Wikileaks: "The Egyptian 'people blame America' now for their plight under Mubarak."

[charrob]

Wikileaks: "The Egyptian 'people blame America' now for their plight under Mubarak."

Wikileaks: "The Egyptian 'people blame America' now for their plight under Mubarak."

Viewing cable 10DOHA71, SENATOR KERRY'S MEETING WITH QATAR'S PRIME MINISTER (HBJ)


Returning to his theme that "peace brokers" act in their own self-interest, HBJ observed that President Mubarak of Egypt is thinking about how his son can take his place and how to stave off the growing strength of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Egyptian government, said HBJ, has jailed 10,000 Muslim Brotherhood members without bringing court cases against them. The Egyptian "people blame America" now for their plight. The shift in mood on the ground is "mostly because of Mubarak and his close ties" to the United States.

http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2010/02/10DOHA71.html

 

[puppetmaster]

i still have a feeling Israel has something to do with this flare up. They have conducted covert ops in the past without US knowledge. This may explain the lack of a cohesive media spin in the beginning.

 

[Vessol]

Why would Israel support the protests in Egypt? The Egyptian regime is a puppet of the U.S, like Israel, and they have a vested interest in the current regime staying in power.
If the current regime is toppled, it's very likely that the Muslim Brotherhood will have a strong say in the new regime, and the Muslim Brotherhood is not an ally at all of Israel. The southern border of the Gaza concentration camp will open up, Israel won't like that.

 

[charrob]

i still have a feeling Israel has something to do with this flare up. They have conducted covert ops in the past without US knowledge. This may explain the lack of a cohesive media spin in the beginning.

It looks like we've been bribing the egyptian government for 30 years with taxpayer dollars not to go to war with israel and not allow any other regional countries go to war with israel. We train their soldiers and give them our most advanced technology.

This is all so crazy. The U.S. shouldn't be giving weapons or technology to any other country. It looks like the egyptian people have been suppressed in a police state and since we've provided that police state, they aren't happy with us.

Major General Fouad Arafa interjected during the discussion to note that the spirit of the Camp David accord was that there would be a 2:3 balance between Egypt and Israel's security assistance. Egypt's role was to keep a certain balance of power in the region that would not allow other parties to go to war. Egypt had fulfilled this role faithfully for the last 30 years. al-Assar added that the current ratio of 2:5 was a violation of the Camp David ratio.

Egypt has spent approximately $40 million to purchase the steel for the underground wall on the Gaza border, and Egypt was paying the cost of this wall in terms of public opinion both within Egypt and the region. [This is not surprising as i've read in the past that many in Egypt are upset about their government's role in suppressing the Palestinians.]

Dr. Kahl encouraged Egypt to sign a Communications Electronics Security Agreement (CESA aka CISMOA) with the Unites States, which would pave the way for the transfer of advanced technology to Egypt and greatly increase interoperability. Al-Assar stated that Egypt had "its reasons to delay a decision on a CISMOA." He noted that thousands of Egyptian military officers have participated in training and education programs in the United States and learned about U.S. technology and strategy. He commented that the younger officers are frustrated with the delay in obtaining political release for more advanced U.S. technology. Specifically, al-Assar referred to TOW2B and JAVELIN, which he commented had already been released to other countries. Al-Assar noted that a CISMOA was not a condition for obtaining these systems, but instead they were held up due to a "third party".

Al-Assar encouraged Dr. Kahl to convince the U.S. Congress that Egypt was worth more than $1.3 billion a year. Dr. Kahl mentioned that Egypt receives the second largest amount of assistance in the world, and that during these difficult financial times in the United States, it was unlikely that annual flow of FMF would increase. He did however reassure the Egyptian officials that the USG would continue to advocate for current levels of FMF and push back on any attempts to condition those funds.

http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2010/02/10CAIRO257.html

 

[lester1/2jr]

theres nothing th US or israel can do though. send in troops to support mubarak? now?

 

[charrob]

theres nothing th US or israel can do though. send in troops to support mubarak? now?

the problem, as i see it, is that we've been supporting Mubarak (and the israelis) for 30 years. it looks like the egyptian people blame us for the police state they apparently now find themselves in.

Ron Paul is right: we need to stop all foreign aid and involvement... let the dice fall as they may.

 

[Stary Hickory]

LOL how about Egyptians blame their own dumb asses for letting a dictator rule them for 30 years. Good God, they are blaming everyone but those who allowed it to happen in the first place...no wonder they have such a shitty deal...they take no responsibility for their own predicament. Had they not tolerated it, they would not be in the position they are in.

 

[dizi24]

i still have a feeling Israel has something to do with this flare up. They have conducted covert ops in the past without US knowledge. This may explain the lack of a cohesive media spin in the beginning.

Why would Israel do this? First, Mubarak has maintained a civil relationship with Israel. They're not best friends, but there is no threat from the Egyptian government. Second, Egypt has been brutal with respect to the Gaza border. The wall they built is more impressive than that wall the Israelis built. Third, chaos creates the potential for a loosened border between Gaza and Egypt. It allows Hamas a chance to smuggle through the Egyptian border. Finally, what they get in place of Mubarak is completely unknown. There's a very good chance they end up with someone less friendly to Israel.

