Why this Christian supports Paul over Huckabee

thanks for the analytical reply! the thousand year figure is a metaphoric
statement about time passing. a celestial day can seem like a thousand
years, and a thousand years can seem like a terran day. i can see where
a creationist has the temptation to do what bishop ussher did. tally up
in a biblical manner logically the begats, and then add the previous and
prior six days into the seventh. 4004 B.C plus 6 or 7 thousand years gives
one a ten thousand year timeframe. this is a leaping to conclusions!
 
12 or 13 thousand years is not science's
12 or 13 billion years in terms of our textbooks!
 
i prefer the idea that our universe is closer to being a steady state and that if there is
a wise creator being, we could be of a universe that is easily several trillion years of age.
 
I am proud to say the the cars in the parking lot of my church are bearing Ron Paul bumper stickers.
 
Cal Mabus said:
Not quite sure where you are trying to go with your whole statement here, but you quote...
with its LONG DAYS where a biblical day is thought to be equal to a thousand human/earth years!
If you are interpreting that particular verse for proof that God is confused or unable to give a correct interpretation of how long a biblical day is in order to support an evolution argument, you would do as so many do as in the modern day church, being unschooled in proper biblical interpretation. No man is able to do so. But God is able to do so and He does so in His own words so as not to be deveived. Please review the entire context.

2 Peter 3:7-9 (New King James Version)

7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[a] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

So the correct understanding here is that God is patient with sinners in that he has not cast them all into hell yet, but there comes a day when the unrepentant shall perish and that time is of no importance to Him as he already inhabits all past, present and future, in other words all eternity.

This text has nothing to do with the days of creation or length of time in creation.

However, here are the verses that prove why Dr. Paul does not have to re-write the history books, it is already written.

Genesis 1:20-30 (New King James Version) 20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
 Evening and morning are the key words here. If evolution means that the days were untold periods of time, then time is getting shorter, thus, I don't know how old you are, but for centuries time has not changed. Wouldn't you think you would be hearing of how time in an actual day now is like 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 deconds by now and not really 24 hours? If time has evolved over time then the days should be getting shorter not remaining the same.

Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, Can you imagine the days of Moses man working for thousands of 24 hour periods to equal one day?

These are just a couple of scripture proofs to debunk the mis-interpretation of the great philosophers or theorists.

PS. Huckabee stating he is a creationist alone does not make him a God fearing leader for a country. Plus, if Huckabee was a creationist, then he could and would uphold the biblical account of scripture teaching as a day as a 24 hour period, which he will not nor can not because He does not know the God of scripture. If He did He would proclaim the true biblical position with boldness, yet he skirts the question as not to pretend to know the mind and work of God, be it 24 hours or over time expanse. Now why would he say this? Because he just does not know, yet it is revealed very plainly in scripture, thus He is not known by God, unless the Lord by His spirit reveals the truth to him through scripture alone and not leave Huckabee to his own opinion on this matter.

But then the scripture also teaches 1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. So I doubt you can or will except these truths, unless you have been born again of the Spirit. John 3:6-8 (New King James Version) 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
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Here is my take on that passage.

[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Read the versus immediately proceeding the ones you posted... they have to do with creation. I'm a biology nut, and for scientific reasons I believe that the Earth is only 6-10 thousand years old. However, the more I go along, the more I realize I don't know anything.

The biggest thing that I get out of this passage, is: "by the word of God the heavens were of old." this is telling me that God created the heavens (Earth, Moon, Sun, stars, basically everything in the first 2 chapters of Genesis) as OLD. In other words, when God created Adam, Adam wasn't 1 second old or 1 minute old. Adam was probably a full grow man. So even though Adam was only in existence for 30 seconds, he was 40-years-old, not 30 seconds old. The 70ft tree he created in Genesis chapter 1 wasn't 30 seconds old, either. It was hundreds of years old. Yes, it only took up space in existence for 30 seconds, but it was created as a 200-year-old tree.

Same thing with our universe. I don't doubt that the Sun could be "millions of years old." However, I believe that it's only been in existence for 6-10 thousand years. When Adam was walking around during his 3rd day of existence, there weren't a bunch of 3-day-old puppies, kittens, baby deer, and baby elephants running around. No, there were animals all over the place that had only existed for 3 days, but were fully grown adults that resembled 10, 20, and 30-year-old animals. Just like the Bible says, he created the heavens of old.
 
