Why women don't vote for us?!!!

[mikeh2002]

These threads always incites men to trot out the most ridiculous explanations. To save us the time and trouble, I'll sum up.

Women are intellectually inferior to men. This means they're all liberal, they all have abortions on the weekends, and they all will swallow (harharhar) whatever rhetoric the best lookin' hunk on the stage has to offer. They are intensely greedy and have "daddy issues" that make them want socialism. Their vote can only be secured by showing them pictures of babies. Further, the only women we should care about are the ones that RP supporters would like to bone -- and telling them such should be seen as a compliment. In the end, though, they probably won't want to have sex with you because you're just too smart for them and they are thus useless to the campaign and should be ignored, due to their inherently fickle natures that for no apparent reason seem to drive them away from groups of RP supporters almost as soon as they step in the door.

Oh, and I'm being sarcastic. I must make that note because otherwise you really couldn't be sure whether this post was made in jest due to the nature of previous posts like it. Awesome.

Ah sarcasm, thanks. I was about to launch into an explaination of the whole radical women's movement from the 70s ( the whole gang- Gloria, McKinnon, Dworkin, etc) and how they admitted their movement REQUIRES socialism. And how that's why Hillary is so fond of Socialism.
But I won't now.

Anyway, it was just an idea regarding the abortion message.

 

[Hope]

Ah sarcasm, thanks. I was about to launch into an explaination of the whole radical women's movement from the 70s ( the whole gang- Gloria, McKinnon, Dworkin, etc) and how they admitted their movement REQUIRES socialism. And how that's why Hillary is so fond of Socialism.
But I won't now.

Anyway, it was just an idea regarding the abortion message.

The things you've mentioned have not been brought up, at least in the threads I've visited.

Here's the thing, though. Andrea Dworkin does not represent the entire feminist movement, much less women as a whole. It'd be like me basing my opinion of Christianity off of Fred Phelps. That'd just be silly. Hillary loves socialism for the same reason Bill does, her ovaries and her belief that she should have rights equal to men has nothing to do with it. (Unless she has said or written something praising feminist extremists I am unaware of.)

 

[Hope]

Oh, and the most important point out of all of this: Even if women were decidedly more liberal than men, that still would have NOTHING to do with why Ron Paul is not attracting the female vote. Huckabee, Rudy, McCain, Thompson and Hunter get plenty of female votes and I don't think it's because they're so good looking. They all oppose abortion, most of them even more than Dr. Paul, so that's not either.

 

[chipvogel]

from limited discussions with my daughters and my wife

2 things
abortion and universal health care

Universal health care is a bigger issue to women because they go to the doctor more often. I've been to the doctor twice in my life so...no its not a big issue to me. Its a fact of life that women need to go to the doctor more often than men. Its a tough sell to women to say that the cost of medical care is tied to the devaluation of the dollar. I'm covered through work but never use it and there is no way I could afford family coverage because its more than a house payment. I'm all for HSA and wish Paul would do more to promote HSA's. I really do believe that encouraging the free market in health care would do more good than universal heath care.

Abortion is another biggie; My wife likes Paul and doesn't wouldn't want to be a one issue voter. Not that abortion isn't a big deal, its a deal breaker for a lot of people. I've done my part to convince them that Paul is right that is should decided at the state level...but I don't live too far from other states that I know would never outlaw abortions so I'm being a bit hypocritical.

 

[VoluntaryMan]

Oh, and the most important point out of all of this: Even if women were decidedly more liberal than men, that still would have NOTHING to do with why Ron Paul is not attracting the female vote. Huckabee, Rudy, McCain, and Hunter get plenty of female votes and I don't think it's because they're so good looking.

Are you saying that those 3 stooges are NOT more "liberal" (i.e., socialistic) than Paul?

 

[Eponym_mi]

My sense is that a lot of women like security (physical and economic) and have a belief that big gov't will/should provide for it

 

[VoluntaryMan]

These threads always incites men to trot out the most ridiculous explanations. To save us the time and trouble, I'll sum up.

And they have a great sense of humor.