It doesn't even remotely make sense.

 

[charrob]

LOL how about Egyptians blame their own dumb asses for letting a dictator rule them for 30 years. Good God, they are blaming everyone but those who allowed it to happen in the first place...no wonder they have such a shitty deal...they take no responsibility for their own predicament. Had they not tolerated it, they would not be in the position they are in.

yes, but it was with our weapons, our adv. technology, our taxpayers dollars, our training of their military inside the U.S. that they've been suppressed...

 

[Stary Hickory]

yes, but it was with our weapons, our adv. technology, our taxpayers dollars, our training of their military inside the U.S. that they've been suppressed...

We did not give them that much money. Egyptians supported that government willingly or passively...but they did it.

 

[Vessol]

LOL how about Egyptians blame their own dumb asses for letting a dictator rule them for 30 years. Good God, they are blaming everyone but those who allowed it to happen in the first place...no wonder they have such a shitty deal...they take no responsibility for their own predicament. Had they not tolerated it, they would not be in the position they are in.

Guess you failed to get the memo about how tens of thousands of people have been arrested over the years by the secret police there?

That's like saying its Winston Smith's fault he is in the Ministry of Love.

 

[romacox]

Did you hear Obama's speech to Mubarak? He told him to listen to his people, and to make his words meaningful. I think he (Obama) could listen to his own advise.

 

[specsaregood]

As far as I'm concerned this just backs up Dr. Paul's previous statements on foreign policy and interventionism.
Laugh now neocons....

 

[Stary Hickory]

Guess you failed to get the memo about how tens of thousands of people have been arrested over the years by the secret police there?

That's like saying its Winston Smith's fault he is in the Ministry of Love.

No it is THEIR fault, they support the government, they don't have to. They chose to. There is no chance for liberty when the people who enslave themselves are too stupid to realize it. Egypt will never be free as long as they hold onto such a mentality. This gets pretty lame really, the only people who can help them is themselves, they are the ones who empower government, they support it, they are responsible. If they are trying to find 3rd parties to blame this on they are a lost cause. Their minds are too broken.

 

[Vessol]

No it is THEIR fault, they support the government, they don't have to. They chose to. There is no chance for liberty when the people who enslave themselves are too stupid to realize it. Egypt will never be free as long as they hold onto such a mentality. This gets pretty lame really, the only people who can help them is themselves, they are the ones who empower government, they support it, they are responsible. If they are trying to find 3rd parties to blame this on they are a lost cause. Their minds are too broken.

So I guess you and I are response for the Federal Reserve too, thus we and the American people in general deserve it? And the Patriot Act?

Stop being such a collectivist.

 

[charrob]

No it is THEIR fault, they support the government, they don't have to. They chose to. There is no chance for liberty when the people who enslave themselves are too stupid to realize it. Egypt will never be free as long as they hold onto such a mentality. This gets pretty lame really, the only people who can help them is themselves, they are the ones who empower government, they support it, they are responsible. If they are trying to find 3rd parties to blame this on they are a lost cause. Their minds are too broken.

Many antiwar protesters in this country have had their homes raided at 5am in the morning by the F.B.I. for no other reason than their protests to end the war. Many have been silenced by this through fear, and many others refuse to take part out of fear.

Indefinite detention. Ubiquitous torture. Secret courts. Special authority for police interventions. The complete absence of privacy, even in one's own home.

Astute followers of American politics might think those items a dog whistle, evoking the worst civil liberties abuses permitted by the USA PATRIOT Act and other "emergency" provisions passed in the wake of Sept. 11, 2001.

They are, in fact, just a few of the powers claimed in an Egyptian "emergency" law passed in 1958, that goes even further than the controversial American security provisions.

The law has been used to keep the country under an officially declared "state of emergency" since the assassination of President Anwar el-Sadat in 1981. Prior to that, it had been invoked frequently since 1967, in the aftermath of the Arab-Israeli war.

Egyptians have been campaigning against it ever since.

Torture and brutality in Egypt's prisons was long known to American officials, another leaked cable revealed Friday.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/...-egypt-gave-government-uslike-special-powers/

 

[pcosmar]

No it is THEIR fault, they support the government, they don't have to. They chose to. There is no chance for liberty when the people who enslave themselves are too stupid to realize it. Egypt will never be free as long as they hold onto such a mentality. This gets pretty lame really, the only people who can help them is themselves, they are the ones who empower government, they support it, they are responsible. If they are trying to find 3rd parties to blame this on they are a lost cause. Their minds are too broken.

No they didn't "choose" it. It was imposed on them.
Thousands have been arrested tortured and murdered over the years for speaking out against it.

Now Hundreds of thousands are demanding . They want the imposed puppet government gone., and free elections.

 

[amy31416]

We did not give them that much money.

HAHAHAHAHA! What??

 

[teacherone]

HAHAHAHAHA! What??

what's 68, 000, 000, 000 among friends?

 

[amy31416]

what's 68, 000, 000, 000 among friends?

Apparently, not much. I wanna be Stary Hickory's friend.