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Interesting, thanks...
Why Switzerland Has The Lowest Crime Rate In The World!
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Interesting, thanks...
Excuse me. Are you serious?
I wasn't going to single out any particular race, but since you are going to volunteer black crime all on your own...you are correct, whenever you have a lot of blacks you ALSO have a lot of crime (whether you have diversity or not).
As per "The Diversity Factor" in crime there are always minor exceptions. For example, in a 100% all-white area you are not going to get rid of crime totally...there are exceptions to every rule - there are innocent people in prison after all. But generally diversity and the existence of a lot of African Americans in a given area are the best barometers of how much crime you are going to have. It is more reliable than any other single determining factor including poverty (which I tackle in my below post).
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Indonesia pretty much destroys this theory. Largest muslim country on the planet -tons of young poor people. Yet a a lower murder rate then Canada. China also has A LOT of poor young people and has half the murder rate of the U.S. Other violent crime stats follow similar trends.
These are just a couple. Just look at crime stats by nation and you can see all sorts of widespread examples of the opposite.
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I think there's many. But socioeconomic status is the biggest.
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Spare me the bullshit. You've clearly exposed your agenda now. There are plenty of black areas with low crime rates, and plenty of white areas with high crime rates. As for Palo Alto, where crimes rates are incredibly low, whites are not a majority. There are more Asians and Indians.
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That's because there are many factors, not just one. Only a racist would think that crime is so easily explained by one factor.
You seem to have a lot of strong opinions that are easily dismissed due to the lack of evidence. I notice you also have the low class habit of cursing in your posts when you disagree with someone. Now I see you've used the "racist" term...quite a feeble crutch to drag around with you it seems. But then, being black, you probably are used to people taking you seriously if you call them a racist? You can be assured, I like the overuse of this term...I shows a lot of weakness in an opponent.
Why don't you try and do some research on crime and come back later? It is useful to know if you are right or not when you come out swinging on an issue. For example, you mentioned a number of African cities, or countries or towns that are shining examples of civil obedience. Why don't you toddle off and return with the information for us? Nothing worse than a time waster.
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And the reason why Russia and Scotland are some of the most violent crime ridden countries of the world is....?http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article568214.ece
http://www.javno.com/en-world/russian-crisis-sparks-moscow-crime-wave_234788
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article568214.ece
http://www.javno.com/en-world/russian-crisis-sparks-moscow-crime-wave_234788
Your first article didn't work and the other talks about crime in Moscow. It's probably higher there than the rest of the country I will give you that.
Per capita crime totals are generally highest in the diversity loving western nations (with Russia being one of the safest). Evidence here:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita
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One example destroys a theory? Sure not everything fits- that is even more true of your claims.
It is far more of a factor than race. Indonesia is also not majority white last time I checked.
Let us consider the ten countries with the lowest murder rates (other crime statistics can be hard to compare):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Starting from the lowest:
Andora
Senegal
Singapore
Japan
Hong Kong
Brunei
Morocco
Lebanon
Oman
Algeria
Malai
And the ten worst- starting at the top:
Honduras
Sierra Leone
Jamaica
Venezuela
El Salvador
Guatemala
Trinidan and Tobago
Angola
Columbia
Beliz
Brazil
Dominican Republic
Iraq
Both lists have very low white populations- good and bad lists both. But consider the economies and standards of living. Those on the low murder rate list are high income countries where people are relatively well off- those on the high murder rate list are relatively poor countries. Race is not nearly the factor that money is.
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One thing to be clear on: racial diversity is not white + some other racial group. It can be a mix of any racial groups.
To your data (thank you for posting some actual figures) - the first thing I notice is that the 10 worst countries have rampant diversity rates. Take Brazil for example. It is even more diverse than the US. I believe it is 50% - 50% minority vs white from when I checked into the country about the Olympics. Most South American countries have huge minority (mestizo and black) groups similar to Brazil and also a lot of "white" Spainards...
