Why the H-1B Visa Racket Should Be Abolished, Not Reformed

[susano]

So how about it?

What would happen if anti-immigrant people shifted their focus from restricting immigration to denying them welfare benefits?

Why is that not an option?

It is an option for anyone feeling strongly enough about it. I'm just sayin' that you can't have both. Those advocating open borders but who oppose any form of welfare have it ass backwards.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

It is an option for anyone feeling strongly enough about it. I'm just sayin' that you can't have both. Those advocating open borders but who oppose any form of welfare have it ass backwards.

Point is, the "since there's welfare, we have to restrict immigration" argument makes no sense.

It presupposes that it's impossible to cut welfare for immigrants, when that's actually more politically feasible than further restricting immigration.

 

[susano]

Point is, the "since there's welfare, we have to restrict immigration" argument makes no sense.

It presupposes that it's impossible to cut welfare for immigrants, when that's actually more politically feasible than further restricting immigration.

That's not what I said. I said you can't have both. There are many other reasons to oppose mass immigration besides the fact that immigrants and illegal aliens receive welfare.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

There are many other reasons to oppose mass immigration besides the fact that immigrants and illegal aliens receive welfare.

Such as?

 

[Natural Citizen]

A decrease in the last 20 years. Now why would that be? Could it possibly be for the reasons I have heard from actual students who have decided against computer science?

No.

The vast majority of these students are simply pulling out their arbitrary victim status card because they don't understand that they had an inferior education. They simply aren't qualified to be phd candidates in these fields because the information revolution's weakness is precisely the education system. America has the worst education system known to math and science. The worst part is that they really don't know this. If they did, we wouldn't need to go to campuses to pass out literature, now would we?

Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty
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They are discouraged by hearing that foreigners are getting hired over them. They are discouraging by hearing that pay is going down. They are discouraged by hearing that their grand parents or parents were forced to train their foreign replacement. They are discouraged by hearing that they are less capable than foreigners at these majors. They are discouraged by walking into a classroom that is 80% or more foreigners.

See? They hear things. They see things. But I doubt very highly that they are of the geopolitical aptitude to relate what they are seeing and hearing to the reality of the situation. They think they are qualified because they don't know they got an inferior education. To them, they think they got great education. But they didn't. They forgot that in todays American education system, everybody is on the honor roll. lol. You know it and I know it. It's just another example of the entitlement mindset.

And unfortunately for them, they don't have a right to have their feelings addressed. It's okay. Just give them a sticker and a mop and call them the last winner.

The problem with the H1B is the grade school and high school education system. That needs to be resolved. But you guys are against the education system so you're stuck in your own horse pucky and trying to circlejerk around the issue and compartmentalize it into something else. I suppose mom and dad (if there is such a situation) can teach junior the mathematical prerequisites for quantum physics if he can pull them away from Dancing With The Stars and their McMac for 5 minutes. Couldn't they?

 

[Madison320]

So how about it?

What would happen if anti-immigrant people shifted their focus from restricting immigration to denying them welfare benefits?

Why is that not an option?

I think that's what irritates me the most about this. Even if immigration is a net negative (which I don't think it is), the negative effects are MICROSCOPIC compared to the REAL problems we have. It's such wasted energy.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I think that's what irritates me the most about this. Even if immigration is a net negative (which I don't think it is), the negative effects are MICROSCOPIC compared to the REAL problems we have. It's such wasted energy.

Indeed. Even by the estimate of anti-immigrant group FAIRUS, total government spending (all levels, but excluding national defense) per illegal immigrant is $10,272. If we assume all immigrants cost this much (a generous assumption, since legal immigrants are richer and therefore consume fewer benefits), that works out to $451 billion (given 44 million immigrants), or 6% of the total ($7.04 trillion). By contrast, total spending on natives (again sans national defense) is $5.653 trillion (80% of the total); while spending per native is about twice as much at $20,407. This is largely driven by social security and medicare, which accounts for more than a fifth of the budget and goes almost exclusively to natives.

 

[timosman]

I think that's what irritates me the most about this. Even if immigration is a net negative (which I don't think it is), the negative effects are MICROSCOPIC compared to the REAL problems we have. It's such wasted energy.

As measured by FRNs as nothing else matters to the free market "advocates"

 

[timosman]

A decrease in the last 20 years. Now why would that be?

Have you heard of Agile?

 

[timosman]

RTP for example. And yes, if a person needs to look up that acronym, that would be a red flag that a person does not have a whole lot of knowledge of the subject.

