than a fair tax compromise.

Call me the devil if you must, but assuming things follow their current trajectory, I'm voting Obama come November.

For your consideration:

http://zaphodforpresident.com/2008/05/22/some-more-thoughts-on-president-obama/