For the ten best countries like Japan are approaching ZERO diversity. They are all Japanese. Same a Morocco...almost no diversity (they are all Arab). A lot of the others are small city states that I don't believe we can use to generalize about the rest of the world. Some are diverse and some not.
As far as your comment about the wealthy nations having less crime...that is pretty much a truism everywhere you go. Diversity and crime go hand in hand, and the wealthy don't want to live in a crime infested location. Hence diversity and crime cause poverty...not the other way around.
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It worked fine for me and I just checked it again. Maybe your computer is screwed up. Russia is per capita the 5th most dangerous country in the world.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
# 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
# 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
# 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
# 4 Venezuela:
# 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
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# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
Here's the article about Scotland.
Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries
By Katrina Tweedie
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A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America.
England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest.
The study, based on telephone interviews with victims of crime in 21 countries, found that more than 2,000 Scots were attacked every week, almost ten times the official police figures. They include non-sexual crimes of violence and serious assaults.
Violent crime has doubled in Scotland over the past 20 years and levels, per head of population, are now comparable with cities such as Rio de Janeiro, Johannesburg and Tbilisi.
The attacks have been fuelled by a “booze and blades” culture in the west of Scotland which has claimed more than 160 lives over the past five years. Since January there have been 13 murders, 145 attempted murders and 1,100 serious assaults involving knives in the west of Scotland. The problem is made worse by sectarian violence, with hospitals reporting higher admissions following Old Firm matches.
David Ritchie, an accident and emergency consultant at Glasgow’s Victoria Infirmary, said that the figures were a national disgrace. “I am embarrassed as a Scot that we are seeing this level of violence. Politicians must do something about this problem. This is a serious public health issue. Violence is a cancer in this part of the world,” he said.
Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan, head of the Strathclyde Police’s violence reduction unit, said the problem was chronic and restricting access to drink and limiting the sale of knives would at least reduce the problem.
The study, by the UN’s crime research institute, found that 3 per cent of Scots had been victims of assault compared with 1.2 per cent in America and just 0.1 per cent in Japan, 0.2 per cent in Italy and 0.8 per cent in Austria. In England and Wales the figure was 2.8 per cent.
Scotland was eighth for total crime, 13th for property crime, 12th for robbery and 14th for sexual assault. New Zealand had the most property crimes and sexual assaults, while Poland had the most robberies.
Chief Constable Peter Wilson, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, questioned the figures. “It must be near impossible to compare assault figures from one country to the next based on phone calls,” he said.
“We have been doing extensive research into violent crime in Scotland for some years now and this has shown that in the vast majority of cases, victims of violent crime are known to each other. We do accept, however, that, despite your chances of being a victim of assault being low in Scotland, a problem does exist.”
Russia has a lot of ethnic minorities, about 20%. A lot of problems with Arabs especially around the border. Big racial struggle with the Arabs. Think Georgia, Afganistan, wars, murders, yeck...Sucks to have diversity doesn't it? Nationmaster is a great source...
As for Scotland, I didn't even see it anywhere near the top of countries by murder on Nationmaster. I read the article saying it was the most dangerous "developed" country (which is where all the diversity is and immigration is focused). Strangely, it didn't agree with our Nationmaster source (which I would consider the more reliable), probably because it is part of the U.K.
I checked out Scotland's actual murder rate however, and though it has gone up recently (due to the spike in immgration levels there) it is still only 2.1 out of 1,000 which is on par with Canada and well below the U.S.A's at 5.8 out of 1,000
As for Scotland, I didn't even see it anywhere near the top of countries by murder on Nationmaster. I read the article saying it was the most dangerous "developed" country (which is where all the diversity is and immigration is focused). Strangely, it didn't agree with our Nationmaster source (which I would consider the more reliable), probably because it is part of the U.K.
I checked out Scotland's actual murder rate however, and though it has gone up recently (due to the spike in immgration levels there) it is still only 2.1 out of 1,000 which is on par with Canada and well below the U.S.A's at 5.8 out of 1,000
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Um - those on the "worst" list are also pretty racially non-diverse. You are trying to fit the data to your own preconceived notions.
