Will the future of the rEVOLution now move to Barr/Root?

Does Bob Barr still believe that there is a military solution in Iraq? His lack of commitment to an immediate withdrawal, as well as his statement that the surge "is working", seems to indicate that is the case.
 
His lack of commitment to an immediate withdrawal, as well as his statement that the surge "is working", seems to indicate that is the case.

WTF!? Folks, where are you getting this stuff?

Here is Barr's postition on Iraq, direct from his own press release:

John McCain and Barack Obama are playing a petty game of “gotcha” while Iraqis demonstrate against the Bush administration’s plan to create long-term, if not permanent, bases in Iraq. “The next president should commit to a speedy and complete withdrawal from Iraq,” argues Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party candidate for president, “and tell the Iraqi people that the U.S. troops will be going home.”

It is “no knock against America’s brave fighting men and women to admit that the war and subsequent occupation was a mistake and has been badly mismanaged,” he adds. The next president must undertake the withdrawal which President Bush will not consider. In fact, with violence down “now is the time to accelerate the turnover of full security authority to the Iraq government, since only when we leave will they have an incentive to take the tough steps necessary to meet their nation’s many challenges – military, economic, and political,” explains Barr.

In any case, so long as Washington dominates Iraq, U.S. forces will remain the target of antagonistic groups, militias, and insurgents. America will continue to lose brave men and women and waste billions of dollars—day after day, week after week, month after month, and year after year. That must end. It has never been America’s purpose to occupy other nations in an effort to remold them, whether Iraq or anywhere else.

Is "speedy" not "immediate" enough of a withdrawl? What do you guys want? If it's Ron Paul on the ballot in November, you're not getting it, so open your minds....!

For all the complaining we do about Ron Paul being "smeared" and his positions being "misrepresented" and "distorted", now here we are doing the same thing to Bob Barr... ! Madness!
 
So since Ron Paul changed his position on the Death Penalty in 2007, you don't trust him anymore either, right?

Big difference. Ron Paul supports the idea of punishing people who are guilty with death. Even today. But he thinks the system is far to error prone.
 
WTF!? Folks, where are you getting this stuff?


Is "speedy" not "immediate" enough of a withdrawl? What do you guys want?

This is obfuscation. "Speedy" is a subjective term. If Barr does not believe there is a military solution to the situation in Iraq, he should stipulate a time frame for troop withdrawal. Right now, lacking specifics, his position is worthless. If he doesn’t want people to think he still supports the continuation of the war, he should take a principled stand against it. Currently, he is trying to talk out of both sides of his mouth, as career politicians like him tend to do.

For all the complaining we do about Ron Paul being "smeared" and his positions being "misrepresented" and "distorted", now here we are doing the same thing to Bob Barr... ! Madness!

Stop comparing Ron Paul to Bob Barr. Barr is not half the man Paul is.
 
100% agreed-there is only one Ron Paul-no one else quite measures up.

Yes, Ron Paul is our Lord and Savior, NOBODY else could ever possibly deserve our vote EVER in a BAZILLION YEARS.

He will always be OUR president 4EVAH, even if he doesn't want to be president.

WRITE IN rEVOLution!!!!!!
 
Yes, Ron Paul is our Lord and Savior, NOBODY else could ever possibly deserve our vote EVER in a BAZILLION YEARS.

He will always be OUR president 4EVAH, even if he doesn't want to be president.

WRITE IN rEVOLution!!!!!!

:rolleyes::D
 
Yes, Ron Paul is our Lord and Savior, NOBODY else could ever possibly deserve our vote EVER in a BAZILLION YEARS.

He will always be OUR president 4EVAH, even if he doesn't want to be president.

WRITE IN rEVOLution!!!!!!

Well when the "libertarian" you're trying to get us to support is not much different than John McCain or Barack Obama, I don't really see the point. The truth hurts sometimes: the Libertarian Party nominated an unprincipled Washington insider who will say anything he thinks people want to hear.
 
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the Libertarian Party nominated an unprincipled Washington insider who will say anything he thinks people want to hear.

so... is there anyone other than Ron Paul who the LP or anyone else could have nominated who you would even consider voting for? I ask this of all the RP Forum peeps. Because I'm really disheartened by the idea that the RP movement is going to have zero impact on the 2008 election if we end up going our seperate ways -- CP/LP/not voting/write-in/McBama (!!!???).
 
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I will not move on to Barr/Root.

