Will Ted Cruz and Rand Paul split on Iran? Americans back Iran deal

[Brian4Liberty]

Unfortunately, I think it's politically impossible for Republicans to come out in favor of this. Even Greg Brannon came out against it. So I wouldn't get your expectations too high.

Then what exactly is the point of even trying to get people like that elected?

There are candidates that have not sided with the neo-conservatives on this issue. Campaign donations will probably start reflecting that.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Are Zionist Christians really "close to extinct"? My sample size is small, but I know too many on my mom's side of the family to believe they're "close to extinct".

 

[MichaelDavis]

Unfortunately, I think it's politically impossible for Republicans to come out in favor of this. Even Greg Brannon came out against it. So I wouldn't get your expectations too high.

Anyone with half a brain would be against this. I like Dr. Brannon even more now.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Brannon's statement on the agreement was not too controversial.

http://gregbrannon.com/news/2013/11/25/greg-brannon-statement-on-iran-agreement

 

[Christian Liberty]

Anyone with half a brain would be against this. I like Dr. Brannon even more now.

I don't know the details of the bill, but war is an issue that I can't really compromise on. Its at the very foundation of basic morality for me. War leads to the murder of innocents, and murdering innocents is always wrong.

While I mostly am a "libertarian purist" I can accept deviance from the philosophy in many areas. The issue of war is not one of them.

 

[supermario21]

There are probably good reasons to be against the deal. Heck, some are trying to use the deal to add MORE sanctions on Iran. I'd support getting rid of all the sanctions if they sent that pastor free. I'm sure they'd take that deal as well. That being said, I'm personally for the deal. I know Rand on Special Report seemed like he supported the deal and also advocated reducing sanctions while negotiating so those are positive signs.

 

[Brett85]

Brannon's statement on the agreement was not too controversial.

http://gregbrannon.com/news/2013/11/25/greg-brannon-statement-on-iran-agreement

Well it's all complete B.S, but I guess maybe liberty candidates have to basically lie about their foreign policy positions to win a GOP primary since the neo-conservatives still dominate the GOP.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Well it's all complete B.S, but I guess maybe liberty candidates have to basically lie about their foreign policy positions to win a GOP primary since the neo-conservatives still dominate the GOP.

If that's the case, then quite honestly, I think its time to give up on politics and start doing other things. Is it time to start encouraging civil disobedience?

My willingness to compromise here is very, very limited. I can live with some meaningless fawning over Israel but start making threats to other countries and on principle I really can't take it. To me, the evilness of bombing some foreign countries is even worse than the evil of an income tax orr basically any social issue you can think of (Abortion could theoretically be an exception to this, but in reality it isn't because... quite frankly, as much as I'd like to see something done with that, the State is unwilling AND unable to actually do so.)

 

[Smitty]

the neo-conservatives still dominate the GOP.

When the GOP ceases to be dominated by the neocons, it will cease to exist.

Leftists control both of the dominant political parties.

In order to gain prominence in either of them, one has to espouse leftist ideology.

The next GOP primary will be a group of sold out politicians trying to convince their masters that they will take the toughest stance against Iran.

Any candidate who doesn't toe the line on Iran will get the same treatment that Ron Paul got during the last GOP primary.

Political partisanship will never be the path to freedom.

 

[compromise]

Then what exactly is the point of even trying to get people like that elected?

Maybe because they agree with us on everything else?

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Maybe because they agree with us on everything else?

You can't even say they side with "us" on economic issues if they're puppets for the MIC. So how exactly are they of use?

 

[compromise]

You can't even say they side with "us" on economic issues if they're puppets for the MIC. So how exactly are they of use?

So disagreeing with us on one Iran deal makes one a puppet for the MIC even if they oppose:
- Domestic drone use
- Mass surveillance through the Patriot Act
- Humanitarian intervention such as Libya, Syria & Kosovo?

 

[CPUd]

I believe the starting point on those polls is after the war started. Am I mistaken about that?

If so, that makes a big difference. Once troops are committed, people have a way of convincing themselves they're the good guys. But what about in the lead up to the war? Was it the American people demanding war with Iraq, and their congressmen following the lead of the people? Or did the government have to expend great effort in selling the idea to the populace?

They did enough selling that there were people who believed Saddam was responsible for 9/11 attacks.

But what I remember the most is about once every couple months through the 90's there was a new story about UN weapons inspectors in Iraq. Sometimes, they would get cooperation, and sometimes they get kicked out and the UN threatens sanctions. But by the 2000's, we were getting people who were former inspectors saying there wasn't anything over there to be found.