Will a Jeff Flake Victory help the Liberty Movement?

[sailingaway]

I know that its hard to get over, but I really think Rand will talk some sense into him. Flake was principled on economic issues like spending and taxes under the Bush administration. Very, very few conservatives can say that.

fiscally conservative isn't a liberty candidate in itself, and I see nothing else to recommend him.

It is each person's own decision, but I think where we NEED funding is where the arbitrary left/right paradigm misses, where you have candidates that are BOTH fiscally conservative AND oppose the police state, for example, giving them no 'lobbiest base'. Those people are speaking for me, at least. Not those wholly on the partisan right or the partisan left.

If we spend our resources on run of the mill Club for Growth candidates, we will lose the ability to get actual liberty candidates elected. And candidates will have little incentive to BE actual liberty candidates.

 

[libertskee]

fiscally conservative isn't a liberty candidate in itself, and I see nothing else to recommend him.

It is each person's own decision, but I think where we NEED funding is where the arbitrary left/right paradigm misses, where you have candidates that are BOTH fiscally conservative AND oppose the police state, for example, giving them no 'lobbiest base'. Those people are speaking for me, at least. Not those wholly on the partisan right or the partisan left.

I agree with your sentiment. The only argument I am trying to make on this thread is that electing Flake will HELP our movement, even if it is only on the economic side. I really hope that Rand can talk some sense into him about Civil Liberties.

 

[sailingaway]

I agree with your sentiment. The only argument I am trying to make on this thread is that electing Flake will HELP our movement, even if it is only on the economic side. I really hope that Rand can talk some sense into him about Civil Liberties.

I wouldn't spend money on him, though. I'd save that for people who follow the constitution.

 

[talkingpointes]

Apparently we have a entire bloc of Paul people now ready to concede to anyone voting mildly for liberty. What a god damn joke. Call me a purist but liberty takes time, and will take a lot more when your willing to get three steps forward only to take four steps back when you give these people the power. FLAKE IS HAS AND WILL ALWAYS BE A PAWN.

“This election will be an important moment in our nation’s history,” said Congressman Flake. “The next president will be charged with reversing the failed policies of the last three years and making sure the future is as bright for our children as it was for the generations before them. Mitt Romney has the experience and vision to get our country on the right path again. Whether it was his time as governor or as a successful businessman, Mitt Romney has shown that he has the economic knowledge to create the environment for businesses to start hiring again.”

Yeah.... Wooo. Wait, WUT.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Flake seems better than DeMitt from the years I've watched him. Neither is pro-liberty but both are/would be in the top 10 least bad US Senators category.

I have never given to either and I don't plan on starting now. I wish them both and Bills a lot of luck. I'd love to have Flake and Bills be US Senators as they would stand out as beacons of liberty (deserved or not) compared to the current US Senators.

As for the Liberty For All PAC, good decisions tend to be the norm for it. Liberty For All rocks!

 

[sailingaway]

Flake seems better than DeMitt from the years I've watched him. Neither is pro-liberty but both are/would be in the top 10 least bad US Senators category.

I have never given to either and I don't plan on starting now. I wish them both and Bills a lot of luck. I'd love to have Flake and Bills be US Senators as they would stand out as beacons of liberty (deserved or not) compared to the current US Senators.

As for the Liberty For All PAC, good decisions tend to be the norm for it. Liberty For All rocks!

De Mint voted AGAINST NDAA, as I recall.

And no, I am not saying that makes him a liberty candidate. However, I do respect him, given our differences.

 

[talkingpointes]

Jeff Flake "Senator Jon Kyl has given all of the eventual candidates in this race an excellent model of how to best serve Arizona and the country. He's set the bar extremely high, and I'll do my best to meet that standard."
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/jeff_flake.html#Bjd8WME8xlz09h3v.99

 

[specsaregood]

Apparently we have a entire bloc of Paul people now ready to concede to anyone voting mildly for liberty. What a god damn joke. Call me a purist but liberty takes time, and will take a lot more when your willing to get three steps forward only to take four steps back when you give these people the power. FLAKE IS HAS AND WILL ALWAYS BE A PAWN.

