Why so few Christians joining fight against The Mark?

There will be no new Temple, and no sacrifices given. JESUS was the final sacrifice. His sacrifice smoothed God's wrinkled brow so to speak. Do you really think the blood of bulls or goats sacrificed in a newly built Temple would please God after the ultimate sacrifice has been made? It would be an affront to Him.

The people who will be doing the "sacraficing" don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, therefore, they don't believe he was sacraficed for them.

Daniel 12:11 "And from the time that the daily sacrafice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days."

If we read Daniel 12:11 correctly, then do we think of a day as being a year?

If so, then in the year 70 CE, the temple was destroyed and the sacrificing was ended. If we then add 1290 years to that, we come up with the year 1360.

What happened in the year 1360?

Or are we talking about the years between 538-1798?
 
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So what you are telling us then, is that your argument basically boils down to "big thighs and butt cheeks?"

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Gunny Freedom....

We could be friends!

The only thing that works, in my experience, it either ignoring them entirely, or allowing them to hang themselves on their own words to the point that they make themselves look foolish enough that they cut their losses and run.

I have Sophocles on my "Ignore" list. However, I must admit that from time to time my curiousity gets the best of me and I have to peek at what he/she has written.

I saw the "BIG THIGHS" reference :eek:! Sticks and stones, O Sophocles.....
 
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This is taken from: http://www.americanvision.org/articlearchive/02-22-05.asp

In John 11:1, John is told to measure the temple. Since the temple was destroyed in A.D. 70, this must be the temple before it was destroyed. This means that Revelation was written prior to the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70. The burden of proof is on those who claim this is a reference to a rebuilt temple. There is not a single verse in the NT that says anything about a rebuilt temple. Yes, the OT does refer to a rebuilt temple. That temple was rebuilt (see Ezra and Nehemiah). The temple that Jesus said would be destroyed— “not one stone left upon another” (24:2)—was a rebuilt temple. In order for there to be another rebuilt temple, the NT would have to say something about it. It doesn’t.
 
Instead of 'more convincing' don't you mean 'less annoying'? ;)

Militant anti-theosophists like them are not content with mere disbelief, or even with stating their disbelief. They are so threatened by the possibility of God, that they feel compelled to go out of their way to actually attack, with all possible alacrity, any mere mention of theology to satisfy some deep insatiable need.

Most psychologists would postulate that this stems from some deeply set insecurity with regards to religion. There are any number of reasons this could have happened. Overbearing religious parents who demand that their children pay homage to a God in which they do not believe, or even from some kind of abuse on the part of a priest, rabbi, or pastor.

Regardless of why they do it, it is important for us to recognize that it is a compulsion over which they have little or no control. You may as well tell a river to stop flowing. Only when the actual insecurity driving the compulsion is addressed can they actually become rational on the subject, and most people in such circumstance (once the insecurity is resolved) simply avoid the subject for the rest of their lives.

The basic truth we must recognize here, is that a whole lot of abuse has been perpetrated against people in the name of religion. You and I know that those who would abuse others in the name of religion do not hold the faith in truth, but with a lack of true knowledge merely parroting the words of those who have come before them. They create an appearance of religious asceticism, without any actual denial of the preeminence of the physical realm. Those who would abuse others in the name of God, are directly responsible for the majority of militant anti-theosophists in the world today.

It is important, then, to understand the compulsions driving this behavior and acknowledge (at least to ourselves) why it is that they attack us. By doing so, we come to the realization that no amount of reason or rationale will sway such people in the slightest. They are on a mission, and that mission is to derogate religion at all costs!

On the internet, they seem a lot more prevalent than they are in the rest of the world. I believe that this is because they are able to hide behind a keyboard to launch their attacks. People like this are as common as sand on Christian forums throughout the Internet, on usenet, on boards, blogs, everywhere. Reverse psychology does not work. Preventing their amusement does not work. The only thing that works, in my experience, it either ignoring them entirely, or allowing them to hang themselves on their own words to the point that they make themselves look foolish enough that they cut their losses and run.

The bottom line is, get used to them. They appear anywhere faith, and particularly Christianity, is discussed online. They are as prevalent as jungle-rot in Vietnam. The only way you will ever find a place to discuss Christianity online without their interference, is through the intercession of a heavy handed moderator. An apt analogy is, if you are a pet lover with lots of animals, then you will have to deal with fleas. There are measures you can take to reduce that annoyance, but you can never remove it completely.

I am not afraid of things that do not exist. I am afraid of people like you, and Macon, and Theocrat. I am afraid of those that rule people without the ability to think for themselves, and guide them, like a horde of zombies, against people not like them. I wish there were a god, I imagine the kind of rampant ignorance, destruction of lives, absolute intolerance, and hatred prevailing through humanity would not exist.
 