 

[mikeh2002]

You're right about Dworkin not representing the entire feminist movement, I usually refer women I know to ifemisists.com.
Hillary likes socialism becuase she likes control. Socialism gains control through the family, it's breakup, or it's dependence on the government through social programs, welfare money, etc. Broken families allow government intervention much more than unbroken ones. Or at least give the government an excuse for the intervention. Hillary is not very family friendly.
For that matter none of the other Republican candidates are likely to be all that family friendly as a policy. I don't think any of the others would be willing to halt Title IV D funding for instance, too much money for states, judge friends, and lawyer friends to make. But that point would not be a good sell in trying to gain the women's vote (at least from divorced women).

 

[Hope]

Are you saying that those 3 stooges are NOT more "liberal" (i.e., socialistic) than Paul?

Their platforms (at least in name) are not all that different from Ron Paul's when it comes to big gov't. They all say they want to reduce the size of gov't (except for the military), they all say they want to cut taxes and they all say they want to end the entitlement system. They have been pointedly less specific than Paul in what they plan to cut (but at least a few have talked about perhaps getting rid of the IRS) but they are very much successfully selling themselves on not being socialist.

In any case, I think it'd be a pretty big jump to say that there was a causation factor there.

 

[VoluntaryMan]

Their platforms (at least in name) are not all that different from Ron Paul's when it comes to big gov't. They all say they want to reduce the size of gov't (except for the military), they all say they want to cut taxes and they all say they want to end the entitlement system. They have been pointedly less specific than Paul in what they plan to cut (but at least a few have talked about perhaps getting rid of the IRS) but they are very much successfully selling themselves on not being socialist.

In any case, I think it'd be a pretty big jump to say that there was a causation factor there.

Hope,

I was one of those ignorant pigs who said that women (most women, not enlightened RP supporters) voted for men based on how they made them feel, not based on their actual policy positions, but on their perceptions of them. So, don't start talking issues with me.

Seriously, though, the ones who pay attention only to image probably fall closely in line with the descriptions I gave earlier. The ones who pay attention to policy gravitate toward the more socialistic, as do the men, apparently, just not to the same extent. And, yes, the 3 stooges are HUGELY more socialistic than Paul. Are you just suggesting that most women are unlikely to notice, because they don't pay as much attention to policy differences?

 

[autobot]

These threads always incites men to trot out the most ridiculous explanations. To save us the time and trouble, I'll sum up.

Women are intellectually inferior to men. This means they're all liberal, they all have abortions on the weekends, and they all will swallow (harharhar) whatever rhetoric the best lookin' hunk on the stage has to offer. They are intensely greedy and have "daddy issues" that make them want socialism. Their vote can only be secured by showing them pictures of babies. Further, the only women we should care about are the ones that RP supporters would like to bone -- and telling them such should be seen as a compliment. In the end, though, they probably won't want to have sex with you because you're just too smart for them and they are thus useless to the campaign and should be ignored, due to their inherently fickle natures that for no apparent reason seem to drive them away from groups of RP supporters almost as soon as they step in the door.

Oh, and I'm being sarcastic. I must make that note because otherwise you really couldn't be sure whether this post was made in jest due to the nature of previous posts like it. Awesome.

QFT

But you forgot the animalistic/violent and debased sexual content that gets thrown in all over the site just for fun. Creative Rape Comment! Hahahah. Funny, see? Good way to make a point. Oh, and I by the way. women who don't like it are FemiNazis!!!!!!!!! whatever that means. I think it means females who disagree with a man. They are dumb.

 

[Richandler]

Most women are bad at math, people who are bad at math can't see the fallacies of socialism. Therefore most women are generally socialist democrats.

 

[Thrice]

What Hope said.

 

[Hope]

Hope,

I was one of those ignorant pigs who said that women (most women, not enlightened RP supporters) voted for men based on how they made them feel, not based on their actual policy positions, but on their perceptions of them. So, don't start talking issues with me.

Seriously, though, the ones who pay attention only to image probably fall closely in line with the descriptions I gave earlier. The ones who pay attention to policy gravitate toward the more socialistic, as do the men, apparently, just not to the same extent. And, yes, the 3 stooges are HUGELY more socialistic than Paul. Are you just suggesting that most women are unlikely to notice, because they don't pay as much attention to policy differences?

