Why this Christian supports Paul over Huckabee

Howdy Captain Shays,

I was a Baptist at one time too and held to Dispensationalism. It is all that I ever heard from the pulpit. My husband and I started doing some digging in to the Reformed faith after hearing about it. Finally, the Bible actually made sense from cover to cover...no more trying to explain away all the "this generation shall not pass away before these things come to pass" verses.

If you are interested, you can find some great articles on eschatology at:

www.americanvision.org.

Also, do a search on Covenantal Theology. When I began to understand this, the Bible became so much clearer to me.
 
This kind of talk makes me nervous... frankly it makes a lot of folks nervous. Theologies for the most part have proved to be tyrannical. Here is a good example of Religion/Government not mixing well.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329605,00.html

What kind of talk?

He's just saying the reasons why he's supporting Paul over Huckabee as a Christian, since Huckabee has been portrayed as the "Christian leader."

I am not a big person on religion, I believe in God of the Bible and try to live my life according to that, but I do get a little irritated when someone of faith posts a thread regarding his support for Ron Paul and people who are not of faith come into the thread and post stuff that is anti-Christianity. I mean, you have your right, but hey, if you can't positively add to the thread, why post in a religious-type thread?
 
I agree with the OP. You know good Christians not because of what they SAY (Huckabee), but what they DO (Paul)

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I am a Christian and Ron Paul's message is a very principled message. His' message of disobeying authority when it goes against our liberty and his high respect for the rule of law, the constitution.

What's important is not whether he is a Christian because the constitution says this.......

" but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."-Article 1 Section 6.


Rather, what is important is whether he is a genuine Christian or not. Whether he truly shows Godly fruit. Many know from years of the oppressive "Christian right leaders," that they will use whatever it means to get the vote of bible believing Christians.

Matthew 7

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.




One issue I angry with much of the Christian right is about this ordeal of bringing theological matters into government. This is simply authoritarian. There are many things that the Christian right doesn't advocate in government that is not taught in the bible as a whole.

Another issue I am angry with much of the Christian right on is using the law in terms of civil government today. Yes, all scripture is under inspiration of God, but we must remember that the civil law was given to Israel before the time of the new covenant. That is not to say we aren't to apply these passages, but it is to say that they are done away with as Paul taught in Galatians 3.

Plus, we can't pick and choose which laws to fallow. James 2:10 says if you are guilty in the use of one of the laws, you are guilty of them off. Besides, I highly doubt Christians would fallow the Law when it says children who are disobedient to their parents and homosexuals should be stoned as the law says.



I am glad Ron Paul is under the more libertarian, traditional conservative wing of the Republican establishment. Fallowing the non interventionist policies of senator Robert Taft. Fallowing in personal and economic freedom principles of Barry Goldwater. As well as fallowing the ideal of Ronald Reagan that the federal government needs to be limited in power and fallowing the ideas of Reagan's diplomatic efforts in the Cold War. Most importantly, he is one of the view few strict constitionalists and "original intent" costitutionalists around.

Christians, let us not forget in Paul's missionary journey in Acts 16, that non believers tried to use the apostle Paul for their own dealings.
Acts 16

16Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. 17This girl followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved." 18She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, "In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!" At that moment the spirit left her.

Ron Paul said this in one of his personal writings on his site.
(these are taken on snippets of Ron Paul's articles under "religion on www.ronpaul2008/com
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"I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.

I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.” Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn.

I have also acted to protect the lives of Americans by my adherence to the doctrine of “just war.” This doctrine, as articulated by Augustine, suggested that war must only be waged as a last resort--- for a discernible moral and public good, with the right intentions, vetted through established legal authorities (a constitutionally required declaration of the Congress), and with a likely probability of success."



Here we see a honest man who doesn't talk about how he is going to be an authoritarian on the issue of religion. He doesn't say he will bring a federal mandate on religion or try to pass a constitutional amendment to bring religion to the public square. What we see is a a man who will continually fight for the right of all humans, to the rights of the unborn, to the rights of Christians and to the rights of all America. He also will fight against the immoral act of preemptive war.

He is simply for the inelliable rights of all human beings. Truly a libertarian!
 
Every election cycle, the Republican candidates try to come off as the most Christian, and the most conservative. We shouldn't vote for somebody because they say they are Christian or Conservative, or because they promise to do things that benefit Christians and Conservatives. Rather, we should vote for somebody who has already done things in the past that show he is Christian and Conservative. In other words, somebody who HAS walked the walk... not somebody who is talking the talk.


Mathew 7:15-20

[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Kudos from an agnostic. Six of my family members turned from HUCKSTERbee. When I showed them the clip where the Good Huckster tried to deflect blame to the American people for the war and then told Ron Paul that we should keep our honor by not letting the possibility of a landslide loss steer us from our present perilous course in Iraq and soon Iran. All to keep our "honor."

We see no honor in continuing a mistake that will cost uncountable lives and could escalate into something truly horrific. We see no honor in monetarily, spiritually, ethically and morally bankrupting our nation. We see no honor in killing civilians of nations that are no threat to us. We see nothing honorable about defying and outright disobeying our Constitution.

And they saw nothing Christlike about it. From an agnostic to a Christian, Christian means ChristLike.
 
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There was things asked about Chuck Baldwin..... No he isn't reformed. He is a Fundamentalist Baptist preacher.


Exactly, and Christ never advocated invading countries and killing innocent people who had nothing to do with harming this country for revenge.



Amen! He also went against religious people using religious law and hypocrisy against others.

Matt 23

For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.[c]

Luke 6
1One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. 2Some of the Pharisees asked, "Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"

3Jesus answered them, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." 5Then Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

6On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled. 7The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath. 8But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, "Get up and stand in front of everyone." So he got up and stood there.

9Then Jesus said to them, "I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?"

10He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He did so, and his hand was completely restored. 11But they were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus.
 
Furthermore

when surrounded by "non-believing nations" he didn't wage a holy war to convert them to Democracy...errr...Christianity. (Damn those slips are getting the best of me.)

He tought The Law to his own people and CLEANSED HIS OWN TEMPLE!

So count me in on the Revolution to cleanse our temple and teach our own about the Constitution. Children in our schools know every contraceptive and STD but don't even know what the fourth amendment is.
 
when surrounded by "non-believing nations" he didn't wage a holy war to convert them to Democracy...errr...Christianity. (Damn those slips are getting the best of me.)

He tought The Law to his own people and CLEANSED HIS OWN TEMPLE!

So count me in on the Revolution to cleanse our temple and teach our own about the Constitution. Children in our schools know every contraceptive and STD but don't even know what the fourth amendment is.


That is exactly right.
 
was it wise for mccain to recommend that obama gain a wisdom by traveling to the mideast and iraq?
 
I"m not sure what kind of talk is making you nervous.

Regarding your article: Do you really think a Ron Paul Republican would advocate a theocracy with religious police? Guess you don't know your candidate very well.

We are just like you in rejecting such a system.

We are simply witnessing that we love Christ and would like a leader that follows the principles of Christ, and that's not Mike Huckabee.

But it is Ron Paul.

I agree. Christianity as a moral guide, not as a legal code.
 
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