Please do everybody a favor and explain what RTP is, pretty please.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Neither have you. Your claim to have heard someone give you a bogus totally uninformed reason for why they didn't choose some career doesn't count as evidence for the conclusion that more H1B Visas in these fields where there's nowhere near enough supply of labor to meet the demand is somehow creating a disincentive in the market as a whole for Americans to go into those fields and to choose other fields where the demand is lower and they will get paid less and have less job security instead.
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OK, I provided links with evidence, and all you do is repeat the US Chamber and cheap labor lobby talking points. You have no evidence to back up your claims.

Your sophistry knows no bounds.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

No.

The vast majority of these students are simply pulling out their arbitrary victim status card because they don't understand that they had an inferior education. They simply aren't qualified to be phd candidates in these fields because the information revolution's weakness is precisely the education system. America has the worst education system known to math and science. The worst part is that they really don't know this. If they did, we wouldn't need to go to campuses to pass out literature, now would we?

See? They hear things. They see things. But I doubt very highly that they are of the geopolitical aptitude to relate what they are seeing and hearing to the reality of the situation. They think they are qualified because they don't know they got an inferior education. To them, they think they got great education. But they didn't. They forgot that in todays American education system, everybody is on the honor roll. lol. You know it and I know it. It's just another example of the entitlement mindset.

And unfortunately for them, they don't have a right to have their feelings addressed. It's okay. Just give them a sticker and a mop and call them the last winner.

The problem with the H1B is the grade school and high school education system. That needs to be resolved. But you guys are against the education system so you're stuck in your own horse pucky and trying to circlejerk around the issue and compartmentalize it into something else. I suppose mom and dad (if there is such a situation) can teach junior the mathematical prerequisites for quantum physics if he can pull them away from Dancing With The Stars and their McMac for 5 minutes. Couldn't they?

Why doesn't this apply to all STEM fields? Why is Computer Science the only STEM field which is decreasing for US students?

Once again:

The percentage of U.S. high school students taking STEM courses has increased over the last 20 years across all STEM disciplines except computer science ...Nationally, computer science is the only STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) field that has seen a decrease in student participation in the last 20 years

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Have you heard of Agile?

Sure, that's where the team does Yoga together every day.

Please do everybody a favor and explain what RTP is, pretty please.

Real-time Transport Protocol? Release to Production?

OK, since the subject was new "Silicon Valleys", it's Research Triangle Park in North Carolina. A large, centrally planned R&D area, it's main objective was to draw large companies there for a lower cost of living, tax incentives and prospective employees from local Universities. Started slowly but has been taking off lately as they reach a critical mass.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Such a drastic step is quite unlikey.

The man angling to become the U.S. envoy to India shares Trump's ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../trumps.../71b6bf82-9ff5-45a2-b506-ce06cdc6d5e5...
Feb 22, 2017 - Shalabh “Shalli” Kumar, founder of the Republican Hindu Coalition, ... donated $1,162,400 to Trump's campaign and victory fund, ...

H1B issue not a sticking point in India-US ties: Shalabh Kumar
1 Feb, 2017, 10.01AM ISTDuring his campaign, Trump promised to increase oversight of our H-1B and L-1 visa programmes.

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[showpan]

I'm all about open borders, in a free society, but I'm not about to help destroy western civilization by promoting open borders and immigration when we have a huge welfare state.

JP Morgan makes millions from each states welfare programs. It's a huge chunk of their profits now.
It's never going to end as long as the elite remain in control.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Smart move:

Modi invites Ivanka Trump to lead US delegation in India
7 days ago - WASHINGTON: Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Monday invited Ivanka Trump, daughter of US President Donald Trump to India, to lead the US delegation of entrepreneurs.

India PM Modi Before Trump Meeting: We Need U.S. Jobs
Dimitra DeFotis
June 26, 2017
http://www.barrons.com/articles/india-pm-modi-before-trump-meeting-we-need-u-s-jobs-1498501300

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Is President Trump acting on his recent ultimatum for India's Modi?

Trump's Afghanistan strategy includes a new ultimatum for India
Matthew Pennington, Associated Press
Aug. 22, 2017
"We appreciate India's important contributions to stability in Afghanistan, but India makes billions of dollars in trade with the United States, and we want them to help us more with Afghanistan, especially in the area of economic assistance and development," Trump said.
He didn't elaborate, but the threat was clear, especially given Trump's regular chafing over countries enjoying significant trade surpluses with the United States. Either India must pony up more money for what the Trump administration is calling its "regional approach" to Afghanistan, or it could face commercial repercussions.
The U.S. deficit in goods and services with India last year was about $30 billion. Trump also is reviewing a work visa program heavily used by Indians.

