Why's Rand losing the 18-34 segment?

[AggieforPaul]

Young people seemed to be Ron's strong point in the POTUS primary. Its probably explained by the fact that college grads are favoring Paul and non grads are favoring Conway. Young people who haven't studied history probably still think voting Democrat is "cool" for whatever reason.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Young people seemed to be Ron's strong point in the POTUS primary. Its probably explained by the fact that college grads are favoring Paul and non grads are favoring Conway. Young people who haven't studied history probably still think voting Democrat is "cool" for whatever reason.

It could be that College Young Republicans in Kentucky do dumb shit like this:

 

[Flash]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but most Ron Paul activists were young people however most Ron Paul supporters were actually of an older demographic.

 

[CasualApathy]

Perhaps because of his more moderate tone. Young people such as myself tend to prefer people who stand on principles regardless of what is the "smart" thing to say, such as his dad did during his 2008 run. I have been a bit disillusioned by Rand's willingness to sort of give an inch here and there. I always think of what Ron says about the income tax, if you give up say 1% in taxes then you have given up 100% of the principle.

I know the argument that Rand would vote basically the same as his dad, and i have no doubt he will be a great senator, but it still bothers me. Can't help it.

And i think that sentiment is especially widespread among the youth, as people grow older they tend to become more moderate on average on most things.

 

[CasualApathy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but most Ron Paul activists were young people however most Ron Paul supporters were actually of an older demographic.

Yea.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Young people, who are pretty unreliable voters, mostly lean democratic. The end.

 

[specsaregood]

Young people, who are pretty unreliable voters, mostly lean democratic. The end.

Indeed. Even if RP had a sizeable "young" base in the Republican party, it is just a small % compared to the numbers in the Democrat party.

 

[Light]

Young people, who are pretty unreliable voters, mostly lean democratic. The end.

This. Contrary to popular belief, most of Ron Paul's supporters are older. Also, most people under 30 are leftists. Hopefully, when the freebies dry up, they will learn they will change their tune.

 

[CasualApathy]

Socialism seems nice when you are young and don't know any better. I mean, who doesn't want to help other people and make sure no one starves in the streets or dies of an illness that could have been treated. If all you see is the upside then it's only natural that that is where the young people will go. People are basically good and care about others, and that is very positive. Our job is to show them the flipside of socialism and why it ends in failure and misery, but then again - it seems like we are all getting closer and closer to a real life demonstration of that.

 

[LeifEiriksson]

Just because Ron Paul had an active following of young voters doesn't mean a majority of young voters supported him, or Rand for that matter.

 

[AuH20]

Millennials are generally idiots. I apologize for the crassness. Think baby boomers by the power of 3. I couldn't think of a more appropriate class of people headed towards economic oblivion.

 

[AuH20]

Socialism seems nice when you are young and don't know any better. I mean, who doesn't want to help other people and make sure no one starves in the streets or dies of an illness that could have been treated. If all you see is the upside then it's only natural that that is where the young people will go. People are basically good and care about others, and that is very positive. Our job is to show them the flipside of socialism and why it ends in failure and misery, but then again - it seems like we are all getting closer and closer to a real life demonstration of that.

Socialism is selfishness and the dissolution of personal responsibility rolled into one.

http://www.newworldorderreport.com/...than-two-decades-ago-claims-new-research.aspx

 

[BlackTerrel]

Indeed. Even if RP had a sizeable "young" base in the Republican party, it is just a small % compared to the numbers in the Democrat party.

I imagine if you compared Ron Vs. Obama 18-34 then Obama's lead over Ron would be far greater than whatever Rand is up against.

 

[CasualApathy]

Socialism is selfishness and the dissolution of personal responsibility rolled into one.

http://www.newworldorderreport.com/...than-two-decades-ago-claims-new-research.aspx

Well, you don't have to tell me that.

Impressively long link btw. nice. *thumbs up*

 

[BenIsForRon]

As I said in the other thread, its all about narrative. In Rand's short time in the spotlight, he was reluctant to give full support to article 2 of CRA, he is against the ADA, and he appeared to defend BP. All this contributes to a narrative, reinforced by attacks from Conway, that Rand is a regressive candidate.Most young voters will just see a couple of those things and believe Rand is just another big business supporting Republican.

Rand needs to decide what he wants his narrative to be (hopefully, a Mr. Smith-type character), and play that up. He needs to talk about his grassroots support, his support of economic policies that restore money and power to the people, and his opposition to giant government programs. If someone asks him about health and safety regulations, he needs to say he's fine with them, or he wants to reform them. None of this "if people get salmonella poisoning, they'll take their business elsewhere" stuff.

 

[Light]

I imagine if you compared Ron Vs. Obama 18-34 then Obama's lead over Ron would be far greater than whatever Rand is up against.

This. I would say that a sizable portion of the young right has libertarian beliefs or tendencies, however, the young libertarians are a small minority compared to the number of young socialists. We have the public indoctination centers (public schools) and the brainwashing (entertainment and MSM) industry to blame for this.

I basically think agree with AuH20 on this:
Millennials are generally idiots. I apologize for the crassness. Think baby boomers by the power of 3. I couldn't think of a more appropriate class of people headed towards economic oblivion.

 

[GoatsGoneWild]

I've always thought that younger people (especially of the current generation) are becoming less religious and more secular. They seem to nearly unanimously support things like gay marriage and are turned off by the GOP's crusade against it. I believe they turn to the Democrats because they feel that the liberal position on social issues is more with the times. A lot of people seem to vote for any Democratic candidate purely for this reason.

I don't think the younger people understand economics or follow politics closely enough to understand that Rand has more socially liberal positions on things like gay marriage.

If you ever try to talk politics with the average 20-something, you will find that they know very little about foreign policy, economics, the law, etc., but have firm stances toward things like gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, evolution theory, and feel that the Republicans live in the stone ages.

 

[idiom]

Roughly

If you are not a socialist by the time you are 25, you have no heart. If you are still a socialist by the time you are 35, you have no head

 

[erowe1]

This is great news! So Rand beats Conway overall by 6%. But when you factor in that a lot of Conway's support comes from the most unreliable age group, Rand's lead is even better.

 

[Andy_MIT]

Department of Education

I've always thought that younger people (especially of the current generation) are becoming less religious and more secular. They seem to nearly unanimously support things like gay marriage and are turned off by the GOP's crusade against it. I believe they turn to the Democrats because they feel that the liberal position on social issues is more with the times. A lot of people seem to vote for any Democratic candidate purely for this reason.

I don't think the younger people understand economics or follow politics closely enough to understand that Rand has more socially liberal positions on things like gay marriage.

If you ever try to talk politics with the average 20-something, you will find that they know very little about foreign policy, economics, the law, etc., but have firm stances toward things like gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, evolution theory, and feel that the Republicans live in the stone ages.

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