Why was Bastiat's The Law banned?

[RickyJ]

I don't believe you.

I believe her because I have seen nothing but honesty from this woman. Josh is lucky to have her as a moderator of Ron Paul forums.

 

[Confederate]

There should be a free market in mods. You sign a contract (or just tick a box) and decide which mods will moderate your posts and can issue infractions/bans against you.

 

[PatriotOne]

As a general rule, mods don't mess with other mods' bans.

Normally I would agree but we seem to have a "situation" here that needs to be addressed before this forum is allowed to become a intellectual and political activism wasteland.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Wow...I kinda wish there had been this much furor when I was (temp)banned.

 

[green73]

I am a patriot -- what beef you got with me sir?

My only beef is that you misspelled your name.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Wow...I kinda wish there had been this much furor when I was (temp)banned.

This is news to me. I propose someone bans HB so we can start a thread as to why.

 

[driller80545]

I wanna be banned. Rand kisses up to hard line republicans for power and influence. There, that ought to do it.

 

[RickyJ]

I wanna be banned. Rand kisses up to hard line republicans for power and influence. There, that ought to do it.

I don't think that will do it. Cuss out a member and then that will probably do it.

 

[presence]

I disagree. The only thing the rep system has done for me is show that no one loves me.

That's because its not a particularly well designed rep system intended for automated moderation: Rev9 getting permabanned for T&C violations with a full rep bar is testament. If the board was ever actually interested in implementing such a system, have a mod PM me and we'll discuss. I have some background in emergent systems management. It certainly can be done, without much coding, data, or processing; would be quite effective, and would drastically reduce the labor of moderation. Not to mention, a simple yet robust "draconian moderator free" AI moderation system would be good liberty PR; a "novelty" draw to the site and movement.

Simplified, non robust, yet effective moderation:

Right now we collect +1 -1 data on each post and you can only vote once. The collective total is displayed as a "rep bar" and no data is shown (on the board) about rep given to each specific post.

Imagine the possibilities if you collect Likert data (+2 +1 0 -1 -2) for each post on just three scales (for example):

T&C voilations
Pro liberty
Well worded

Every post begins with a 0 rating on all three categories. Current rating (MEAN not total) of each post is graphically displayed below the post count, below a scroll bar Likert rating system which allows users to change their mind. Below the likert scroll bars, graph the mean likert rating for each category (post rep), and below that gaph, is a cumulative collective mean rep graph for the member (member rep).

You can implement thresholds for members verses non members viewing abilities, as well as banning thresholds. You could even produce reports for moderators of posts that are not beneath threshold but close. Further, the sytem could be the one who grants moderator privilidge. The system becomes more robust with additional polling categories as well as mathematical incentives for voting, posting, new threads etc.

<----the short and skinny, inquire within.

presence

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Wow, I'm good.

Hate to break this to you, but SA claimed the ban earlier in the thread. So had you read the thread, you would not have needed to make the prediction. Glad you were right, because being wrong at that point would have been goofy.

apparently trying to drive off those who aren't 100% behind Rand

I'm not sure I'm 100% behind anyone.

LE, you are not objective in this yourself. This isn't just about saying something against Ron, this is about provoking a sequence of long time Ron Paul supporters who may not be as keen as Bastiat and PatriotOne on Rand, until they act in ways they were banned. That is the main issue. Slighting Ron in Ron's forum is merely one way to provoke people.

So Bastiat was banned for for tricking people into bannable behavior? Call me crazy, but it sounds like people who behave in bannable behavior should be responsible for their OWN actions.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I wanna be banned. Rand kisses up to hard line republicans for power and influence. There, that ought to do it.

Nah, saying that just gets you protected by one Mod.

 

[specsaregood]

So Bastiat was banned for for tricking people into bannable behavior? Call me crazy, but it sounds like people who behave in bannable behavior should be responsible for their OWN actions.

Yeah and evidently just saying that Rand is better than Ron at something is an "insult" to Ron. lol. The day somebody tells me that my kid is better at something than I am will be a proud day.

 

[phill4paul]

BTL should have been given a break back on this thread...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-in-Ron-Paul-Grassroots&p=4691839#post4691839

But he continued...Even posting in another.

Sorry, but you're probably closer to Kokesh than Ron. Ron made a career in politics and belonging to a major party. I want to see practical political change in this country within my lifetime, I'm not interested in having philosophical debates at the local Olive Garden. For far too long libertarians and others have lived in the clouds daydreaming about pie-in-the-sky stuff. My job is to take the vitals signs of everyone and direct the useful alive people into something productive and allow the dreamers and driftwood to drift away.

