Why So Many Millennials Are Socialists

[Intoxiklown]

Students who started school after about 1965 are fully divorced from true academics. Look at your kids' textbooks. You will not find a single source in the bibliography written before 1965. This means these students are raised in their own era, with almost no sense of history. They do not know how an economy works. They have held very little cash, so they don't understand it. I see a lot of students in my line of work. I have yet to meet one who knows how to count money. There is the high school *honor student* who tried to pay me $12 for a $9 purchase. "I'm, like, bad with money."

The separation of people from cash has done great harm. Numbers on paper have to mean something, and that only happens when one understands cash.

Depends on the school. I am a Gen X'er (born '74), and went to a private school. Not a religious private school, but what most here would call a "classical education".

 

[Intoxiklown]

If you are broke, cannot afford college or training, living in a city or near one with an extremely high cost of living and the only available jobs barely pay or do not pay enough to keep you from ending up homeless how hell do you think people are going to vote?

It amazes me how willfully ignorant libertarians and Conservatives can be to the plight of the poor that they have no little to no control over their situation that they would go as far as to disparage the poor.

This forum reflects much of Rand's campaign, completely ignorant to the plight of the working poor. Reading here you would think it was the 1600s and people can just lay claim to land to farm for themselves and are just "lazy assholes" for not doing so.

At 21 yeas old, I could go to any large city, and be making over $2k a week within 3 days. I have no college. When I left the bar business, I started as a $8 hr drill press operator at a machining company. Within 16 months, I was a plant supervisor at their HQ plant in Indiana (they moved me from Mississippi). Making money is easy. Work is hard. But they go hand in hand.

That "poor oppressed" shit just makes you sad.

 

[jmdrake]

The real reason is that they are willfully ignorant, avaricious, cowardly, sandless, corrupt, lazy assholes. But this article is still not bad.

Why do most Republicans over 55 support socialism? Oh...nobody clued you in that social security is socialism? One of the hate points against Rand Paul this go round is that he wanted to means test social security. "But that will turn it into an entitlement program" squawked the ignorant boobs on talk radio. Exactly! Social Security is already an entitlement program in disguise. Worse it's actual socialism starring you right in the face! It even has the root word of socialism, "social", in the name! What's Bernie Sanders' big idea? A federal government run health insurance plan that everybody pays into and everybody uses. What is Social Security? A federal government run pension plan that everybody pays into and everybody uses....at least if it's not completely bankrupt once the baby boomers run through it. Millennials look at Social Security, compare it to single payer healthcare, and rightly say "What's the difference?"

Now what conservatives should be doing is saying "You know what? There is no difference. We need to keep our promise to those people already on Social Security, have some kind of alternative safety net for the desperately poor, and let everybody else opt out." That would be a principled stand. It would also lose you every primary election because...most Republicans over 55 actually support socialism. They are just to ignorant to know what it is.

 

[DisneyFan]

The Left took over education and the media. That's the main reason.

The Right let it happen without much of a fight, so there is plenty of blame to go around,

 

[heavenlyboy34]

No, 2-1 doesn't equal 2. But 2-1+1 does. And that's what really happens when factories move overseas. Only in reality it's even better than a wash like that. In reality, the net result when trade partners focus on the products where they have competitive advantages is that both end up better than before.

I don't know what you think you're proving with those charts. The labor participation rate stayed in the 66-67% range pretty consistently from the late 80's until 2008.

Are you saying that 2008 corresponds to some flood of factories moving overseas? Don't you think it's more likely that other factors are at play in that?

Order of operations (PEMDAS) tells us that equals 0, not 1.

 

[jmdrake]

Order of operations (PEMDAS) tells us that equals 0, not 1.

LOL. I see what you did here. Addition and subtraction are really the same operation. But treating them differently, as PEMDAS implies, gets you the wrong answer.

2 - 1 + 1 != 2 - (1 + 1)

2 - 1 + 1 = 2 + - 1 + 1

Then you can do (2 + - 1) + 1 or 2 + (-1 + 1) and get the right answer.

Well played to show how modern education is dumbing down 'Merika!

 

[Seraphim]

The mentality since FDR is that government is responsible for everything that happens or fails to happen in this country. This is the core belief among all subsequent generations, not just millennials.