Brazil has large very poor slums outside Rio and Sao Paolo with terrible crime- and they are racially non-diverse. Inside the big cities, where the wealth is, is considerably lower in crime.
You cited Indonesia as a low crime country. Did you know they have over 700 languages? That is hardly a mono society. It has large Christian and Hindu populations. India is said to be the most diverse country in the world yet it is near the middle not the bottom or top of the list.
You are so wrong on that. If crimes cause poverty then it must be rich people who cause crime because if there was no crime there would be no poverty according to your theory. I think you are being quite silly. Having no money causes poverty. And that can lead to crime. They did not become poor because a crime was committed against them- unless poverty itself is a crime.
Brazil has large very poor slums outside Rio and Sao Paolo with terrible crime- and they are racially non-diverse. Inside the big cities, where the wealth is, is considerably lower in crime.
You cited Indonesia as a low crime country. Did you know they have over 700 languages? That is hardly a mono society. It has large Christian and Hindu populations. India is said to be the most diverse country in the world yet it is near the middle not the bottom or top of the list.
You are so wrong on that. If crimes cause poverty then it must be rich people who cause crime because if there was no crime there would be no poverty according to your theory. I think you are being quite silly. Having no money causes poverty. And that can lead to crime. They did not become poor because a crime was committed against them- unless poverty itself is a crime.
At least you agree on that. Wealthier- less crime. Yet you do not seem to agree that the corelary is also true- that poorer does not necessarily mean more crime?
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Violent crime would go down if they had public executions.
Let a thug out on parole or a light sentence, too often it's rinse and repeat.
The public execution part is to show everyone what happens if you do these things, so don't even think about it.
Of course, a fair trial is absolutely necessary.
Let a thug out on parole or a light sentence, too often it's rinse and repeat.
The public execution part is to show everyone what happens if you do these things, so don't even think about it.
Of course, a fair trial is absolutely necessary.
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You say Brazil is not diverse? Fine. here the the FACTS
Ethnic groups 49.4% White
42.3% Brown (Multiracial)
7.4% Black
0.5% Asian
0.4% Amerindian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil
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Thank you for the correction.
Most countries outside perhaps of China and some other Asian countries have diversity these days. We can find diversity in "safe" and "dangerous" countries on any list you want to look at. I am still not seeing the corelation between it and crime- not a larger effect than poverty.
Most countries outside perhaps of China and some other Asian countries have diversity these days. We can find diversity in "safe" and "dangerous" countries on any list you want to look at. I am still not seeing the corelation between it and crime- not a larger effect than poverty.
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I will conceed that poverty and crime usually go together. However, car accidents and drunkness go together but car accidents don't cause drunkeness.
Poverty does not CAUSE crime. However, anti-social tendencies make it difficult to maintain stable employment. That's where crime comes from. Criminals cause crime and crime causes poverty. For example, crime did not spiral out of control during he great depression on a macro scale. Crime did not sprial out of control during the German collapse following the treaty of versialle when people were wheeling wheelbarrows full of money around. People found themselves incredibly poor but they didn't resort to robbing their neighbors on a massive scale while their economy was destroyed. They weren't turned into criminals just because they lost everything. Criminals probably went out and robbed people, but they were always there to begin with.
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Most of those "ethnic minorities" are also white. And Georgians are not mostly Arabic. But hey, go down the list. Latvia, Estonia all of the countries of the former Soviet Union have high crime rates. Notice they had low crime rates while the Soviet Union still existed.
Besides, the United States is significantly more ethnically diverse than Russia. 23% minorities the way it is reported. If you used the same measurement that is used for Russia (where whites from different ethnic groups are considered "minorities") the diversity of the U.S. is MUCH MUCH higher than Russias.
Scotland isn't listed on Nationmaster at all. It's stats are rolled up into those of the United Kingdom. But when you break out Scotland's crime stats they are surprisingly high.
I don't know where you're getting your stats from. From Nationmaster:
# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
You're off by an order of magnitude.
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