Why is the religion that you practice superior to all other religions?

They are the original texts, as I said they are the first. The Qur'an wasn't revealed in text format, the text format came later. The Qur'ans Uthman replaced were Qur'ans in different dialects, so returned them to the original dialect of the Quraysh which was the original revelation. Because of the Status of Uthman in Islam, he very much is an authority what he puts on paper about Islam is an original Islamic text unlike if it had come generations later.

There is overwhelming evidence for textual variation in the Koran. I will leave it up to people here to make their own decision about it:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/
 
There is overwhelming evidence for textual variation in the Koran. I will leave it up to people here to make their own decision about it:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/

Answering Islam's claims are refuted in literally hundreds of articles on Answering-Christianity.

www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm (the sites down, but I'm sure it'll be up soon I use their Quran searcher daily).

And there's a ton of stuff on Islamic awareness regarding the old manuscripts http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/

Answering Islam's team arent exactly linguistic experts, there's not "overwhelming evidence" whatsoever because there's not a single piece of evidence from it there's not a single Quran which has something radically different written in it from another; so if you're going to make extraordinary claims, you're going to need extraordinary evidence and not just post links because I can do the same.
 
Interesting thread. What comes to my mind is that the bulk of us are debating written texts and external data basically. Our "Gnostic Christian" friend (quote tags not used in a negative light) rightly pointed out that the Kingdom of the Most High God is in you.. and I would add that *if* you are one of His people, then The Kingdom is within you...

I would point out that (in my experience) the Christian Bible doesn't tell so much how to be a "Christian" as it does confirm who you are - if you really are one. A true convert of Christ Jesus, the son of the God of Issac, Abraham and Jacob... will be a living epistle, a living example of what the Bible relays to us about being one of His.

It seems this is where the Christian Faith differs from all others (so far as I know). Christ Jesus will change you.. not you changing yourself.. and the result of it is freely evident in the life of a believer.

Knowing God is vastly different than knowing about God. jus' sayin'
 
Christianity without all the baggage.

Treat people as you would like to be treated.
Love God.
Understand that we all have free will, and that we will not accomplish the first two 100%.
Be thankful that God loves us any way.
Be motivated by that to do better than you were.

You can go a lot of directions from there. Be honest with yourself and desire truth and I believe you will find it.
 
I don't think my religion is "better" or "truer" than anyone else's religion...I just follow it because it's right for me.
 
Right. So you're saying the Bible is the Word of God because the Bible says so.

That's not the only reason, but it is one of the reasons. There is no higher authority than God's own self-disclosure. It would be ridiculous for me to try to prove that the Bible is true externally if the Creator of the universe already says it is...so I don't have to prove it beyond what God says about it.

The Holy Spirit regenerated my heart and opened my eyes to see that it was true. He hasn't opened your eyes, so that is why you think it is just nonsense. There is that personal element to the equation as well.
 
That's not the only reason, but it is one of the reasons. There is no higher authority than God's own self-disclosure. It would be ridiculous for me to try to prove that the Bible is true externally if the Creator of the universe already says it is...so I don't have to prove it beyond what God says about it.

The Holy Spirit regenerated my heart and opened my eyes to see that it was true. He hasn't opened your eyes, so that is why you think it is just nonsense. There is that personal element to the equation as well.

AB, do you believe that no matter what you do from now until the rest of your life that you are going to Heaven?
 
AB, do you believe that no matter what you do from now until the rest of your life that you are going to Heaven?


No. I must prove my calling and election:

2 Peter 1:10 NLT

So, dear brothers and sisters, work hard to prove that you really are among those God has called and chosen. Do these things, and you will never fall away.


If I fall away from the faith, it is because I was never chosen in the first place:
1 John 2:19 NIV

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
 
If I fall away from the faith, it is because I was never chosen in the first place:

so if you end up not going to heaven for the evils you do, it is because of God. In otherwords, you blame God if you don't make it into heaven. AB, your theology is twisted and not at all consistent with the orthodox Christianity. Please repent and humble yourself and stop blaming God for the evils in the world.
 
so if you end up not going to heaven for the evils you do, it is because of God.

I'm not getting that at all from what AB writes. It appears more that he is saying, "only the chosen will choose the right path."
 
I'm not getting that at all from what AB writes. It appears more that he is saying, "only the chosen will choose the right path."

Yes. Because we are dead in sin, God must make us alive and give us the power to believe. We cannot do this on our own. Left to our own nature, we will always never choose God. God must take out our heart of stone and put in a heart of flesh to believe. We are saved by grace, not anything within ourselves.
 
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I'm not getting that at all from what AB writes. It appears more that he is saying, "only the chosen will choose the right path."

However, it is exactly where his theology leads, that those who chose the wrong path, it wasn't on account of their own decisions or will but on the decision and will of God that they choose evil and not be chosen as the elect. It is a heretical teachings which is the reason why atheism has spread like wild fire in the world, because it make Gods out to by a blood thirsty tyrant Who created human robots which He has created in order to cast into hell. Exactly against what Christ came to reveal to the world, that whoever comes to God with a humble and contrite heart AND FOLLOWS His commandments to love, they will find mercy and salvation. For "love will cover a multitudes of sins" (1 Peter 4:8).
 
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Yes. Because we are dead in sin, God must make us alive and give us the power to believe. We cannot do this on our own. Left to our own nature, we will always never choose God. God must take out our a heart of stone and put in a heart if flesh to believe. We are saved by grace, not anything within ourselves.

AB, stop blaming God for the evils you do and own up to them. You making God the scape goat for the evils you do will be a losing defense before the Judgment Seat of Christ.
 
so if you end up not going to heaven for the evils you do, it is because of God. In otherwords, you blame God if you don't make it into heaven. AB, your theology is twisted and not at all consistent with the orthodox Christianity. Please repent and humble yourself and stop blaming God for the evils in the world.

I don't blame God if I am not saved, because God is not required to show mercy to me. God would be absolutely just in never showing His mercy to any rebel sinner.

I mean....how you think this is twisted is beyond me. This is what the Bible teaches in Romans 9 for example.
 
AB, stop blaming God for the evils you do and own up to them. You making God the scape goat for the evils you do will be a losing defense before the Judgment Seat of Christ.

The responsibility for the evil of men is theirs alone, because God makes us responsible.
 
I don't blame God if I am not saved, because God is not required to show mercy to me. God would be absolutely just in never showing His mercy to any rebel sinner.

I mean....how you think this is twisted is beyond me. This is what the Bible teaches in Romans 9 for example.

Your linguistic gymnastics do not impress me and your contradictory statements are the fruits of your twisted theology, blaming God for the evil in one breath and then blaming it on man in the next. These innovative, progressive, alternative and contradictory doctrines express a faith which assigns blame upon God, and you should repent and seek mercy for the sins you do.
 
However, it is exactly where his theology leads, that those who chose the wrong path, it wasn't on account of their own decisions or will but on the decision and will of God that they choose evil and not be chosen as the elect. (1 Peter 4:8).

Yes, that's right. Salvation is dependent on God's will, not man's:

Romans 9:14-16 NIV

What then shall we say? Is God unjust?

Not at all! For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God's mercy.


How can you not see this???
 
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