Why so few Christians joining fight against The Mark?

[Dr.3D]

My attitude is that of righteous rational indignation.

Spirits, demons, ghosts, werewolves, pumpkin-headed men, fairies, gods, easter bunnies, santa, and other make believe legends and myths are not something we should be encouraging as an "attitude" one should publicly profess beyond a certain age.

And I would fight to the death for your right to have that attitude and express it.

Whether it is a wholesome attitude is for you to determine, not me.

I judge no one, nor should you.

 

[Kade]

Uh...people...not to be a buzzkill, but isn't this the Ron Paul Forums?

Is this infighting providing any positive results for Ron Paul or
the message of freedom in the United States of America?

How about a collective agreement from both sides...
Agree to disagree, believe or not believe, worship the door knob or the image of Christianity, pray or meditate or just get high and imagine you are in the presence of God.

The argument is pretty much irrelevant...

One of our members asked a few legitimate questions


Is the hijacking of the thread to make somebody admit defeat and that your ideology is supreme necessary?

Is there anything that we can do to be more productive in our effort to correct our wayward government?

The point is that we are FREE to choose what we believe by living in this country.
That freedom is being eroded and we are supposed to be working together to make sure that does NOT happen.

Right?


All that said...how about we agree to letting people believe whatever they wish without persecution and get back to work getting our government back on track.

just a thought...
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But "Mark of the Beast?" Seriously...wtf does that do for anyone, it's frankly ape feces.

 

[Dr.3D]

But "Mark of the Beast?" Seriously...wtf does that do for anyone, it's frankly ape feces.

Each of us is entitled to his own opinion.

 

[Kade]

And I would fight to the death for your right to have that attitude and express it.

Whether it is a wholesome attitude is for you to determine, not me.

I judge no one, nor should you.

Alright, alright... I like your attitude. I actually feel the same way... Sorry if I offended you, I just feel like I deal with the winners all day here... so hard to inject some reason...

I too would defend your right to believe whatever nonsense you want... seriously. I really do fear some of the members here, who believe in the kinds of things that make my spine crawl... mark of the beast, hellfire and brimstone, Christian Nation, Theocracy... yikes.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

But "Mark of the Beast?" Seriously...wtf does that do for anyone, it's frankly ape feces.

I suppose that question, will be for historians to decide.

 

[Dr.3D]

Alright, alright... I like your attitude. I actually feel the same way... Sorry if I offended you, I just feel like I deal with the winners all day here... so hard to inject some reason...

I too would defend your right to believe whatever nonsense you want... seriously. I really do fear some of the members here, who believe in the kinds of things that make my spine crawl... mark of the beast, hellfire and brimstone, Christian Nation, Theocracy... yikes.

May you live in peace.

 

[Time for Change]

But "Mark of the Beast?" Seriously...wtf does that do for anyone, it's frankly ape feces.

If you dont believe...that's fine.
Does that justify bashing somebody else for believing it?

NO

That is religeous persecution.
Religeous persecution is illegal in our society; therefore, should be off limits.

 

[familydog]

Ironic, just look at the post previous to yours.

Ironic, you who goes around the forum challening people to honest and intellectual debates, deflects the accusation. There is enough fear mongering to go around, it does not just stop at you.

There is a term for people like you. Fire and brimstone athiests. An athiest who goes beyond explaining his beliefs, but one who preaches the end of the world if someone religious gets into position of power. It's not an attack on atheism, but an attack on what you spout. I don't need to point out Christian fear mongering, you do it well enough.

Watch out Kade, don't get too cllose. You might catch my Jesus cooties!

 

[Kade]

I suppose that question, will be for historians to decide.

Because 2,000 years isn't enough.

Mark 13:30 "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."

 

[Dr.3D]

Please people, let's not go around trying to promote arguments.

Always promote peace.

 

[Kade]

Ironic, you who goes around the forum challening people to honest and intellectual debates, deflects the accusation. There is enough fear mongering to go around, it does not just stop at you.

There is a term for people like you. Fire and brimstone athiests. An athiest who goes beyond explaining his beliefs, but one who preaches the end of the world if someone religious gets into position of power. It's not an attack on atheism, but an attack on what you spout. I don't need to point out Christian fear mongering, you do it well enough.

Watch out Kade, don't get too cllose. You might catch my Jesus cooties!

You are a purveyor of lies and you aware of that... You know what you say is lie, what trust can anyone put on you who claim a faith against such a thing?

You don't know what I believe...nor do you care. Hellfire, eternal damnation, Christian nationhood... these things are fear mongering, but not from my side... people on these boards use them... openly.

I respond openly to what I am against.

I am not against Christianity, or Christians, I don't care what you people believe. I care what laws you want to make, I care what you want to have taught to my kids, I care what you threaten my way of life with...

