Why the H-1B Visa Racket Should Be Abolished, Not Reformed

Where do I disagree with Ron Paul?

Just what I said. The attitude of we have to keep this part of the disease for now because otherwise doom and gloom. Ron Paul is a believer in eradicating the disease in toto and suffering through a rough, but mercifully quick, recovery.

Q: Should we allow Italy to fail? Should we have a stake in what's going on in the eurozone right now?
PAUL: No, you have to let it liquidate. We've took 40 years to build up this worldwide debt. We're in a debt crisis never seen before in our history. The sovereign debt of this world is equal to the GDP, as ours is in this country. If you prop it up, you'll do exactly what we did in the depression, prolong the agony. If you do prop it up, you do what Japan has done for 20 years. So, yes, you want to liquidate the debt. The debt is unsustainable. And this bubble was predictable, because 40 years ago we had no restraints whatsoever on the monetary authorities, we had no restraints on the spending. And if you keep bailing people out and prop it up, you just prolong the agony, as we're doing in the housing bubble. We don't allow the market to determine what these mortgages are worth. If you don't liquidate this and clear the market, you're going to perpetuate this for a decade or two more.

That's an old quote, but I feel pretty certain that's still where he stands. Cut out the entire cancer at once. The pain is severe but the healing begins immediately.
 
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I don't see anywhere that you do.

Ron Paul argued that employers shouldn't be made responsible for enforcing immigration laws. Under his policies, employers would be able to hire as many foreigners as they want without even needing to confirm they had any visa at all.

I think there's 2 things going on here. One is the usual hatred of big corporations. Two is confusing immigration by invitation with unchecked mass immigration.
 
Just what I said. The attitude of we have to keep this part of the disease for now because otherwise doom and gloom. Ron Paul is a believer in eradicating the disease in toto and suffering through a rough, but mercifully quick, recovery.

Q: Should we allow Italy to fail? Should we have a stake in what's going on in the eurozone right now?
PAUL: No, you have to let it liquidate. We've took 40 years to build up this worldwide debt. We're in a debt crisis never seen before in our history. The sovereign debt of this world is equal to the GDP, as ours is in this country. If you prop it up, you'll do exactly what we did in the depression, prolong the agony. If you do prop it up, you do what Japan has done for 20 years. So, yes, you want to liquidate the debt. The debt is unsustainable. And this bubble was predictable, because 40 years ago we had no restraints whatsoever on the monetary authorities, we had no restraints on the spending. And if you keep bailing people out and prop it up, you just prolong the agony, as we're doing in the housing bubble. We don't allow the market to determine what these mortgages are worth. If you don't liquidate this and clear the market, you're going to perpetuate this for a decade or two more.

That's an old quote, but I feel pretty certain that's still where he stands. Cut out the entire cancer at once. The pain is severe but the healing begins immediately.

So would you be in favor of eliminating social security and medicare payments today?
 
I think there's 2 things going on here. One is the usual hatred of big corporations. Two is confusing immigration by invitation with unchecked mass immigration.

Big corporations are the only reason we ever heard of a fat German by the name of Klaus Schwab, so I think some of them have earned the enmity.

So would you be in favor of eliminating social security and medicare payments today?

Ron Paul still isn't, to the best of my knowledge. But since I don't think they'll last long enough for me to make use of them anyway, I suppose my own enlightened self interest says I should. After all, I didn't go to the doctor much before Covid, and I haven't gone at all since.
 
Big corporations are the only reason we ever heard of a fat German by the name of Klaus Schwab, so I think some of them have earned the enmity.

Do you believe corporations exist by privilege and therefore the owners have no rights?
 
Do you believe corporations exist by privilege and therefore the owners have no rights?

No. Do you believe corporations have God-given rights that people don't, like the right to make unlimited campaign contributions?
 
No. Do you believe corporations have God-given rights that people don't, like the right to make unlimited campaign contributions?

Corporations are made up of people.

The owners of a corporation have the same rights as anyone else, therefore they should be able to donate as much as they want, just like anyone else.
 
The owners of a corporation have the same rights as anyone else, therefore they should be able to donate as much as they want.

But people are limited to $2300, remember?

I think everyone who has stock in a company and everyone who works for one has the right to make campaign contributions, but corporations don't. What do you think of that?
 
But people are limited to $2300, remember?

I think everyone who has stock in a company and everyone who works for one has the right to make campaign contributions, but corporations don't. What do you think of that?
It's higher than 2300 for individuals now. But corporations can't contribute to candidate campaign committees at all. They do have a limit, zero dollars.
 
But people are limited to $2300, remember?

I think everyone who has stock in a company and everyone who works for one has the right to make campaign contributions, but corporations don't. What do you think of that?

I don't think there should be any limits. Period.
 
I don't think there should be any limits. Period.