Interpreting Trump’s not-so-subtle threat to India to do more in Afghanistan
One, this is a clear and overt threat: cooperate or else. President Trump has been waving the trade flag in all his perorations concerning India. He has been unequivocal about seeking enhanced market access for US goods and services. The joint press statement issued during prime minister Narendra Modi’s Washington DC visit has him saying: “It is important that barriers be removed to the export of US goods into your markets, and that we reduce our trade deficit with your country.” Indo-US trade touched $114.8 billion during 2016, with India enjoying a $30.8-billion trade surplus. It would seem Trump has made India’s trade with the US contingent upon cooperation in Afghanistan.



US committee passes bill increasing minimum pay of H1B visa holders to $90,000

If made into law, this bill could prove a deterrent to organisations hiring Indian techies.
TNM Staff

• Friday, November 17, 2017

In what could prove to be a hurdle for Indian IT companies, a key US Congressional Committee has voted in favour of passing a legislation that proposes to increase the minimum salaries of H1B visa holders from $60,000 to $90,000, reported PTI.
The Protect and Grow American Jobs Act (HR 170), which also proposes several other restrictions on H1B visa holders, a majority of whom are Indian, was passed by the House Judiciary Committee on Thursday.
According to the PTI report, the bill will next head to the full House. A similar version of the bill will also have to be passed by the Senate after which US President Donald Trump can sign it into law.
Following Trump's election on a protectionist platform, the US has announced stricter norms for issuing the H1B and L1 visas.

H1B visas are one of the most opted visas in the US that provide skilled workers from foreign countries work in a wide range of specialty occupations, including information technology, academic research, and accounting. It is used mostly by Indian IT professionals.

In April, the US administration began enforcing stricter bureaucratic norms for the issuance of H1B visas in order to prevent "fraud and abuse" in the programme.

 

[euphemia]

There is no logic to the argument we cannot find good people out out the 325 million people that live in the US.

Disney fired 250 native workers in favor of H1B workers. Link

Raising the minimum salaries might well make this kind of move a bad choice in future, but does nothing to help the ones who were fired and still had mortgages, rents, etc.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Hopefully no one will confuse "native" with "native Americans".

 

[enhanced_deficit]

There was apaprenty no change in above policy despite all the noise and yet India has joined China-Europe in a global trade war escalation against US starting today?

India just retaliated with new tariffs on U.S. goods. Here’s why developing economies like tariffs.

by Ida Bastiaens, Nita Rudra and Stacey Williams June 28


In a week that saw President Trump tweet against a wide range of companies and countries, India got its own shout-out for high tariffs. India joined the European Unionand China to push back against U.S. steel and aluminum tariffs, and notified the World Trade Organization (WTO) last week that it would impose higher import tariffs on 30 U.S. goods, including almonds, shrimp and chocolates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-heres-why-developing-economies-like-tariffs/


Worldwide retaliation for US tariffs begin on Sunday, putting a 'bull's eye' on wide range of goods

• Fighting back against the Trump administration's steel tariffs, Canada will start collecting duties on a variety of U.S. products, including orange juice, yogurt, whiskey, maple syrup and soups.
• Mexico and China will soon start collecting new tariffs on U.S. pork and dairy products.
• On July 6, China is expected to unleash a 25 percent tariff on U.S. soybeans, a move that farmers have long dreaded.

Jeff Daniels | @JeffDanielsca

Published 1 Hour Ago Updated 17 Mins Ago

Good news for Indian techies: US Deputy Chief of Mission in India says there is no big change in H-1B visa

H-4 is issued to the spouse of H-1B visa holders, a significantly large number of whom are high-skilled professionals from India.

June 6, 2018 5:12 PM
There have been “no big changes” in the H-1B programme and “nothing new” on the H-4 visa policy, the US said today, amid the Trump administration’s plan to overhaul the immigration system. (Reuters)
There have been “no big changes” in the H-1B programme and “nothing new” on the H-4 visa policy, the US said today, amid the Trump administration’s plan to overhaul the immigration system. US Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM) in Delhi, MaryKay L Carlson said granting employment visa and work permits is the sovereign decision of a country.

https://www.financialexpress.com/wo...y-chief-of-mission-marykay-l-carlson/1195889/