I am not afraid of things that do not exist. I am afraid of people like you, and Macon, and Theocrat. I am afraid of those that rule people without the ability to think for themselves, and guide them, like a horde of zombies, against people not like them. I wish there were a god, I imagine the kind of rampant ignorance, destruction of lives, absolute intolerance, and hatred prevailing through humanity would not exist.

Don't worry, that day will come very soon. You see, there is a God and He is coming back and He is pissed.
 
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I am not afraid of things that do not exist. I am afraid of people like you, and Macon, and Theocrat. I am afraid of those that rule people without the ability to think for themselves, and guide them, like a horde of zombies, against people not like them. I wish there were a god, I imagine the kind of rampant ignorance, destruction of lives, absolute intolerance, and hatred prevailing through humanity would not exist.

Fear mongering is a powerful tactic my friend, and you have mastered it.
 
Don't worry, that day will come very soon. You see, there is a God and He is coming back and He is pissed.

Understatement of the year, Dr. 3D, understatement of the year....

I might add that I wholeheartedly agree.
 
I am not afraid of things that do not exist. I am afraid of people like you, and Macon, and Theocrat. I am afraid of those that rule people without the ability to think for themselves, and guide them, like a horde of zombies, against people not like them. I wish there were a god, I imagine the kind of rampant ignorance, destruction of lives, absolute intolerance, and hatred prevailing through humanity would not exist.

What delusion has possessed you to believe that I do not think for myself? Have I given any indication of being a shill for the CFR, Big Oil, or AIPAC? The very beauty of the Christian God is that He is personal, an individual path, and any indication of "gropupthink' is the first indication that something has gone off the map.

Were the 12 Apostles group-thinkers? heh, right. And they are our model.

Instead, we share a common Spirit, with whom we each commune in the most individual manner. When we see these agree with those in the world around us, the touch of the Spirit is confirmed. And so, Christians communicate on a level which you can not comprehend, lacking the Spirit from which it erupts.

And then, what you do not comprehend, you hold in contempt. Spit on it even. By all means brother, it's your right of free will! :)
 
What delusion has possessed you to believe that I do not think for myself? Have I given any indication of being a shill for the CFR, Big Oil, or AIPAC? The very beauty of the Christian God is that He is personal, an individual path, and any indication of "gropupthink' is the first indication that something has gone off the map.

Were the 12 Apostles group-thinkers? heh, right. And they are our model.

Instead, we share a common Spirit, with whom we each commune in the most individual manner. When we see these agree with those in the world around us, the touch of the Spirit is confirmed. And so, Christians communicate on a level which you can not comprehend, lacking the Spirit from which it erupts.

And then, what you do not comprehend, you hold in contempt. Spit on it even. By all means brother, it's your right of free will! :)


So, your entire point, the entirety of your rationale comes to the epic conclusion that because you converse with ghosts, that you somehow are an expert on these matters?
 
So, your entire point, the entirety of your rationale comes to the epic conclusion that because you converse with ghosts, that you somehow are an expert on these matters?

Not ghosts, but one spirit.... and it is not converse with, but actually being guided by said spirit. The Holy Spirit is an attitude. It is the spirit of God.
 
Not ghosts, but one spirit.... and it is not converse with, but actually being guided by said spirit. The Holy Spirit is an attitude. It is the spirit of God.

Alright, so you go beyond conversing and actually listen to the advice of this ghost?

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Alright, so you go beyond conversing and actually listen to the advice of this ghost?

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Love your cartoons.... LOL

Actually, as I said before, and you didn't notice.... it is not a ghost but a spirit.
A spirit is an attitude.

You have an attitude.
 
Love your cartoons.... LOL

Actually, as I said before, and you didn't notice.... it is not a ghost but a spirit.
A spirit is an attitude.

You have an attitude.

My attitude is that of righteous rational indignation.

Spirits, demons, ghosts, werewolves, pumpkin-headed men, fairies, gods, easter bunnies, santa, and other make believe legends and myths are not something we should be encouraging as an "attitude" one should publicly profess beyond a certain age.
 
Uh...people...not to be a buzzkill, but isn't this the Ron Paul Forums?

Is this infighting providing any positive results for Ron Paul or
the message of freedom in the United States of America?

How about a collective agreement from both sides...
Agree to disagree, believe or not believe, worship the door knob or the image of Christianity, pray or meditate or just get high and imagine you are in the presence of God.

The argument is pretty much irrelevant...

One of our members asked a few legitimate questions
What do *you* think? Is Real ID the Mark of the Beast? A precursor to it? A bad thing? A good thing?

Is the hijacking of the thread to make somebody admit defeat and that your ideology is supreme necessary?

Is there anything that we can do to be more productive in our effort to correct our wayward government?

The point is that we are FREE to choose what we believe by living in this country.
That freedom is being eroded and we are supposed to be working together to make sure that does NOT happen.

Right?


All that said...how about we agree to letting people believe whatever they wish without persecution and get back to work getting our government back on track.

just a thought...
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