I agree. I think that perhaps the biggest difference is one of perception. Some of the older folk do not want to admit nor think they are socialists and then argue that massive government programs for health care and education are necessary. But of course, they aren't socialist.

Meanwhile more of the younger generation (Millennials) believe much of the same nonsense as their older counterparts but are more willing to actually call themselves socialist.

I'm not sure the actual demographics of ideological/political beliefs have changed all that much.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

edit: dupe

 

[osan]

Why do most Republicans over 55 support socialism?

First of all, who says "most" Republicans support socialism? Have you asked them?

Oh...nobody clued you in that social security is socialism?

It is? How do you reason? So far as I can see, it is an authoritarian imposition of insurance upon people who pay directly into the pool. That is most decidedly not socialism, save for the shared authoritarian element.

Social Security is already an entitlement program in disguise.

You will have to explain this in some detail because I'm not seeing it. You pay into an insurance pool and extract a benefit proportional to earnings over some period of time. This is more like whole-life than anything socialism has ever offered, so far as I can see. But please do regale if your knowledge is superior to my admittedly meager fare.

What is Social Security? A federal government run pension plan that everybody pays into and everybody uses....at least if it's not completely bankrupt once the baby boomers run through it.

This is not quite right. SSI, to which I am opposed precisely because of the element of force that robs you prior to receipt of your paycheck, has been swimming in monies at various times, only to be plundered by Congress on many occasions.

Millennials look at Social Security, compare it to single payer healthcare, and rightly say "What's the difference?"

The average "millennial" doesn't possess intellect of sufficient development to conduct the level of analysis your statement tacitly represents. So far as I can see, they are saying "me me me... gimme... I want... I need... I DEMAND..."

Now what conservatives should be doing is saying "You know what? There is no difference. We need to keep our promise to those people already on Social Security, have some kind of alternative safety net for the desperately poor, and let everybody else opt out." That would be a principled stand. It would also lose you every primary election because...most Republicans over 55 actually support socialism. They are just to ignorant to know what it is.

Borrowing from you:

You call that PRINCIPLED? Holy shit... really? "We shall abide by X... except where the "desperately poor" are concerned, in whose cases we shall pick your pocket. Forty years later, those living in 25K sq. ft. mansions driving Ferrari FXXs are deemed as desperately poor and you find yourself in the same boat.

I may be wrong, but judging by this you appear as one of those who wants all the benefits of freedom without having to pay the price of being free. If we are all of us free, then there are no governmental safety nets, at least not beyond what might be provided through voluntary contributions. You want people to be free but do not accept the reality of "desperately poor" people being SOL. Well, you cannot guarantee both.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Some of life's really important lessons just end up being much more expensive than others. <shrug/sigh>

 

[DisneyFan]

"Millenials are poor"

Am I the only one bothered by this view? I think some of us have very different understandings of what poor means.

 

[Contumacious]

Millenials are typically socialists because of government schools


Gee, I believe your question was answered back in 1943


Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.

–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)

 

[CaptUSA]

 

[SludgeFactory]

My daughter is 30 and she dates men in their 50s because she cannot stand people of her own generation. Those closer to her age that she has dated are all complete pussies and losers. I am biased, but were I 30-ish and someone else and ran into someone like my girl, I'd be on my knees to her in an instant, she is that sound of mind, that faithful, and that much fun to be around. I cannot imagine how fucking stupid these guys must be.



Back last summer when I was still at the radio station, I watched a woman walk face-first into a light post at full steam whilst making love to her cell phone on the boulevard. She almost went down and I was howling at it. She looked at me like she wanted to shoot me and that just made me laugh even more hysterically.

People and their phones... Jesus. I worked on that technology for years and even invented some of the shit you use, albeit indirectly, and when I was hip-deep in it I had the uneasy feeling that these things were destined to become something of a pernicious factor in life. Sure enough... give people a little rope and they almost inevitably hang themselves. You can put your money on that and become wealthy without the least concern of anything beyond the most modest losses.




You are wise beyond your years.

I am around your daughter's age and that is pretty much what I end up doing; dating women that are older than me. The ones my age are way to caught up in their own drama or tv made drama it seems. Your daughter sounds like a rarity, for sure.