I don't think corporations have any God-given rights and don't think representatives represent them. Period.

But I still believe humans may and often should create them. That's not a contradiction. I can have both views, and I can believe stockholders have the right to vote the company's interests too. A strict adherence to the philosophy would be a boon to American owned companies at the expense of multinationals.
 
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I don't think corporations have any God-given rights and don't think representatives represent them. Period.

But I still believe humans may and often should create them. That's not a contradiction. I can have both views, and I can believe stockholders have the right to vote the company's interests too. A strict adherence to the philosophy would be a boon to American owned companies at the expense of multinationals.

But earlier you said the owners of a corporation should have the same rights as anyone else.

And Ron Paul agrees with me:

Ron Paul's position on campaign donations is rooted in strict First-Amendment absolutism and opposition to any government limits on political giving.

No limits on individuals OR corporations​

  • He opposes every federal cap ($2,900 today, $2,400 in his era) because “the right to support a candidate” cannot be “arbitrarily limited to a dollar amount.”
  • He sued the FEC in 2002 over McCain-Feingold, arguing it treated candidates worse than media corporations.
  • After Citizens United (2010) he said: “You should never restrict lobbying… corporations should be allowed to do that.”
 
Enough Wikipedia. Ron Paul 2015:

It is no coincidence that the only major party nominees to present the most radical challenge to the bipartisan consensus in recent years, Barry Goldwater and George McGovern, were able to overcome the political establishment's hostility to their campaigns because of the support of a few large donors.

As I found out in 2008 and 2012, that option is no longer available to candidates thanks to federal laws designed to “improve” the electoral process. The power of the consultant and donor class was on display in the last year’s election, particularly in the Republican primaries. In several instances, candidates favored by the grassroots and small donors were defeated by candidates favored by the D.C.-based consultants and large business interests. This was an acknowledged effort by the consultants and donors to seize control of the electoral process back from the grassroots activists and small donors of the “tea party.”

Looking at the early coverage of the 2016 presidential elections shows the continuing influence of the large donors. In all this coverage, there is an inordinate focus on which candidates have done the best job of appealing to big donors. The coverage freely admits that these donors are looking for “centrist” candidates who can be counted on to not aggressively challenge current domestic or foreign policies.

Much of the coverage of the early “money primary” discusses how candidates are courting support from the financial industry, the military-industrial complex, and other businesses that benefit from current monetary and fiscal policies. This is a phenomenon that affects both parties and may explain why free-market Republicans and progressive Democrats routinely violate their principles by supporting corporate welfare that distorts the market (violating the Republicans’ supposed free-market beliefs) for the benefit of the corporate and/or financial elites (violating the progressives’ supposed commitment to
use government power to benefit those at the bottom of the income scale).

One of the most disturbing examples of the current system of campaign finance reform’s failure is how some politicians are making the passage of unconstitutional legislation banning Internet gambling a priority in order to “get on the good side” of one billionaire donor. Clearly, the system of campaign finance reform has failed to curb the power of large donors and political consultants to shape the electoral, and thus political, process. One explanation for why campaign finance reform laws enhance the power of establishment consultants and large donors, many of whom made their fortunes in industries that benefit from current government policies, is regulatory capture.

Regulatory capture occurs when a regulatory agency ends up serving the interests of the industries they regulate. One reason this occurs is that the regulated have the time, resources, and incentives to discover and exploit any loopholes in the law to influence the regulations and figure out how to manipulate them for their benefit. This is why every new round of campaign finance reform ends up further empowering the entrenched consultant and donor class. Smaller, independent-minded candidates and businesses promoting new ideas do not have the same ability to do so. Instead, they are often reduced to trying to copy the “professionals’” techniques.

Finally, I wish to address the question of the constitutionality of any campaign finance laws. The First Amendment to the Constitution prohibits Congress from making any laws “abridging the freedom of speech.” The right of free speech includes the right to participate in the political process by volunteering for candidates, writing letters to the editor or blogging about politicians and political issues, or donating to campaigns. Federal laws limiting how much an individual can participate in the political process by donating to the candidates of their choice violates the First Amendment just as much as laws limiting the amount of time an individual could spend volunteering for a candidate or the amount of money an individual could spend supporting a political publication or website would.

People are correct to be concerned about the influence of money in politics. However, the solution to this problem is not to create more unconstitutional regulations limiting the right of people to influence the political process. Instead, the solution is to remove the incentive for powerful special interests to influence and profit from government policy by scaling the government back to its constitutional
limitations. The only way to get money out of politics is to get politics out of money.


Can't say I agree with every single word, but I certainly agree with the conclusion. Maybe this is a case where I'm the one saying, once we get here then we can afford to do that, specifically when we get the politics out of money, then we can afford to allow a free-for-all. But right now, campaign contributions and PACs are too much like bribes. The difference as I see it (and I can't guarantee my glasses prescription) is you were talking about something that could conceivably affect an economic recovery, and I'm not.
 