If I have to reason with you to see that other views exist, and that maybe yours isn't 100% correct, than your mind might be changed, and you might not be one of the people who would never vote for an atheist, never use the word atheist as an insult to someone, or show the kind of rampant intolerance demonstrated by so many here.

 

[Kade]

If you dont believe...that's fine.
Does that justify bashing somebody else for believing it?

NO

That is religeous persecution.
Religeous persecution is illegal in our society; therefore, should be off limits.

You have no idea what religious persecution is... how fucking dare you.

There is real persecution in this country, from all groups of people. It is bred of intolerance and hate and misunderstanding. That you question my right to speak my mind and equate with such brutality is ostensibly offensive.

 

[Dr.3D]

Because 2,000 years isn't enough.

Mark 13:30 "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."

How do you know the generation He was talking about is not this one?
He was talking about the end times.
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Mark 13:28-31 28 " Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 "So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is near -- at the doors! 30 "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
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Notice the context, I have bolded the words showing what generation He was talking about.

 

[Kade]

How do you know the generation He was talking about is not this one?
He was talking about the end times.
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Mark 13:28-31 28 " Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 "So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is near -- at the doors! 30 "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
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Notice the context, I have bolded the words showing what generation He was talking about.

Because he was talking to his disciples specifically. Because it's ambiguous. And mostly because it's no different than Nostradamus and the vagueness associated with claims that could extend to any period of time...

Again, this was 2,000 years ago... that is hundreds of generations ago.

 

[Dr.3D]

Because he was talking to his disciples specifically. Because it's ambiguous. And mostly because it's no different than Nostradamus and the vagueness associated with claims that could extend to any period of time...

Again, this was 2,000 years ago... that is hundreds of generations ago.

True!
But unlike Nostradamus who wrote not quite so many years ago, all of the prophecy written in the Bible so many more years ago, to date have come true.

I know some would argue this point and I honor their argument.
I just stated why I contend it to be the truth.

 

[sophocles07]

That is religeous persecution.
Religeous persecution is illegal in our society; therefore, should be off limits.

Go send Bill O'Reilly an email or call into Sean Hannity's radio show you cry
baby

 

[sophocles07]

But unlike Nostradamus who wrote not quite so many years ago, all of the prophecy written in the Bible so many more years ago, to date have come true.

I don't understand this sentence. What prophecy has come true specifically? I don't want quotes about white horses or vague lands of evil or blah blah blah as an answer.

 

[Dr.3D]

Why all the stone throwing?
I see no need for it in a discussion.

 

[Kade]

True!
But unlike Nostradamus who wrote not quite so many years ago, all of the prophecy written in the Bible so many more years ago, to date have come true.

I know some would argue this point and I honor their argument.
I just stated why I contend it to be the truth.

I don't want to get into this... this is just patently false...

Most of the so called prophecies were written after the fact... anything afterward is just plain insane. Nothing specific is mentioned or proven true... nothing after the time it was written.

How many times does the bible say that "The day of the LORD is at hand." or "The great day of the LORD is near."

Or this: "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"

Yea. That didn't work.

Or how about Tyre? Wasn't that prophesied to be destroyed?

Or this: 0:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

This: 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Or this epic piece: 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

That didn't happen.

 

[familydog]

You are a purveyor of lies and you aware of that... You know what you say is lie, what trust can anyone put on you who claim a faith against such a thing?

You don't know what I believe...nor do you care. Hellfire, eternal damnation, Christian nationhood... these things are fear mongering, but not from my side... people on these boards use them... openly.

I respond openly to what I am against.

I am not against Christianity, or Christians, I don't care what you people believe. I care what laws you want to make, I care what you want to have taught to my kids, I care what you threaten my way of life with...

If I have to reason with you to see that other views exist, and that maybe yours isn't 100% correct, than your mind might be changed, and you might not be one of the people who would never vote for an atheist, never use the word atheist as an insult to someone, or show the kind of rampant intolerance demonstrated by so many here.

What lies have I told? Be specific.

I do know what you believe, you say it all the time in your posts. You are saying your opinion, thus, I know what you believe.

I think that is awsome you talk openly about what you believe and I wasn't attacking that. I was simply pointing out that the way you present your beleifs make you seem like you have religious phobia, and by statements you make like the one I pointed out when I said you were fear mongering, makes your arguments have about as much credibility as the ones you attack as fear mongering.

How was me pointing out our Christian nationhood fear mongering? I used research to back up my claims. You never refuted them or even responded. If you think I am wrong, please respond with your own research to refute mine so we can have an open, honest, and intellectual debate. Instead you ignore it and call it fear mongering.

You go around accusing other people of being collectivist, but you say "you people." Funny. You also lump me in with a group of people who can't think for themselves just because I am religious, yet you have no evidence that I can't think for myself. In fact, should I link you the debate we had about atheism being a religion, and religion being taught in school? I am a devout Catholic, yet I didn't fit into your stereotype. Sorry to burst your bubble. "If I have to reason with you..." Your arrogance is astounding.