Rev9 expressed that he had a job to do also.

For that he got a perma ban. So I think BTL should take the words of Casey Jones to heart...

No it is not your job, bye

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

BTL should have been given a break back on this thread...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-in-Ron-Paul-Grassroots&p=4691839#post4691839

But he continued...Even posting in another.

My job is to take the vitals signs of everyone and direct the useful alive people into something productive and allow the dreamers and driftwood to drift away.

Lots of people think they have "jobs" that they don't. I mean... really... I think most of us know Bastiat won't be "directing" us anywhere. These sorts of things aren't really that offensive. If people can't handle a little verbal or ideological sparring, maybe forums aren't their thing. I hear pinterest is picking up.

It seems banning is a little harsh for differing opinions or perspectives. We could all be banned for that.

 

[Origanalist]

Lots of people think they have "jobs" that they don't. I mean... really... I think most of us know Bastiat won't be "directing" us anywhere. These sorts of things aren't really that offensive. If people can't handle a little verbal or ideological sparring, maybe forums aren't their thing. I hear pinterest is picking up.

It seems banning is a little harsh for differing opinions or perspectives. We could all be banned for that.

I agree, the drama seems to get a bit thick around here, but this purge business seems to be a bit much.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Right now we collect +1 -1 data on each post and you can only vote once.

Actually, the range is a little wider than that. Some posters (those with high rep themselves) have more "rep power." That is, posts that are repped by them receive more than just one point of rep.

If any of the high-rep posters like AF, SA or LE +reps you, you'll get 3 rep points.

There are also "mid-rep" posters (like acptulsa & HB34 - unless they've moved up to the high-rep level since I noticed this phenomenon) who endow 2 rep points when they +rep you.

I don't know if it works in the negative direction or not. And I don't know what the level breaks are between normal-, middle- & high-rep posters.

The FAQ entry isn't very illuminating: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/faq.php?faq=vb3_user_profile#faq_vb3_reputation

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Actually, the range is a little wider than that. Some posters (those with high rep themselves) have more "rep power." That is, posts that are repped by them receive more than just one point of rep.

If any of the high-rep posters like AF, SA or LE +reps you, you'll get 3 rep points.

There are also "mid-rep" posters (like acptulsa & HB34 - unless they've moved up to the high-rep level since I noticed this phenomenon) who endow 2 rep points when they +rep you.

I don't know if it works in the negative direction or not. And I don't know what the level breaks are between normal-, middle- & high-rep posters.

You'd have to be careful using that as a ban system, because some people would start neg repping opinions they disagree with instead addressing them in public. Eventually, the forum would turn into one homogenous opinion. No one would even need to post. I think it does make sense to have "contribution" somewhere in the equation, especially for a permaban, but I'd hope mods take that into account. I can see some ways using a rep system to get rid of people could lead to unintended consequences.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

You'd have to be careful using that as a ban system, because some people would start neg repping opinions they disagree with instead addressing them in public. Eventually, the forum would turn into one homogenous opinion. No one would even need to post. I think it does make sense to have "contribution" somewhere in the equation, especially for a permaban, but I'd hope mods take that into account. I can see some ways using a rep system to get rid of people could lead to unintended consequences.

Already happens all the time. Reputation has never been a good indication of the quality of posts people submit, because from the very start we've had users create alternate accounts to inflate their rep (and at the same time, inflate their rep power to take away more rep from those they disagree with).

Additionally, posters tend to believe reputation comments are hidden and between just the commenter and the persons' profile their commenting on - they're not - and if you are insulting/harassing/ad-hominem'ing people there you are still subject to the forum guidelines. There have been some truly nasty reputation messages left for users...

I see rep as nothing more than a high school popularity contest.

 

[Origanalist]

Already happens all the time. Reputation has never been a good indication of the quality of posts people submit, because from the very start we've had users create alternate accounts to inflate their rep (and at the same time, inflate their rep power to take away more rep from those they disagree with).

Some people's kids........

 

[man is truth]

this forum is pretty lame; the "private property" argument, that we are all peasants who must avoid the arbitrary regulations of invisible ownership, is utterly ludicrous- the forums are called the Ron Paul forums- they belong to the ever-changing and growing Ron Paul meme. If the moderators want to invoke property rights as the basis for their behavior, the forums should be called, "Ron Paul Forum Moderators' Forum."