Can't say I agree with every single word, but I certainly agree with the conclusion. Maybe this is a case where I'm the one saying, once we get here then we can afford to do that, specifically when we get the politics out of money, then we can afford to allow a free-for-all. But right now, campaign contributions and PACs are too much like bribes. The difference as I see it (and I can't guarantee my glasses prescription) is you were talking about something that could conceivably affect an economic recovery, and I'm not.

I think the practical result of limits on campaign contributions is that incumbents have a huge advantage.

Where I really disagree with you is the idea that corporate owners don't have rights equal to anyone else. Nothing will turn us into a 3rd world country faster than if we officially declared that corporate owners have no rights. Look at what happened in Venezuela.

Either way we're about to run out of other people's money, the dems are probably going to win in 2028 because of high to hyper inflation. Then it really gets interesting.
 
Where I really disagree with you is the idea that corporate owners don't have rights equal to anyone else.

Damn it, I repeatedly said the opposite. Where such owners are American citizens, they do.

Corporations don't. Their individual American owners do. Let Americans exercise their rights on their own volition and stop letting middlemen like corporate boards and hedge fund managers in -- and foreigners in with them. Whether directly or through PACs or whatever. If foundations want to accept donations from foreigners, fine. Let them exempt themselves from donating to US politicians.

Damn it, man. There is a difference. If you can't see it, I'll try to explain, but don't lie about what I said.
 
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Damn it, I repeatedly said the opposite. Where such owners are American citizens, they do.

Corporations don't. Their individual American owners do. Let Americans exercise their rights on their own volition and stop letting middlemen like corporate boards and hedge fund managers in -- and foreigners in with them. Whether directly or through PACs or whatever. If foundations want to accept donations from foreigners, fine. Let them exempt themselves from donating to US politicians.

Damn it, man. There is a difference. If you can't see it, I'll try to explain, but don't lie about what I said.

I'm confused as to your position. Are you saying that corporate owners have rights, but only if they directly make the decision for the corporation? They can't elect a board to make decisions?
Damn it, I repeatedly said the opposite. Where such owners are American citizens, they do.

Corporations don't. Their individual American owners do. Let Americans exercise their rights on their own volition and stop letting middlemen like corporate boards and hedge fund managers in -- and foreigners in with them. Whether directly or through PACs or whatever. If foundations want to accept donations from foreigners, fine. Let them exempt themselves from donating to US politicians.

Damn it, man. There is a difference. If you can't see it, I'll try to explain, but don't lie about what I said.

So you're saying that corporate shareholders have rights in their personal lives but they don't have the right to make decisions on how to run the corporation because they hired a 3rd party (board) to run it? Therefore the government has the right to step in at any time and overrule the board's decision?
 
So you're saying that corporate shareholders have rights in their personal lives but they don't have the right to make decisions on how to run the corporation because they hired a 3rd party (board) to run it?

Hell no. I thought we were talking about campaign contributions. When did I ever say I was talking about anything in this world but campaign contributions?

Corporations, hedge funds, foundations, can have international boards directing them. Why not? But let only individual American citizens make campaign contributions.

Why? Because citizenship is an individual duty that has nothing to do with your religion, your employer, nothing. That doesn't mean you don't want to elect people who care about what you care about, but such things are between citizens and their government, and the foreigners on the boards of your employer, your broker, and whatever lobbying companies foundations they pay should have no say. So let only individuals make them.

Keep the grassroots rooted. Call it the anti-Zionist-Astroturf® Law.

I have no clue why any rational person would feel any differently about that than they'd feel about their boss telling--not asking, telling--them who to vote for.
 
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Hell no. I thought we were talking about campaign contributions. When did I ever say I was talking about anything in this world but campaign contributions?

Corporations, hedge funds, foundations, can have international boards directing them. Why not? But let only individual American citizens make campaign contributions.

Why? Because citizenship is an individual duty that has nothing to do with your religion, your employer, nothing. That doesn't mean you don't want to elect people who care about what you care about, but such things are between citizens and their government, and the foreigners on the boards of your employer, your broker, and whatever lobbying companies foundations they pay should have no say. So let only individuals make them.

Keep the grassroots rooted. Call it the anti-Zionist-Astroturf® Law.

I have no clue why any rational person would feel any differently about that than they'd feel about their boss telling--not asking, telling--them who to vote for.

In a free market your boss has the right to tell you who to vote for as a condition of employment. And you have the right to quit and look for another job.
 
In a free market your boss has the right to tell you who to vote for as a condition of employment. And you have the right to quit and look for another job.

I believe I also have the right to say, "You betcha I will, you ugly tyrant," and vote my secret ballot as I please without my boss having any way to know.
 
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