If Baldwin is on my states ballot, he gets my vote. If he's not and Barr is, he still will not get my vote and I will write in Ron Paul. I absolutely refuse to vote for Barr.
 
This is absolutely ridiculous. I feel like I am dealing with a bunch of neo cons! This is the same crap the neo cons threw at me about RON PAUL. I am thoroughly disgusted. Ron Paul was for open borders and he changed his mind. What about that? I was a republican for 30 years..and with NEW infomation..I changed my mind! When I realized the GOP had LEFT me in the dust... I CHANGED MY MIND!!!!! So ...it is impossible for Bob Barr to become MORE ENLIGHTENED and CHANGE HIS MIND???? This is nothing more than bitter stubborn ness that will get this movement absolutely nowhere. I'm done! I am going to start a thread for those who want to support Bob Barr...maybe those of us who do, can begin some kind of stragedy to help him get elected. I dont' want to argue or try to convince anymore. It's nothing but a pissing contest now. This is so sad. This is just what the jerks who hated Ron Paul predicted would happen to the Ron Paul movement and they are going to die laughing.
 
I CHANGED MY MIND!!!!! So ...it is impossible for Bob Barr to become MORE ENLIGHTENED and CHANGE HIS MIND???? This is nothing more than bitter stubborn ness that will get this movement absolutely nowhere.

I am not alone! thank you!
 
svf and anyone who is for Bob Barr. I started a Ron Paul Lovers support thread for Bob Barr...maybe we can put our heads together and get some positives going in the right direction. I hurts my heart to argue with FAMILY! sigh
 
This is absolutely ridiculous. I feel like I am dealing with a bunch of neo cons! This is the same crap the neo cons threw at me about RON PAUL. I am thoroughly disgusted. Ron Paul was for open borders and he changed his mind. What about that? I was a republican for 30 years..and with NEW infomation..I changed my mind! When I realized the GOP had LEFT me in the dust... I CHANGED MY MIND!!!!! So ...it is impossible for Bob Barr to become MORE ENLIGHTENED and CHANGE HIS MIND???? This is nothing more than bitter stubborn ness that will get this movement absolutely nowhere. I'm done! I am going to start a thread for those who want to support Bob Barr...maybe those of us who do, can begin some kind of stragedy to help him get elected. I dont' want to argue or try to convince anymore. It's nothing but a pissing contest now. This is so sad. This is just what the jerks who hated Ron Paul predicted would happen to the Ron Paul movement and they are going to die laughing.


Of course he can change his mind... no one is saying he can't.

He is completely free to change his mind and slog around in the background, putting in his time, paying his DUES like everyone else, campaigning for others, learning, etc.



But what he can't do is change his mind and then
INSTANTLY expect everyone to follow him
and anoint him as their "New Saviour" and the self-appointed "King" of the movement.




The idiots at the LP convention may have fallen in line with that, but a LOT of the rest of us just aren't buying it.



(He's a little like the drunkard, the wife-abuser, or the philanderer -- who claims he's changed his ways -- and expects everyone to believe him... PROVE IT FIRST... LONG TERM SOBRIETY... and maybe in another 4 years we'll consider it!)
 
Sore Losers

I guess I am seeing sore losers...people who wanted some other libertarian candidate to get the nomination. Ron Paul has pretty much endorsed Bob Barr AND Chuck Baldwin. I am voting for the Libertarian Party and the message...not particularly Bob Barr...he just has more potential to get the LP into the game.
 
Take advantage....

I am taking advantage of the opportunity to utilize resources that will push the Libertarian Party and our message UP the political ladder!!! Can you think of it that way? This could be a real turning point for the LP. and the message of Liberty.
 
I am taking advantage of the opportunity to utilize resources that will push the Libertarian Party and our message UP the political ladder!!! Can you think of it that way? This could be a real turning point for the LP. and the message of Liberty.

Or, since Barr has a habit of being rather "weaselly" in interviews and such, it will water down the "message" of the LP and make it completely irrelevant.

It probably IS a turning point for the LP... just not in the way that you think.:(
 
well...

Well...I'm a more conservative libertarian..like Ron Paul. So if this takes the libertarian party a little more to the right...I won't be sad. I know there are many purist libertarians who don't want to see this happen...but if it doens't ..the LP will remain nowhere. Things change...look at the GOP ...boy ..it's not the Republican Party I once knew. I am going with the party that is for Limited Government, less taxes, states rights ...the Constitution..that can get this message out the most and quickest.
 
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