“This election will be an important moment in our nation’s history,” said Congressman Flake. “The next president will be charged with reversing the failed policies of the last three years and making sure the future is as bright for our children as it was for the generations before them. Mitt Romney has the experience and vision to get our country on the right path again. Whether it was his time as governor or as a successful businessman, Mitt Romney has shown that he has the economic knowledge to create the environment for businesses to start hiring again.”

Yeah.... Wooo. Wait, WUT.

The day that the majority of Senators are no worse than Flake will be a great day.

 

[libertskee]

So its looking like Flake will vote with the the Rand/DeMint faction. I believe that they will be able to show Flake the light when it comes to these civil liberties issues. At least thats what I hope...lol

 

[tbone717]

Jeff Flake "Senator Jon Kyl has given all of the eventual candidates in this race an excellent model of how to best serve Arizona and the country. He's set the bar extremely high, and I'll do my best to meet that standard."
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/jeff_flake.html#Bjd8WME8xlz09h3v.99

Would you prefer that he called Kyl a piece of shit? If so then I am sure there is some obscure minor party candidate out there for you. Politics is a lot like the business world, you get a lot further and get a lot more accomplished being cordial to others than you do burning bridges.

 

[tbone717]

So its looking like Flake will vote with the the Rand/DeMint faction. I believe that they will be able to show Flake the light when it comes to these civil liberties issues. At least thats what I hope...lol

Of course, allies can have influence over one another. That's the nature of building coalitions in politics. When you have lunch together, run in the same circles, attend the same think tank meetings you build a relationship that can work towards influencing one another when it comes to those big votes.

 

[tbone717]

why do people keep trotting this a**hole out before us? he has been found lacking

Maybe because we think as individuals and not everyone feels that there is a 10 point checklist that every candidate has to pass with flying colors before being worthy of support. Of course, the more folks here denigrate those who differ in opinions, the less and less folks you will have here to exchange ideas. Eventually, if you choose to go in that direction, you may end up with a nice little group that agrees on everything all the time.

 

[sailingaway]

So its looking like Flake will vote with the the Rand/DeMint faction. I believe that they will be able to show Flake the light when it comes to these civil liberties issues. At least thats what I hope...lol

how is it 'looking like that'?

I bet none of them voted for NDAA. That makes him NOT voting 'with' them.

If you mean he will vote fiscally conservatively, that is nice, but it is only one area.

Some progressives voted 'with' them on NDAA, and it doesn't make them liberty candidates either, just good on that one issue.

 

[pcosmar]

Apparently we have a entire bloc of Paul people now ready to concede to anyone voting mildly for liberty giving lip service.

fify

It was principles that sold me on Ron Paul.
It is Principle that I will vote. not pandering,, nor some alleged strategic plan.
Principle

 

[talkingpointes]

fify

It was principles that sold me on Ron Paul.
It is Principle that I will vote. not pandering,, nor some alleged strategic plan.
Principle

You mean getting a chance to have suckle at the teet of power doesn't excite you enough to give up your beliefs? Surely you jest....

 

[tbone717]

fify

It was principles that sold me on Ron Paul.
It is Principle that I will vote. not pandering,, nor some alleged strategic plan.
Principle

And you have every right to choose how you act. But on the same token people should not bash those that see things otherwise. There are those that will sit around waiting for the next Ron Paul before they open their wallets up, and then there are those that are looking to build a coalition of like minded elected officials who agree on the vast majority of issues and positions.

 

[pcosmar]

You mean getting a chance to have suckle at the teet of power doesn't excite you enough to give up your beliefs? Surely you jest....

not the tits that interest me. sorry.

 

[talkingpointes]

He'll have you indefinitely put in prison without a trial or lawyer - but not allow for earmarks. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. You guys should of stopped at Rand and made a stand. No principles, no vote, end of story. Hitler ended the central bank, but might of made some other mistakes - would you apologize for him. Same for Jackson.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Flake will be very helpful in many areas..definitely one of the better one's running. A mixed record on civil liberties to be sure.

 

[phx420]

Flake is exemplary of the ron paul effect on the republican party and we will see more candidates like him... you win the battle on fiscal responsibility.. but haven't accomplished a worth of shit on civil liberties