Why such little support for Whole Foods?

[jmdrake]

I don't get it. The CEO of Whole Foods basically lays out Ron Paul's health plan in an op ed piece, the left calls for a boycott, and there's only one thread at RPF with 4 posts in it (2 from me).

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=205530

Glenn Beck makes a purposefully provocative (and questionable) statement, the left calls for a boycott and that spawns multiple threads with hundreds of posts and a "defend Beck" website.

Why is that? Do we care more about antics than thoughtful political debate that's actually helpful to our movement? Whole Foods needs your help. If we want companies to continue to go out on a limb and take on positions that are clearly right, but might not sit well with some of their less savvy customers, we need to show them some love. Just my thoughts.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[amy31416]

I support them, but there isn't a Whole Foods near me, so I can't monetarily support them. I wrote them a letter defending Mackey's op-ed piece though.

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

Because the organic food movement is bullshit?

 

[KCIndy]

Anyone who's interested can look up the nearest Whole Foods store here:


http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/stores/index.php



It's too bad they don't sell products via the internet (dry goods, etc) because the nearest one to me is over 50 miles away...

 

[BenIsForRon]

Whole foods is very misleading with their marketing. They show pictures throughout their store of old farmers and their rustic little farms. Truth is, most of their food is grown on giant industrial farms. Though most of it is organic, it is still bad for the environment and very resource intensive.

Earthfare is better in the sense that they aren't trying to create the illusion that all their food is grown sustainably. They tell you where all their food is grown, even if its from South America.

http://www.mindfully.org/Food/Organic-Industrial-Complex.htm

 

[brandon]

Because the food they sell is shitty and overpriced?

 

[Bucjason]

Nothing against Whole Foods CEO , but I think organic food tastes like crap.

I'm sure he is still making PLENTY of money without a few lefties patronage. If not , being a proponent of free markets( as I'm sure he is if he supports Paul ) he will understand that mixing politics and business comes with it risks....

 

[dannno]

Because the organic food movement is bullshit?

Ya, lets soak the ground in a bunch of chemicals, that's going to be real sustainable We won't need even more dangerous chemicals later, who cares

Organic farming is about feeding the soil. The soil feeds the plants. That s how we have been farming for fucking 5,000 years, then you come along and try to tell me that it is wrong, and this new modern method that completely destroys the soil in the long run is so much better.. Give me a break.

Non-organic farming is about using chemicals to directly feed the plants. It is bad for the environment, and it goes against property rights.

 

[dannno]

Nothing against Whole Foods CEO , but I think organic food tastes like crap.

What the hell are you talking about??? Do you even know what organic food is?!?!? As I said before, it's the food we've been eating for the last 5,000 years!! The ignorance here astounds me.

I have been eating organic for years, I assure you that the taste of organic food is generally better than the watery, stale, tasteless grocery store food grown with toxic chemicals.

 

[LittleLightShining]

Ya, lets soak the ground in a bunch of chemicals, that's going to be real sustainable We won't need even more dangerous chemicals later, who cares

Organic farming is about feeding the soil. The soil feeds the plants. That s how we have been farming for fucking 5,000 years, then you come along and try to tell me that it is wrong, and this new modern method that completely destroys the soil in the long run is so much better.. Give me a break.

Non-organic farming is about using chemicals to directly feed the plants. It is bad for the environment, and it goes against property rights.

*applause*

What kind of support are we looking for? I would gladly shop there if I could but there aren't any near here.

 

[Kraig]

Why is that? Do we care more about antics than thoughtful political debate that's actually helpful to our movement? Whole Foods needs your help. If we want companies to continue to go out on a limb and take on positions that are clearly right, but might not sit well with some of their less savvy customers, we need to show them some love. Just my thoughts.

Regards,

John M. Drake

Personally I think it's because "we" are being manipulated by TPTB, but thanks for pointing this out.

 

[Bucjason]

Ya, lets soak the ground in a bunch of chemicals, that's going to be real sustainable We won't need even more dangerous chemicals later, who cares

Organic farming is about feeding the soil. The soil feeds the plants. That s how we have been farming for fucking 5,000 years, then you come along and try to tell me that it is wrong, and this new modern method that completely destroys the soil in the long run is so much better.. Give me a break.

Non-organic farming is about using chemicals to directly feed the plants. It is bad for the environment, and it goes against property rights.

Brando has electrolytes , and electrolytes is what plants crave.

 

[dannno]

Because the food they sell is shitty and overpriced?

Have you thought about why that is???