Hi I'm Nathan and I'm new to this forum. I have found this thread very interesting. I too am a Christian who supports Ron Paul. I have followed Dr. Paul for quite a few years now and every time I here the man speak I learn something new. You can't say that about many in Washington DC. I think it's worth noting that his faith is what Dr. Paul talks little about. Yet he has the principled integrity of a strong leader. He has produced one the strongest pro-life amendments in recent years with his Human Life Amendment. Even though he speaks relatively little about his Christian faith in public I think all here would agree that he has a record to prove he is a man of principle.
Keep up the good work!
Nathan
 
I'm proud of Ron Paul for NEVER using his faith to sell his candidacy. Jesus was furious at religious hypocrites selling wares in the temple area, and so should Christians when Huckabee try to use his religion to sell himself.

I have, at times during the presidential debates, wanted Ron Paul to talk more about his religion, his total commitment to his wife for 51+ years, but I'm glad he never does. It takes more strength, and more religious conviction to NOT use religion as a selling point. Yes, he would receive 10 times more votes from Christians if Ron Paul talked about his faith more, but the fact that he does not, doesn't "sell in the temple", shows a true Christian man...

Jesus is proud of you Ron Paul!
 
Anthony,
This is something I have not thought of. I think I agree with your points. It's not a man's words it's his actions which matter when voting for a President, a Congressman, a Senator, or any other public servant. As I said last night in my post, people should look at the fact that Ron Paul has produced one of the strongest pro-life amendments in recent years in his Sanctity of Life Amendment.
Nathan G.
 
Definitely, as I'm (Proservative) in full support of the Sanctity of Life Amendment. However, the key in successful pro-life, equal right to every citizen INCLUDING THE UNBORN, is local legislation, execution, and judges that will start trying abortion cases for what they are...murder. Technically, murder cases are trying by a jury, and thus not necessarily subject to all of these bills being passed. Kicking this back to the state/local level, we need to start trying abortion cases as murder, racking up convictions, restoring the freedoms to ALL Americans.

On a side note regarding pro Christian/Catholic candidates, if Huckabee were truly running as the "Christian champion", if he is pro-life for the argument of saving lives, should he also not be AGAINST capital punishment, which, according to the Bible, is murder and thus breaking the Commandments?

In 1997, Huckabee claimed that Jesus would have agreed with him on supporting the death penalty. This is technically blasphemy for all those Bible technicality people out there. Jesus would never support murder IN ANY FORM. And having someone, anyone sentenced to death is pre-meditated, and thus murder.

In many versions of the Bible, the commandment "Thou shall not kill" is translated to "Thou shall not MURDER", leaving open the possibility of having to kill someone in self defense. Murder, on the other hand, is considered in the Bible ALWAYS a sin, including capital, pre-meditated, execution.
 
Ron Paul is a Presbyterian. I am also a Presbyterian. I can speak for most Presbyterians in that we have never been a group that tries to proselytize. We believe our actions are what inspires people to become Christians.

Presbyterians believe that God speaks to the individual as well as the group. Presbyterians are a conservative group and I believe they have very powerful voting clout. A large percentage of Presbyterians are conservative Republicans. To me Dr. Paul shows his moral and Christian values in all of his affairs. We as Christians need to be able to see who lives the life and judge righteous judgment.

War goes against what I believe in. I believe my faith tells me this war is wrong and that the only honorable thing to do is to get out of it as soon as possible so we can stop killing the Iraq babies and citizens.
 
You may have a valid point...partially

Benaiah said:
Here is my take on that passage.

[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Read the versus immediately proceeding the ones you posted... they have to do with creation. I'm a biology nut, and for scientific reasons I believe that the Earth is only 6-10 thousand years old. However, the more I go along, the more I realize I don't know anything.

The biggest thing that I get out of this passage, is: "by the word of God the heavens were of old." this is telling me that God created the heavens (Earth, Moon, Sun, stars, basically everything in the first 2 chapters of Genesis) as OLD. In other words, when God created Adam, Adam wasn't 1 second old or 1 minute old. Adam was probably a full grow man. So even though Adam was only in existence for 30 seconds, he was 40-years-old, not 30 seconds old. The 70ft tree he created in Genesis chapter 1 wasn't 30 seconds old, either. It was hundreds of years old. Yes, it only took up space in existence for 30 seconds, but it was created as a 200-year-old tree.