I didn't start talking issues with you, you started talking issues with me. Maybe your post has that undertone of tough talk because you know you can't back what you've said up? I don't know.

Is someone who votes for Hillary or Obama hugely capitalistic and not a socialist simply because they didn't vote for Kucinich? Of course not. Yes, Ron Paul is less socialist than the other candidates -- but by your logic, then I might as well make generalizations about every demographic that's not in the RP camp, which is silly. Most conservatives are not voting for Ron Paul for these reasons (men and women alike):

1. They don't know about RP because he hasn't been in the news and no one's told them about him. (This is the largest group.)

2. They agree with most of his platform but truly believe the security of our nation is at stake and they believe a withdrawal would mean we'd be attacked again like on 9/11.

3. They support RP and think he's a good guy, but they don't think he can win. They want to vote for a winner and not feel like their vote was wasted.

It's a cop out to say, "Well, women are just X and it's their fault for not voting for RP and blah blah blah." Instead of piling stereotypes on the fire, try being productive and objective. We can either come to terms with the way women are being treated by RP supporters and change that in the hopes of gaining more support from female voters, or not. I guess it depends on how much we really want the presidency, unless you somehow think RP can get it without the female vote.

 

[quantized]

I see that Ron Paul needs a spokewomens like Carol Paul or any from his family. It is more of him underselling himself then anything else..

 

[JaylieWoW]

I'm pretty sure girls that play World of Warcraft aren't the average gal.

EQ 6 years, WoW going on 2 years.

I am an avid video gamer, 38 years old, married with children. As part of our pre-marriage agreement, my husband-to-be had to promise to play MMOs with me for the rest of our lives.

In high school I was voted Most Athletic my senior year. I played softball (.461 batting average), basketball, volleyball and was on the dive team one year (didn't get anywhere cause we really didn't have a coach). My best friend in high school was a guy. I usually hung out with guys because I thought most girls were pretty stupid and shallow.

I've always had a strong streak of liberty running through my veins. And though most people who say, "that's not fair" do so from a victim standpoint, I mean it from a more "revolutionary" stand point.

So, I guess you probably could say that I would fit into the "not your average gal" category as far as wow gamers go.

However, I contend also that aside from some of the reasons above, modern "feminism" has much more to do with it than anything else. Supposedly "independent" and "empowered" women have grown more and more dependent on the government to pass rules to make things "more fair" for them. I think things should be fair for everyone. We don't need idiotic and wasteful legislation like VAWA since violence IS a crime in this country whether it happens at the hands of a stranger or whether is happens at the hands of a spouse. Besides, I see plenty enough of abusive women (against partners who are still chivalrous enough to refuse to ever strike a woman) who keep getting away with murder. (PMS my ass!)

I'm reaching out to many friends and I think I've beginning to change some attitudes as well. The problem is that many times (myself included) it is hard to think past our hearts and allow our heads to take over some. I have a daughter as well so even at the early age of 6 years old, I've started planting some seeds I'm certain will take hold.

I'll have to finish out this post later. I have some thoughts on how we could entice other women to our cause.

 

[tamor]

I am a female young baby-boomer. Your ideas are valid, but I have a couple more. I believe Dr. Paul must stress that he has transition plans for all the things he hopes to accomplish. Women look for security and strength for themselves and their children. I know, Dr. Paul rarely seems to have enough time to explain his details, but if he could reassure the women that things will not happen "Now". Some may take a few steps, some may take many with involvement of the Congress . Also, there are not many words that scare mothers as much as the word "Draft". If Dr. Paul could just throw that word out there in his discussion, i.e. "... I do not know how you are going to pay for all these wars and find the soldiers for them -- I hope you are not thinking about a draft...." That plants the seed. It is great to see creative people coming together for a common cause.

 

[Matt Collins]

YouTube - Where Are the Female Libertarians? Allison Gibbs on the Ladies of Liberty Alliance

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[MelissaWV]

Same as the other thread... thanks for resurrecting this idiocy.

 

[Matt Collins]

Same as the other thread... thanks for resurrecting this idiocy.

I was simply adding a topical and informative video to the thread. Have you watched the video?