Why the change of heart from Bob Barr?

Who cares what he's going to do... He's not going to win. This isn't a tough decision.

CP and LP are both relatively libertarian. Instead of delving into the issues, I suggest you think instead in terms of the party. Read my "Twenty-Eight Reasons..." thread linked in my signature for the states the party does not have to petition in if they get x% in the General Election.


With that in mind, the LP received .32% in 2004, and polls list the LP as getting 2-6% - not to mention that the LP will be on more states then the CP (check out the ballot access link in my sig.). Compare that to the CP who received just .12% in 2004, and isn't even included in the polls.

Search "Who Will You Vote For?" and you will see two threads showing how RPFs intends to vote, with at least 2x more voting Barr over Baldwin.


It's not that either party isn't great or that you shouldn't be sticking to your principles, it's simply pragmatic and will be the ONLY hard benefit you can gain voting third party.

It matters to me. If I wanted to vote for someone I didn't trust and didn't want to represent my views in government, I'd vote for McCain or Obama.
 
i never said anything about Norma specifically, nor did I say anything about the issue of Roe v. Wade qualitatively, but you have to admit, whether or not you like the issue or do not like the issue, it is of no help to the pro-choice movement that she did switch sides. it DOES give ammunition to the other side. regardless of your feelings on the issue, you have to be able to see the point. I was not trying to make the issue relate to abortion, nor did I give a viewpoint on abortion. I gave an example about how advocates current positions affect the moral authority of using them, specifically, as an example.

of course there are other arguments for the pro-choice side, there are valid arguments on both sides, however, one valid argument that can no longer be effectively used, is how well the situation worked out for Jane Doe, originally considered the most important figure. her role is now downplayed by the pro-choice movement.

there again, there is nothing in what I said that counts as an endorsement on either side of the subject, simply describing how early activists changing their opinion affects the debate on the subject, please leave the emotional baggage surrounding the word abortion at the door when the example doesn't even include any positioning on the subject.

the example could have been about any issue, just one of the most well-known ironic flip floppers of all time, regardless of how many obscenities you want to describe her with, is Jane Doe. If you can't appreciate the irony in that, you simply have Anger Goggles on looking at the whole subject, which is not a debate subject, just a historical analysis subject.

like, you may think Lincoln was a terrible president of the United States, but you can't deny that he WAS president of the united states at one point. When people list presidents of the united states, most people will include Lincoln.

when they make a list about abortion flip floppers, they will include Mitt Romney and Jane Doe, its not a debate issue, its just a concrete fact.

Jane Roe, not Jane Doe, and Roe=McCorvey
 
Okay, familydog, if you had a voting record similar to Bob Barr's, but then you switched to Libertarian and claimed to no longer believe "in all that stuff", how would you convince people that you were telling the truth?

Please read my previous posts in this thread. All will be answered. :)
 
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