Same thing with our universe. I don't doubt that the Sun could be "millions of years old." However, I believe that it's only been in existence for 6-10 thousand years. When Adam was walking around during his 3rd day of existence, there weren't a bunch of 3-day-old puppies, kittens, baby deer, and baby elephants running around. No, there were animals all over the place that had only existed for 3 days, but were fully grown adults that resembled 10, 20, and 30-year-old animals. Just like the Bible says, he created the heavens of old.
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Benaiah, I would agree with the statement, the more I go along looking into the deeper things of God, I too realize I know nothing as I ought. I can also see your point of all things created were of the age they were created to be at that time as you illustrated. If you have any study links on your take here, please post it or PM me with it.

However might I make a couple of observations you may want to consider as well, considering the verses you included.

Verse 4, "all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation" This is only a mention of things continuing from the days of creation, not speaking of the creation itself.

Verse 5, "that by the word of God the heavens were of old" At Geneses 1 you will see the Sun was the first light, "let there be light". Also stating the separation of the light from the darkness as representing day and night. Then the earth was formed out of the chaos of the deep . Then the lights or stars and planets were created. The heavens were basically separated from the new creation by firmament on the 2nd day. This states the heavens were of old, but we know the earth only stood in and out of the water at the flood.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

Verse 6, Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: Here is talking about the flood, not the beginning of creation, but a period some 2000 years after creation. Here we have a progression to the present heavens and earth, as they are now, showing that all things continue as from the creation.

Since God exists in all eternity past present and future, in past eternity before creation, you can certainly say all things existed in the mind of God in His eternal plan, thus all things were established/created exactly as he envisioned them to exist from the 1st day of creation till the end of the world as we know it, even all those whom will be saved and those whom will perish has been determined from the foundation of the world (Eph1), So much for mans free will. After all He did have all eternity to establish His perfect plan from beginning to end as revealed to us in these verses.

Hebrews 3:4 (New King James Version)
4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God.

Luke 14:27-29 (New King James Version)
28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it— 29 lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, (And we know God will not be mocked and made sure all He has determined will come to pass, lest He be not much of a God)

Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
 
Some of the reasons why I support Ron Paul is that I believe the prophesies that are written in the bible and I really believe that we may be living in the end times. OK, maybe and maybe not BUT we do have a responsibility to do the right thing whether Jesus will return next week or a thousand years from now. That said, the bible tells us that in the last days a one world government will form along with a global cashless financial system. So today we have before us the United Nations and the World Bank. I looked into the origins of the UN and found that it was deliberatly set up specifically to some day become a one world government and that the World Bank was set up to become the central bank of the entire world.

One day I realized that even though these things must take place and they are mentioned in my bible, they are not God's plan. Yes, He will make all things work out in the end but no way would HE want sinful mankind to run this world. How do I know? He destroyed the Tower of Babal. How else do I know? Because when Jesus comes back He too destroyes the one world government.
I also understand that the antichrist who emerges to rule over the entire world through this one world government will embark upon a massive persecution of Saints, hence the end times Saints. The mayrters who are before the throne in great numbers. The persecution will be like none in all of human history.
Yes it will happen but I can't believe that God would want His children to be slaughtered like that. He blesses us when it happens. We're honored and rewarded but its still the result of a fallen world and not as He intended it to be.

There are other prophecies surrounding the end times. Since lawlessness will increase, most people's love will grow cold. We shouldn't support that any more than we do the one world government.

The emergence of the one world government is Satan's plan for the world, not God's. It is his false christ who will run the world, not our Christ.

If we are to be salt and light, then we MUST oppose evil, including the one world government. ONLY Ron Paul has authored Bills to get us out fo the UN and World Bank, the IMF and WTO. (IMF is to the rest of the world what the Fed is here and the WTO is their lending arm).

If anyone should respect the rule of law, it should be Christians. There isn't a single person running for president who really respects our Constitution the way Ron Paul does. The bible says, let your yes be yes and your no be no. So when you take an oath to uphold the Constitution as a Christian, you better uphold it and Ron Paul has. Huckabee hasn't. Not even close.

One fo the major hangups a lot of Christians have relative to supporting Ron Paul is his position on Israel. Many modern Christians think by subsidizing Israel or promising to go to war on their behalf reminds tham of the verse in Jerimiah where it says, those who curse you will be cursed and those who bless you will be blessed. They equate that with going to war and killing people in Iraq qho have never attacked us or threatened us and without a declaration of war.

These people loathe Ron Paul because he says that he would cut off subsidies to Israel. For some weird reason they don't hear the second part. That he will also cut off aid to Israel's enemies to the tune of three times the amount we give to Israel.