It is because the government doesn't subsidize their food, they subsidize the food you buy at the grocery store. That is why the food you buy is cheaper. And the food you are buying is very destructive for the environment. If we respected property rights in this country you wouldn't be able to eat it because the person who grew it would have their asses sued for polluting my land and my air.

 

[jmdrake]

Whole foods is very misleading with their marketing. They show pictures throughout their store of old farmers and their rustic little farms. Truth is, most of their food is grown on giant industrial farms. Though most of it is organic, it is still bad for the environment and very resource intensive.

Earthfare is better in the sense that they aren't trying to create the illusion that all their food is grown sustainably. They tell you where all their food is grown, even if its from South America.

http://www.mindfully.org/Food/Organic-Industrial-Complex.htm

While I disagree with your assessment of Whole Foods what difference does it make? Their CEO practically endorsed the Ron Paul health care plan word for word! If we can't stand up honest debate on healthcare than what good are we? If you don't want to buy at Whole Foods the write letters to the editor, oppose the Obamanuts on their message boards, do SOMETHING!

And I personally think the whole "sustainability" ploy is what is BS. I like organic food because I don't want to eat pesticides and drink hormones. Global warming is utter nonsense.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[Bucjason]

I have been eating organic for years, I assure you that the taste of organic food is generally better than the watery, stale, tasteless grocery store food grown with toxic chemicals.

So you are the King of Taste ?? ...sorry your majesty , I didn't realize you control my taste buds , and not myself....

All I know is this : I odered a sandwich at Whole Foods , and it tasted like a shoe. I haven't been back since.
I reserve my right as an American to eat all the shitty food I damn well please , and I pay for my own health care . So a big F*ck You is in order to all you food nazi's.

 

[brandon]

Have you thought about why that is???

It is because the government doesn't subsidize their food, they subsidize the food you buy at the grocery store. That is why the food you buy is cheaper. And the food you are buying is very destructive for the environment. If we respected property rights in this country you wouldn't be able to eat it because the person who grew it would have their asses sued for polluting my land and my air.

I don't know the exact reasons, but I assume it has something to do with a higher overhead cost of growing food organically combined with a lower demand. Are you sure that organic farmers aren't federally subsidized?

Either way, it doesn't change the bottom line. The food costs more then I personally will pay for it. So I don't buy it.

 

[dannno]

Brando has electrolytes , and electrolytes is what plants crave.

Let me break it down for you..


Water = Organic


Brando = Synthetic


YOU are supporting the synthetic "conventional" farming methods that is promoted by the establishment.


Ok, you OBVIOUSLY don't know what organic food is, and it is your attitude that is leading to the idiocracy society portrayed in the film.

Organic just means that you don't use dangerous, toxic, synthetic chemicals to feed your food and kill bugs. It means farming the way we've been doing for the last 5,000 years. How you compare organic farming to Brando is fucking mind blowing.

 

[jmdrake]

*applause*

What kind of support are we looking for? I would gladly shop there if I could but there aren't any near here.

A little moral support would be nice. Get the word out to friends who live near Whole Foods and support freedom. Write letters to the editor in support of honest debate on healthcare. Talk about the issue. We don't have to put all of our energy into GB.

 

[specsaregood]

I show my support by shopping there. Of course it just happens to be the closest store to me.

Edit: but I'll send them an email in approval of his editorial. You have an email address for that?

 

[dannno]

I don't know the exact reasons, but I assume it has something to do with a higher overhead cost of growing food organically combined with a lower demand. Are you sure that organic farmers aren't federally subsidized?

Either way, it doesn't change the bottom line. The food costs more then I personally will pay for it. So I don't buy it.

Your assumption (bolded) is wrong. Even Ron Paul says that large factory farms end up with the food subsidies, and organic farms are usually smaller family farms.

Why does it cost more to grow organically? The answer is that it doesn't really cost more. Food costs about the same to grow either way.. but it is easier to grow on a large scale using "conventional" methods. Maybe save you a few %. That's all corporations care about. You pay substantially more because of the subsidies, not the cost of growing.

And I would bet you would pay for organic food if conventional food wasn't available, otherwise you would starve. If property rights were in place, you wouldn't have those foods available to you because they pollute other people's private property.

Either way, you are supporting the establishment food companies and you are directly giving more money to lobbyists to keep legislation in place that goes against individual abilities to make healthy food choices. It goes against the free market. And you are supporting it with your dollars. There are a million reasons not to buy conventionally grown food. It doesn't pollute, it's better for your body, you aren't supporting the establishment.. and I've found lots of reasonably priced organic food, you just have to look to your local growers!! But your'e too lazy, you'd rather support the establishment and play video games or some crap.