I have discussed these things with many Christians who think that if the USA didn't support Israel they would be obliterated by their enemies.
Do you know what I tell them? That NOWHERE in the bible does it EVER mention that Israel will be destroyed after their restoration.
That Muslims think some earthly nation can destroy Israel too. That God is her protector and not the USA. That even when ALL countries come up against Israel in the last war that Israel will wipe the floor with them. God doesn't need the USA to protect the apple of His eye.

Then, there is Ron Paul's position on drugs. That's a whoe educational process that I usually wind up convincing many of them because I KNOW the issue very well and make a very good argument.

But just to hint on it for now. God made Marijuana and ALL the plants that most drugs are derrived from. There was only one plant in the Garden that God said we couldn't touch or eat from its fruit and it wasn't marijuana or magic mushrooms or cocoa or poppy. God made those things and being ALL knowing, ALL seeing, ALL wise HE KNEW the effects those plants would have on humans if we ingested them and HE made our bodies so that they would be effected by those plants and guess what? He made them anyway.
But God doesn't want us to be "dissipated" right? Well He also gave us free will and a conscience and the Holy Spirit living in us to inform us about right and wrong. The government is not supposed to take the palce of our own conscience by passing laws that limit our free will and become authoritarian over our conscience or the Spirit. God said in Genesis that He made all the plants and that they were good and for our use. When man passes laws that forbid us to touch or use those plants what they are saying is that God made a mistake and they know better. I reject that. Laws are supposed to protect us from the harm that someone else does to us, not harm that we might do to ourselves. Crimes are harm that one does to another or his property. Vices are harm that one does to himself or his own property. Will the govenrment think it can protect us from alll stupid choices or throw us in jail when we're stupid?

War. Ron Paul is a strong adherent to the Christian Just War Principles. Huckabee said he wouldn't take a preemptive NUCLEAR strike of the table with regard to Iran. Jesus wouldn't want the USA to nuke a country with 80 million people in it even if we only killed as many as were killed on 911 and not all 80 million. But if we did nuke them I'm sure more than 3,000 people would get killed.

Would Jesus be a war hawk if He was here? Would HE want us to go into somebody else's country and killl people half way around the world? No, and in fact, I think He would consider it murder if we did that and when we approcah the Throne we won't be able to say that our government told me to kill them and expect to be justified.

Christians need to wake up big time and its up to us to wake them up.

I hope you will join us over at Christians for Ron Paul
and join me at Prophecy News Watch in the general discussion (along with others of course)

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I would also like to organize the lergest contingent possible of Christians for Ron Paul all to be together to make it look like there are lots of us at the rally.
 
Captain Shays said:
One day I realized that even though these things must take place and they are mentioned in my bible, they are not God's plan. Yes, He will make all things work out in the end but no way would HE want sinful mankind to run this world. How do I know? He destroyed the Tower of Babal. How else do I know? Because when Jesus comes back He too destroyes the one world government.
I also understand that the antichrist who emerges to rule over the entire world through this one world government will embark upon a massive persecution of Saints, hence the end times Saints. The mayrters who are before the throne in great numbers. The persecution will be like none in all of human history.
Yes it will happen but I can't believe that God would want His children to be slaughtered like that. He blesses us when it happens. We're honored and rewarded but its still the result of a fallen world and not as He intended it to be.
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So let me get this straight. Before Jesus comes back to get all of his children and bring them back with him to heaven where they will live an eternity of bliss beside their creator some really bad stuff is gonna go down here on Earth, and your position is that Christians here on Earth should do everything in their power to prevent it from happening?
 
zbus.....

I saw your post. I just thought that I would add I am a Reformed Presbyterian too. Our church parking lot looks like a Ron Paul rally..... Many of us from our church became delegates this past Saturday.

As a side note, my husband is the pastor of an RPCUS church. You mentioned Joe Morecraft, so I thought that I would throw that in....
 
ErikBlack said:
So let me get this straight. Before Jesus comes back to get all of his children and bring them back with him to heaven where they will live an eternity of bliss beside their creator some really bad stuff is gonna go down here on Earth, and your position is that Christians here on Earth should do everything in their power to prevent it from happening?
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We should do everything we can to oppose it because its evil. Christians should always oppose evil and we do whether we actively oppose it or passively oppose it simply by virtue of our pressense here or more specifically the pressense of the Spirit within us.

What I am saying is that the prophecy of the formation of a one world government and global cashless financial system may be a prophecy and may be written in the bible, and God may bring about wonderful things at the end of all the conflicts and horrors that are to come but He doesn't bring about the evil to come. He allows it and then responds to it. "There will be wars and rumors of wars". A prophecy but not brought on by God. "Lawlessness will increase". A prophecy but not brought on by God. Just like we are to resist lawlessness and continue to do right, we are not to ake part in the formation of a one world government. In this case, by voting for members of the CFR or supporting Bills that support the plans of the CFR/globalists. I should also ad that no Christian should support any war unless its in self defense even thought he prophecy says that there will be wars and rumors of wars.
 
I agree and I believe that Christians who know the truth and still participate in helping along the one world government will be judged more harshly than people who don't have a clue whats going on.
 
Dispensationalism..... has done a lot to destroy the church. It is a relatively new doctrine and would have been virtually unrecognized by the early church fathers. It has caused uninformed Christians to carry on an unbiblical love affair with Israel, that has even creeped into government at times and influenced foreign policy. (No, I am not a hater of Jewish people, but I do not believe that they are any more special than any other nationality.) God will save the elect Jews that he foreknew before the beginning of time. Anybody who tells you otherwise has bought the lie of Dispensationalism. There is no Scripture that teaches anyone will go to heaven, other than those who have bowed a knee to King Jesus. Sorry, no special allowances for the Jewish people.

Dispensationalism has allowed Christians to sit back in their prayer closet, strumming on their guitars while awaiting the "rapture." After all, why would we want to dirty our hands in politics....it is like polishing brass on a sinking ship, and our citizenship is in heaven???? Remember the Lord's Prayer:

"Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will be done, on EARTH, as it is in heaven."

This may be one reason you see more Reformed people supporting Ron Paul. Our understanding of Eschatology (among other things) is different.
 
Macon said:
Dispensationalism..... has done a lot to destroy the church. It is a relatively new doctrine and would have been virtually unrecognized by the early church fathers. It has caused uninformed Christians to carry on an unbiblical love affair with Israel, that has even creeped into government at times and influenced foreign policy. (No, I am not a hater of Jewish people, but I do not believe that they are any more special than any other nationality.) God will save the elect Jews that he foreknew before the beginning of time. Anybody who tells you otherwise has bought the lie of Dispensationalism. There is no Scripture that teaches anyone will go to heaven, other than those who have bowed a knee to King Jesus. Sorry, no special allowances for the Jewish people.

Dispensationalism has allowed Christians to sit back in their prayer closet, strumming on their guitars while awaiting the "rapture." After all, why would we want to dirty our hands in politics....it is like polishing brass on a sinking ship, and our citizenship is in heaven???? Remember the Lord's Prayer:

"Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will be done, on EARTH, as it is in heaven."

This may be one reason you see more Reformed people supporting Ron Paul. Our understanding of Eschatology (among other things) is different.
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I don't know anything about the Reformed Church but what you're written so far. So far, I agree with what you've written. I may look more deeply into it to increase my understanding.

I converted from Roman Catholicism to Independent Baptist when I was 16 and ti was the first time I ever read a bible. In the beginning I was taught all about the rapture, the tribulation, how to be saved ect. Of course, I was told that the rapture would come before the tribulation but it never made sense to me. They told me it was because God doesn't take His wrath out on His children. But when I read the bible, it was pretty clear that the persecution during the tribulation was directed toward Christians from the anti-christ and his enablers through government;the one world government. THEN Jesus comes back and wages war against the antichrist with the Saints with Him. THEN God opens the seals and pours His wrath out on thw fallen world, all who rejected Jesus and followed the antichrist and recieved the Mark of the Beast. It became more and more clear to me by reading my bible that there were a lot more verses telling us that we'll be persecuted than there were those telling us that we would be raptured first. No, its not God taking His wrath out on His children. Its Satan taking his wrath out on God's children and THEN God wipes out the world and creates a new one.

But then I started to get this tugging in ym heart telling me that the prophecies were given to us, not so that we can say, "see, I told you so" or just to prepares us spititually, but so that we can prepare physically. If we refuse to recieve the Mark, then we won't be able to buy or sell anything including food. So how will the Saints feed themselves? It won't be manna from Heaven and there are no verses to back that up. It will most likely be those Christians who believed the bible and the prophecies and PREPARED to feed those end times Saints.

We need to start preparing now because those days are nearly upon us if not now, then soon.
 
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